Tendon health

**Mudge** · 12-14-2003, 12:37 PM

The idea is that it is simply most effective when direct, like many things.

redwine · 01-10-2005, 02:58 AM

I was using small amounts(250-200 mg) of enenthate every 7-10 days..think I may have snapped a tendon or two during this time..what is better between Eqiupoise/Winstrol for building tendons/collagen and which is better for sperm?...

redwine · 01-10-2005, 03:05 AM

I was using small amounts(200-250 enanthate every 7-10 days),and at this time I believe I snapped one or two tendons...what is better for rebuilding collagen/tendons and why?.....and regards to sperm/natural testosterone production anybody know?

LAM · 01-10-2005, 08:28 AM

that is a easy question to answer.

winstrol dramatically increase collagen synthesis but it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, you end up with a larger but much weaker tendon. while equipoise (anavar, primobolan and Long R3 IGF-1) will increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass density.

EQ all the way !

**Mudge** · 01-10-2005, 09:20 AM

Steroids suppress LH and FSH, they do not increase it. That is what your post cycle is for.

19-chief · 01-10-2005, 10:30 AM

ok, so if my 1st aas cycle is fast approaching can you guys point to any particular threads or articles that pertain to training while on aas' to avoid tendon/ ligament damage yet maximize hypertrophy? the levels i will be taking are higher than mudge's perameters for therapy... 500mg/wk test e, 400mg/wk eq, and 60mg/ed m5aa the last 4-5 weeks.

**Pirate!** · 01-10-2005, 11:16 AM

Thanks Mudge! This is a topic that I have been thinking about a lot. I tore a tendon almost all the way off my pelvis doing leg press with my normal weight. Never even knew it was coming. I'm sure my tendons were weakened due to the 1-ad and test cyp I had been using during the preceding months. My only concern going into my current cycle was not tearing a tendon again. All I am using now is sustanon 500/week, but as I go up in weight I fear that I might do damage. I plan to use deca the next time around, and I'm sure I will always include one of these that increase collagen synthesis and integrity. Anyway, this was just the info I was looking for.

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Originally Posted by Mudge

While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times

Is this possible? 50 times as in a 5,000% increase?

**Mudge** · 01-10-2005, 01:18 PM

I think most of it comes from genetics and training habits. Nandi may have some stuff over at CEM about it, dont know off hand.

If you do not currently take glucosamine or glucosamine/chondroitin I'd probably start, its not that expensive.

19-chief · 01-10-2005, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

I think most of it comes from genetics and training habits. Nandi may have some stuff over at CEM about it, dont know off hand.

If you do not currently take glucosamine or glucosamine/chondroitin I'd probably start, its not that expensive.

thanks. i'll check. and oh yeah, i take 1500mg/ED w/ my pwo shake.

redwine · 01-12-2005, 12:32 AM

I tried the link above to buy Adequan...some guy named "hector" sent me e-mail saying I needed to get Prescription for Adequan...called 4-5 vets in my area none will write prescription for it..how do you get it?..it seems to actually heal not just mask the pain!

**Mudge** · 01-12-2005, 12:23 PM

You obviously need a prescription, or an illegal method of obtaining it in which case dont ask here for help doing that. This is a place for information on substances, but not neccessarily how to break the law to obtain it.

**Pirate!** · 06-26-2005, 08:59 AM

I'm bumping an old thread here, but it is a great topic. I'm curious about how tren affects connective tissue. I'm guessing the rapid increase in strength might be detrimental to tendons, but I haven't really been able to find info on this.

Are there any studies showing the effects of trenbolone on collagen synthesis that someone has reference to?

**Mudge** · 06-26-2005, 11:52 AM

I dont think anyone cares about collagen synthesis in cattle honestly, but I could be wrong. Remember they are only administered tren for a short while before the slaughter.

**Pirate!** · 06-26-2005, 02:50 PM

Well, I figured there wouldn't be many studies on how tren affects humans, but it never hurts to ask.

Du · 06-26-2005, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

I dont think anyone cares about collagen synthesis in cattle honestly, but I could be wrong. Remember they are only administered tren for a short while before the slaughter.

I dont think anyone cares about collagen synthesis in animals while on deca or EQ either, but those results are widely known. Why is that?

**Mudge** · 06-26-2005, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Well, I figured there wouldn't be many studies on how tren affects humans, but it never hurts to ask.

Other than finaject it has only been marketed as pellets, and animal orals. I think there are 2 or 3 studies on tren in humans, but I've never seen them, and I doubt it covers anything like that.

**Mudge** · 06-26-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by du510

I dont think anyone cares about collagen synthesis in animals while on deca or EQ either, but those results are widely known. Why is that?

Sometimes animals are used as test subjects and we hope that results will mirror those results in humans, but in certain situations we know this is not the case and there is no substitute for a human subject.

Tough Old Man · 06-26-2005, 08:17 PM

Mudge what do you feel would be the better choice of steroid for the older who use it for HRT and have tendon problems. Also At what dosage would you recommend?

Thank you for such a great post.
PT

kxf · 10-15-2007, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rock4832

I work in a hospital. If I get the stuff, i have plenty of people to inject it.

No need to site inject, it is strickly i.m., (intramuscular)
it will gravitate to the injured site.
Do not inject in your joint capsule, the risk of infection is not worth the reward.

12-14-2003, 12:37 PM	#31
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01-10-2005, 02:58 AM	#32
redwine Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5	Equpoise Vs. Winstrol For Tendons? I was using small amounts(250-200 mg) of enenthate every 7-10 days..think I may have snapped a tendon or two during this time..what is better between Eqiupoise/Winstrol for building tendons/collagen and which is better for sperm?...
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01-10-2005, 03:05 AM	#33
redwine Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5	Winstrol VS Equipoise for LIGAMENTS I was using small amounts(200-250 enanthate every 7-10 days),and at this time I believe I snapped one or two tendons...what is better for rebuilding collagen/tendons and why?.....and regards to sperm/natural testosterone production anybody know?
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01-10-2005, 08:28 AM	#34
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	that is a easy question to answer. winstrol dramatically increase collagen synthesis but it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, you end up with a larger but much weaker tendon. while equipoise (anavar, primobolan and Long R3 IGF-1) will increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass density. EQ all the way !
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01-10-2005, 09:20 AM	#35
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Steroids suppress LH and FSH, they do not increase it. That is what your post cycle is for.
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01-10-2005, 10:30 AM	#36
19-chief Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: south eastern us Posts: 854 Photos: 4	ok, so if my 1st aas cycle is fast approaching can you guys point to any particular threads or articles that pertain to training while on aas' to avoid tendon/ ligament damage yet maximize hypertrophy? the levels i will be taking are higher than mudge's perameters for therapy... 500mg/wk test e, 400mg/wk eq, and 60mg/ed m5aa the last 4-5 weeks.
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01-10-2005, 01:18 PM	#38
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I think most of it comes from genetics and training habits. Nandi may have some stuff over at CEM about it, dont know off hand. If you do not currently take glucosamine or glucosamine/chondroitin I'd probably start, its not that expensive.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-12-2005, 12:32 AM	#40
redwine Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5	Adequan I tried the link above to buy Adequan...some guy named "hector" sent me e-mail saying I needed to get Prescription for Adequan...called 4-5 vets in my area none will write prescription for it..how do you get it?..it seems to actually heal not just mask the pain!
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01-12-2005, 12:23 PM	#41
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	You obviously need a prescription, or an illegal method of obtaining it in which case dont ask here for help doing that. This is a place for information on substances, but not neccessarily how to break the law to obtain it.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

06-26-2005, 11:52 AM	#43
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I dont think anyone cares about collagen synthesis in cattle honestly, but I could be wrong. Remember they are only administered tren for a short while before the slaughter.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

06-26-2005, 08:17 PM	#48
Tough Old Man Canine club CEO Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: baja calif, Mexico Posts: 6,933 Photos: 1	Mudge what do you feel would be the better choice of steroid for the older who use it for HRT and have tendon problems. Also At what dosage would you recommend? Thank you for such a great post. PT

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