new cycle start date question

cagedthought · 12-07-2003, 07:21 PM

Im currently ending my first cycle of deca and entat. I was wondering how long i should wait until i start another cycle just like this one? also would it be best to do one month at a time when on a cycle due to the fact that your body becomes imune to it. please let me any thoughts and information would be greatly appreciated.

**Mudge** · 12-07-2003, 07:23 PM

Immune to what? It is not a disease you are injecting, there is no receptor site saturation otherwise there would not be year round users.

When you feel recouperated, jump back on.

A.B · 12-19-2003, 09:41 AM

the rule i used to go by: time on= time off.

Flex · 12-19-2003, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by A.B
the rule i used to go by: time on= time off.

but i have a question...
i know for an 8wk cycle, you take 8 weeks off.

so for instance, if i finished my cycle yesterday (which i did

) then wait 3 weeks to start PCT, which lasts another 3 weeks. does the PCT count as time "off"?

then when would it be ok to start up again after an 8wk cycle w/3 weeks of "waiting period" and another 3 weeks of PCT?

A.B · 12-19-2003, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Flex
does the PCT count as time "off"?

yes it does.

it depends on the half life of the steroid when you start PCT though.

**Mudge** · 12-19-2003, 11:43 AM

Not everyone counts it as time off, and until it begins that is counted as time on.

8 week cycle, 2 weeks cruise with no shots = 10 week cycle, this is because it takes that long for the HL of the drug to die down to even allow for PCT.

But not everyone looks at things the same, and seriously you aren't going to find people on 6-18 month cycles taking 6-18 months off.

**dg806** · 12-19-2003, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Flex

does the PCT count as time "off"?

I say no. With some OTC products that people take for PH's, they act as a mild androgen. Thus there is still some suppression. I say wait till PC is over and then count.

**dg806** · 12-19-2003, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
there is no receptor site saturation otherwise there would not be year round users.

When you feel recouperated, jump back on.

Interesting! I have always thought there was and have heard others say the same. I believe you can stay on cycle, but will not receive any additional benefit past a certain dosage over a period of time.

**Mudge** · 12-19-2003, 12:49 PM

When free testosterone and estrogen levels go whack yes, and of course at some point a certain dose wont do anything for you. If receptor saturation existed, upping the dose would do nothing but give more sides, which would put us at the point where it would be impossible for the pros to get any bigger, which obviously they are.

I know of someone 5'11", and at 10% bodyfat he was 270 pounds, on 1.2 grams of EQ and test weekly. The longer someone stays on, the more the slow gains will keep coming.

According to the doctors there is no downregulation, and there is actual creation of new receptor sites.

**dg806** · 12-19-2003, 01:37 PM

There are many taking M 1-T now that get no additional benefit from 20 or 30mg over 10mg-just more sides. Are you saying this may be true and they just need to stay on longer to keep getting benefits?

**Mudge** · 12-19-2003, 04:10 PM

There is only so much substance a person can use, eventually a larger person would in theory need more - a partial alternative is staying on longer. However, generally people will eventually need to dose up more.

I'm going to give M1T a try since I hear such rave reviews on it, just ordered today.

At some point a person is not going to be making consistent, large keepable gains on mere 8-12 week cycles and taking off months at a time.

12-07-2003, 07:21 PM	#1
cagedthought Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ca Posts: 20	new cycle start date question Im currently ending my first cycle of deca and entat. I was wondering how long i should wait until i start another cycle just like this one? also would it be best to do one month at a time when on a cycle due to the fact that your body becomes imune to it. please let me any thoughts and information would be greatly appreciated.

12-07-2003, 07:23 PM	#2
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Immune to what? It is not a disease you are injecting, there is no receptor site saturation otherwise there would not be year round users. When you feel recouperated, jump back on.
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12-19-2003, 09:41 AM	#3
A.B IFBB Professional Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 48	the rule i used to go by: time on= time off.
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12-19-2003, 11:43 AM	#6
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Not everyone counts it as time off, and until it begins that is counted as time on. 8 week cycle, 2 weeks cruise with no shots = 10 week cycle, this is because it takes that long for the HL of the drug to die down to even allow for PCT. But not everyone looks at things the same, and seriously you aren't going to find people on 6-18 month cycles taking 6-18 months off.
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12-19-2003, 01:37 PM	#10
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,439	There are many taking M 1-T now that get no additional benefit from 20 or 30mg over 10mg-just more sides. Are you saying this may be true and they just need to stay on longer to keep getting benefits?
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12-19-2003, 12:49 PM	#9
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	When free testosterone and estrogen levels go whack yes, and of course at some point a certain dose wont do anything for you. If receptor saturation existed, upping the dose would do nothing but give more sides, which would put us at the point where it would be impossible for the pros to get any bigger, which obviously they are. I know of someone 5'11", and at 10% bodyfat he was 270 pounds, on 1.2 grams of EQ and test weekly. The longer someone stays on, the more the slow gains will keep coming. According to the doctors there is no downregulation, and there is actual creation of new receptor sites.

12-19-2003, 04:10 PM	#11
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	There is only so much substance a person can use, eventually a larger person would in theory need more - a partial alternative is staying on longer. However, generally people will eventually need to dose up more. I'm going to give M1T a try since I hear such rave reviews on it, just ordered today. At some point a person is not going to be making consistent, large keepable gains on mere 8-12 week cycles and taking off months at a time.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

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