I really need advice - newbie- sust 250

Power Rabbit · 12-29-2003, 10:33 PM

ya kick is a bad word....my bad

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 12:08 AM

Nah we all say kick in, but its not like you suddenly put 20 pounds on your bench overnight or 10 pounds in a day, but you sure as hell should gain WAY faster on a first cycle than naturally.

After 6 months or so of natural training, I dont know anyone who puts 10 pounds on thier bench weekly, make sense right? Now that is what I call kick, but its not like you put 50 on in a week. Still this puts me (us) so far above natural that I feel freaking like a god among men.

I see guys cranking out reps with 115 on the bench, and I load up 3 plates. I see guys doing shrugs with 135 pounds, and I load up 3 plates for 20 easy reps

Power Rabbit · 12-30-2003, 01:18 PM

heh good call bro:-)

jeb · 12-30-2003, 07:45 PM

do you all know if i'm taking propecia to prevent hair loss does

prevent that to gain muscle while on cycle?????

Power Rabbit · 12-30-2003, 09:13 PM

alot of people take propecia while on cycle. I think if it did anything..it would be minimal

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jeb
do you all know if i'm taking propecia to prevent hair loss does

prevent that to gain muscle while on cycle?????

Did someone just tell you to take it and you didn't know why?

I doubt it affects gains, dont see how.

prolangtum · 12-30-2003, 09:40 PM

blocking too much DHT can be detrimental, just like blocking too much estrogen can be

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 09:55 PM

Absorutery.

themadmexican25 · 01-04-2004, 09:48 PM

if you are going to use deca why not use NORANDREN 200

**Mudge** · 01-04-2004, 11:00 PM

Deca is deca.

themadmexican25 · 01-04-2004, 11:25 PM

true, true

jeb · 01-05-2004, 04:05 PM

Mudge, ok after i finish this cycle of 8 weeks which I'm deprerate

to finish it to start the new one, my PCT i'm going to start it at 2.5

days at a low dose which is 10mg ed in the first week then the

second 20ed????? how long do i have to wait to start the other

cycle?ok so....

i'm doing a 12 week cycle of sus 500/w and dbol 20mg for 6

weeks, is that a decent cycle???? i was doing 250 for 8 by itself,

next week i'll get my last shot.

Power Rabbit · 01-05-2004, 04:14 PM

time on=time off is a rule I like....

jeb · 01-05-2004, 04:18 PM

what do you mean? to stay 8 weeks off? but still working out right and eating right? everything the same but off cycle right?

**Mudge** · 01-05-2004, 04:42 PM

Wait 2-3 weeks before you begin PCT, you have to wait for the half life of the drug to lower it enough to even begin being able to recouperate.

Yes you still lift during your time off, it just means no HPTA suppressive drugs.

jeb · 01-05-2004, 04:55 PM

that's what i'm going to do then, so... after i start my PCT

how many weeks do i wait to start my new cycle? I feel like my

cycle that i'm going to finish was a shitty cycle though, I'm kind of

dissapointed, but i've got from 187 to 198 11lbs so far i still have

two more weeks which is this week and next week on juice, but i'll

see if i can get like 5 more lbs because i'm pretty sure i have a lot

of water.

jeb · 01-05-2004, 05:29 PM

what do you all think?

**Mudge** · 01-05-2004, 05:29 PM

8-12 weeks or more as you feel neccessary for complete recouperation.

jeb · 01-05-2004, 05:38 PM

what is it feel to recouperate, or how would i feel on my post cycle

fatige?

**Mudge** · 01-05-2004, 08:11 PM

I go by libido, if you get a blood test though try to recall how you feel all around and that will help future cycles.

jeb · 01-06-2004, 10:25 AM

Mudge can you please delete one of the comments that i put here, (12-28-2003 01:46 PM) thanks.

jeb · 01-06-2004, 10:27 AM

comment 19

jeb · 01-06-2004, 11:04 AM

i mean 20 the one that I mentioned mexico, it's a long paragraph.

**Mudge** · 01-06-2004, 11:29 AM

Post #19, got it.

jeb · 01-06-2004, 11:39 AM

thanks i appreciate it bro.

jeb · 01-14-2004, 04:32 PM

Mudge how is it going dude?

hey this is my last week of my cycle, I still haven't decided if I

should get the deca at 400 cycle with dbol of the sust250 at 500

with dbol, which one of this cycles have you seen the best

results ? hey another thing Mudge you know what happened to

dude? well for drinking to much protein shakes I started to shit

pellets dude it got to the point that i got my ass sore and a little

bit of blood , i couldn't

even wipe my ass comfortable but i had to anyways, so i stop

eating like meat and the shakes for now, but i will start my diet

again in a couple of days, my buddy told me that happened to

him as well but just to put fiber on my diet to digest everything smooth.

**Mudge** · 01-14-2004, 04:40 PM

Meat doesn't affect me much other than possible stomach discomfort, but I dont seem to need much fiber in my diet, a little oatmeal does me just fine. I can just about live off meat and nothing else (in terms of going to the bathroom).

I would much rather do sust/dbol than deca/dbol.

jeb · 01-14-2004, 04:57 PM

I love meat, but i think the shakes makes you sometimes feel like

kind of constipated. I heard that deca shuts you down big time

(can't get it up), anyhow how many weeks should i do this cycle?

12 is a decent cycle? i was thinking running d-bol 25-30mg/ed for

4 to 6wk.

**Mudge** · 01-14-2004, 05:16 PM

I know of people that get gassy or diahrea from shakes, I have never heard of constipation. Of all the genetic goodness that I dont have, I can eat or drink just about anything without problems.

First cycle? 8-12 wks is common, dbol for 4-6 is cool.

Get more fiber in your diet if you are constipated, and/or add olive oil to those shakes, that will loosen you right up so be carefull with it.

themadmexican25 · 01-14-2004, 09:26 PM

I take glycerlean and its pretty good

12-30-2003, 12:08 AM	#32
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Nah we all say kick in, but its not like you suddenly put 20 pounds on your bench overnight or 10 pounds in a day, but you sure as hell should gain WAY faster on a first cycle than naturally. After 6 months or so of natural training, I dont know anyone who puts 10 pounds on thier bench weekly, make sense right? Now that is what I call kick, but its not like you put 50 on in a week. Still this puts me (us) so far above natural that I feel freaking like a god among men. I see guys cranking out reps with 115 on the bench, and I load up 3 plates. I see guys doing shrugs with 135 pounds, and I load up 3 plates for 20 easy reps
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12-30-2003, 09:40 PM	#37
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12-30-2003, 09:55 PM	#38
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Absorutery.
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01-04-2004, 11:00 PM	#40
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Deca is deca.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-05-2004, 04:42 PM	#45
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Wait 2-3 weeks before you begin PCT, you have to wait for the half life of the drug to lower it enough to even begin being able to recouperate. Yes you still lift during your time off, it just means no HPTA suppressive drugs.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

12-29-2003, 10:33 PM	#31
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	ya kick is a bad word....my bad

12-30-2003, 01:18 PM	#33
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	heh good call bro:-)

12-30-2003, 07:45 PM	#34
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	do you all know if i'm taking propecia to prevent hair loss does prevent that to gain muscle while on cycle?????

12-30-2003, 09:13 PM	#35
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	alot of people take propecia while on cycle. I think if it did anything..it would be minimal

01-04-2004, 09:48 PM	#39
themadmexican25 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: texas Posts: 15	if you are going to use deca why not use NORANDREN 200

01-04-2004, 11:25 PM	#41
themadmexican25 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: texas Posts: 15	true, true

01-05-2004, 04:05 PM	#42
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	Mudge, ok after i finish this cycle of 8 weeks which I'm deprerate to finish it to start the new one, my PCT i'm going to start it at 2.5 days at a low dose which is 10mg ed in the first week then the second 20ed????? how long do i have to wait to start the other cycle?ok so.... i'm doing a 12 week cycle of sus 500/w and dbol 20mg for 6 weeks, is that a decent cycle???? i was doing 250 for 8 by itself, next week i'll get my last shot.

01-05-2004, 04:14 PM	#43
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	time on=time off is a rule I like....

01-05-2004, 04:18 PM	#44
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	what do you mean? to stay 8 weeks off? but still working out right and eating right? everything the same but off cycle right?

01-05-2004, 04:55 PM	#46
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	that's what i'm going to do then, so... after i start my PCT how many weeks do i wait to start my new cycle? I feel like my cycle that i'm going to finish was a shitty cycle though, I'm kind of dissapointed, but i've got from 187 to 198 11lbs so far i still have two more weeks which is this week and next week on juice, but i'll see if i can get like 5 more lbs because i'm pretty sure i have a lot of water.

01-05-2004, 05:29 PM	#47
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	what do you all think?

01-05-2004, 05:38 PM	#49
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	what is it feel to recouperate, or how would i feel on my post cycle fatige?

01-05-2004, 08:11 PM	#50
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I go by libido, if you get a blood test though try to recall how you feel all around and that will help future cycles.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-06-2004, 10:25 AM	#51
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	Mudge can you please delete one of the comments that i put here, (12-28-2003 01:46 PM) thanks.

01-06-2004, 10:27 AM	#52
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	comment 19

01-06-2004, 11:04 AM	#53
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	i mean 20 the one that I mentioned mexico, it's a long paragraph.

01-06-2004, 11:29 AM	#54
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Post #19, got it.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-06-2004, 11:39 AM	#55
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	thanks i appreciate it bro.

01-14-2004, 04:32 PM	#56
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	Mudge how is it going dude? hey this is my last week of my cycle, I still haven't decided if I should get the deca at 400 cycle with dbol of the sust250 at 500 with dbol, which one of this cycles have you seen the best results ? hey another thing Mudge you know what happened to dude? well for drinking to much protein shakes I started to shit pellets dude it got to the point that i got my ass sore and a little bit of blood , i couldn't even wipe my ass comfortable but i had to anyways, so i stop eating like meat and the shakes for now, but i will start my diet again in a couple of days, my buddy told me that happened to him as well but just to put fiber on my diet to digest everything smooth.

01-14-2004, 04:40 PM	#57
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Meat doesn't affect me much other than possible stomach discomfort, but I dont seem to need much fiber in my diet, a little oatmeal does me just fine. I can just about live off meat and nothing else (in terms of going to the bathroom). I would much rather do sust/dbol than deca/dbol.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-14-2004, 04:57 PM	#58
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	I love meat, but i think the shakes makes you sometimes feel like kind of constipated. I heard that deca shuts you down big time (can't get it up), anyhow how many weeks should i do this cycle? 12 is a decent cycle? i was thinking running d-bol 25-30mg/ed for 4 to 6wk.

01-14-2004, 05:16 PM	#59
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I know of people that get gassy or diahrea from shakes, I have never heard of constipation. Of all the genetic goodness that I dont have, I can eat or drink just about anything without problems. First cycle? 8-12 wks is common, dbol for 4-6 is cool. Get more fiber in your diet if you are constipated, and/or add olive oil to those shakes, that will loosen you right up so be carefull with it.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-14-2004, 09:26 PM	#60
themadmexican25 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: texas Posts: 15	I take glycerlean and its pretty good