Is Quality Vet REALLY quality???

GodlyBODY · 12-21-2003, 11:03 PM

I recently ran a cycle with doses most of you would consider high. 1600 mgs test 600 mgs deca weekly. Also d-bol, anadrol front loaded for 4 weeks. I was less then impressed with my results. a couple of years ago QV was the way to go. Now i am not so sure, anybody else had less then spectacular results with QV new products?

**Mudge** · 12-22-2003, 01:20 AM

More and more people are disliking QV now, it all started with the 50ml jug of enanthate, now the cypionate and others have been accused of being painfull and underdosed.

GodlyBODY · 12-22-2003, 01:22 AM

i had the 50mg jug of enanthate in that mix. Any new companies out there making good shit (since they all do at first) so i dont have to buy this underdosed crap?

prolangtum · 12-22-2003, 01:27 AM

QV has gone downhill so quick it is not even funny. As far as vet roids, Syd group looks promising, and Denkall is always quality. Or you could always go Euro, you cant go wrong with ICNs or Testex.

GodlyBODY · 12-22-2003, 01:29 AM

denkall is qv sister company. I dont like denkall either. Syd- do you mean out of Australia?

**Mudge** · 12-22-2003, 01:30 AM

I prefer underground these days. QV seemed to go downhill when the Ttokkyo BS happened, and that was awhile back. Around that time people started complaining about the jugs and pain, mine didn't bother me.

prolangtum · 12-22-2003, 01:31 AM

actually that is a common myth, QV is not Denkall's sister company, I know of a reliable source in MX who verified this for me.

GodlyBODY · 12-22-2003, 01:37 AM

Can you give me names of underground companies that you trust mudge? I cant trust anything in tha game anymore

**Mudge** · 12-22-2003, 01:39 AM

I was about to try some RT but he (Jared) as of today was labled scammer. I primarily use PL, if you dont know who I'm talking about you'd have to email me as these guys want thier full names off the boards generally.

prolangtum · 12-22-2003, 10:03 AM

Mudge, PL-high mg/ml gear? Are we thinking about the same guy?

**Mudge** · 12-22-2003, 11:41 AM

You know it. As for high mg/ml, I dont like it, other than shipping package size. I cut that stuff in half.

I made the mistake, twice, of shooting 1cc 400mg/ml cyp (DL, the now prohormone DL), and PL 500mg/ml enan in my quads. Both times left me practically disabled for a week. I dont know why I tried it a second time nearly a year later with my first experience being what it was, stupid.

crackerjack414 · 12-22-2003, 02:22 PM

i used alot of pl gear and his previous name iam senstive to high mg/ ml gear i had to cut it the eth with tren to keep the pain down

Power Rabbit · 12-22-2003, 02:29 PM

How do u cut gear in half exactly??? add oil????? Kind of a dumb question, but Im a pretty stupid guy.

**Mudge** · 12-22-2003, 02:39 PM

Couple ways to do it, you buy what is called sterile oil or cutting oil (sterilized oil).

You can either pull in 1/2cc of each, then pull in 1cc or so of air, and turn the pin over and over letting the air bubble mix the goods up a bit. Or buy a sterile vial with a stopper on it already (or buy the full crimper kit etc), and then mix it all together.

I like to have sterile vials around to mix my stuff up ahead of time when I am injecting two substances or cutting a large amount of high mg/ml test or whatever. PL does now offer though a low mg/ml line, some of the items are priced higher though.

This is also very handy for re-adjusting the potency of your gear in other than 50% denominations.

Like for example, 200mg/ml prop which I was just using (cut in half though, easy). If I wanted to shoot daily, but wanted 75mg/ml, I could take 5cc of this 200mg/ml substance (prop) and add another 8cc to it in my sterile vial (20cc or greater).

This would give me 13cc of substance.

5cc x 200mg = 1,000mg (1 gram)

1000mg/13cc total = 76.9mg/ml

Or 400mg (2cc) / 5cc total = 80mg/ml (2cc gear + 3cc sterile oil)

You have your total substance in suspension over a total volume of oil.

Now aren't you glad they made you take math?

prolangtum · 12-22-2003, 03:22 PM

I usually just cut painful gear with a bottle of Ganabol I have. Sure, I wont get many mgs of EQ, but I figure its more anabolic than cottonseed oil.

12-21-2003, 11:03 PM	#1
GodlyBODY DnA BodyBuilding Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: C-TOWN Posts: 24	Is Quality Vet REALLY quality??? I recently ran a cycle with doses most of you would consider high. 1600 mgs test 600 mgs deca weekly. Also d-bol, anadrol front loaded for 4 weeks. I was less then impressed with my results. a couple of years ago QV was the way to go. Now i am not so sure, anybody else had less then spectacular results with QV new products? Success comes before work only in the dictionary.

12-22-2003, 01:20 AM	#2
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	More and more people are disliking QV now, it all started with the 50ml jug of enanthate, now the cypionate and others have been accused of being painfull and underdosed. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-22-2003, 01:22 AM	#3
GodlyBODY DnA BodyBuilding Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: C-TOWN Posts: 24	i had the 50mg jug of enanthate in that mix. Any new companies out there making good shit (since they all do at first) so i dont have to buy this underdosed crap? Success comes before work only in the dictionary.

12-22-2003, 01:27 AM	#4
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	QV has gone downhill so quick it is not even funny. As far as vet roids, Syd group looks promising, and Denkall is always quality. Or you could always go Euro, you cant go wrong with ICNs or Testex. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-22-2003, 01:29 AM	#5
GodlyBODY DnA BodyBuilding Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: C-TOWN Posts: 24	denkall is qv sister company. I dont like denkall either. Syd- do you mean out of Australia? Success comes before work only in the dictionary.

12-22-2003, 01:30 AM	#6
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	I prefer underground these days. QV seemed to go downhill when the Ttokkyo BS happened, and that was awhile back. Around that time people started complaining about the jugs and pain, mine didn't bother me.

12-22-2003, 01:31 AM	#7
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	actually that is a common myth, QV is not Denkall's sister company, I know of a reliable source in MX who verified this for me. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-22-2003, 01:37 AM	#8
GodlyBODY DnA BodyBuilding Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: C-TOWN Posts: 24	Can you give me names of underground companies that you trust mudge? I cant trust anything in tha game anymore Success comes before work only in the dictionary.

12-22-2003, 01:39 AM	#9
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	I was about to try some RT but he (Jared) as of today was labled scammer. I primarily use PL, if you dont know who I'm talking about you'd have to email me as these guys want thier full names off the boards generally.

12-22-2003, 10:03 AM	#10
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	Mudge, PL-high mg/ml gear? Are we thinking about the same guy? Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-22-2003, 11:41 AM	#11
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	You know it. As for high mg/ml, I dont like it, other than shipping package size. I cut that stuff in half. I made the mistake, twice, of shooting 1cc 400mg/ml cyp (DL, the now prohormone DL), and PL 500mg/ml enan in my quads. Both times left me practically disabled for a week. I dont know why I tried it a second time nearly a year later with my first experience being what it was, stupid.

12-22-2003, 02:22 PM	#12
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	i used alot of pl gear and his previous name iam senstive to high mg/ ml gear i had to cut it the eth with tren to keep the pain down

12-22-2003, 02:29 PM	#13
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	How do u cut gear in half exactly??? add oil????? Kind of a dumb question, but Im a pretty stupid guy.

12-22-2003, 02:39 PM	#14
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Couple ways to do it, you buy what is called sterile oil or cutting oil (sterilized oil). You can either pull in 1/2cc of each, then pull in 1cc or so of air, and turn the pin over and over letting the air bubble mix the goods up a bit. Or buy a sterile vial with a stopper on it already (or buy the full crimper kit etc), and then mix it all together. I like to have sterile vials around to mix my stuff up ahead of time when I am injecting two substances or cutting a large amount of high mg/ml test or whatever. PL does now offer though a low mg/ml line, some of the items are priced higher though. This is also very handy for re-adjusting the potency of your gear in other than 50% denominations. Like for example, 200mg/ml prop which I was just using (cut in half though, easy). If I wanted to shoot daily, but wanted 75mg/ml, I could take 5cc of this 200mg/ml substance (prop) and add another 8cc to it in my sterile vial (20cc or greater). This would give me 13cc of substance. 5cc x 200mg = 1,000mg (1 gram) 1000mg/13cc total = 76.9mg/ml Or 400mg (2cc) / 5cc total = 80mg/ml (2cc gear + 3cc sterile oil) You have your total substance in suspension over a total volume of oil. Now aren't you glad they made you take math? Last edited by Mudge : 12-22-2003 at 02:50 PM.

12-22-2003, 03:22 PM	#15
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	I usually just cut painful gear with a bottle of Ganabol I have. Sure, I wont get many mgs of EQ, but I figure its more anabolic than cottonseed oil. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

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