I really need advice - newbie- sust 250

**Mudge** · 01-14-2004, 10:36 PM

No sources should be posted period, I dont know what you are talking about. I dont suggest ordering from websites though, if they get taken down and have a nice big customer list with your name on it, you may get visited or set up, or that may even be 'proof' alone right there.

If you need to check though send me a secure email, mudge@cyber-rights.net - not something from Hotmail or AOL or some other service that will rat you out.

camarosuper6 · 01-14-2004, 11:21 PM

Mudge judging from your pic, your a pretty large guy. Mind if i ask what kind of program do you use, as far as weight training? Or are you a guy who mixes it up quite often?

**Mudge** · 01-15-2004, 12:19 PM

Basic movements, almost all freeweights.

1) Chest Calves
2) Back
3) Delts Traps Neck
4) Arms Abs
5) Quads Hams

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/ga...r=1950&thumb=1

jeb · 01-15-2004, 08:33 PM

ok i'll check with you from a secure mail, thanks.

jeb · 01-19-2004, 04:38 PM

Mudge I have nolva and clomid for my post cycle, how should i take it for my post, dose per/day and week?????? can you give me some feedback? i've heard a lot of opinions some say take both some say take clomid, what's the right way dude to take it??

jeb · 01-19-2004, 04:39 PM

I was taking low dose which it was the sus250 for 8 wks, Man i really want start my other cycle i can't wait.

**Mudge** · 01-19-2004, 04:59 PM

You can take both if you want, 20mg nolvadex = 50mg clomid so if your PCT calls for 100mg clomid then take one of each, 20N and 50C.

I would run PCT for 3 weeks minimum.

jeb · 01-19-2004, 05:06 PM

3 weeks minimum, ok, starting three weeks after my last inj. right?

jeb · 01-19-2004, 05:26 PM

on my next cycle i will be running 500mg sus/wk for 10-12wk, do

you recommend to shoot the 500mg in one shot? or split it? i

don't really care as long as i do it right. I altenate my butt

anyways, do you think i should start getting my shots in my

thights? as long i don't walk like limping you know what i mean?

which is your favorite spot to shoot yourself?

**Mudge** · 01-19-2004, 06:31 PM

Well, you really should rotate injection sites, I have 8 sites that I am willing to stick myself in. Twice a week would be nice because of the prop in the sustanon (when I run prop I shoot ED), but it may not make much difference in reality.

2-3 weeks after your last shot is when PCT should begin, with deca in there make it 3. In other words you can't begin recovery without waiting for the drug levels to die down, so half life takes care of tapering for you.

Go first in the cheeks, if the gear doesn't bother you there then the thigh is ok to try out. I have made the mistake of putting high mg/ml gear in my quads and it was a big mistake, since then I have not done thighs at all its not my favorite spot to hit at all pain or not.

I like

ass
delts
triceps
traps
pecs

I have not done triceps for awhile because of blood and nerves.

jeb · 01-20-2004, 10:54 AM

I just sent you a message to your cyber-rights. c/s when you hit

delts traps and pecs, is it the same thing as when you shoot your

cheeks? because you know how sometimes you get a bit of sore

like for 2 days or so in your cheeks, is it the same?

**Mudge** · 01-20-2004, 11:25 AM

I just ran 3cc into my left delt last night with ONLY 1/2" 27g pin and I have absolutely zero pain, no lie - if I raise my arm I can just barely feel that I even took a shot. This is underground stuff, superb quality, it is not bathtub gear like some people cry about. I have used mex gear and this stuff blows it away in terms of "pain" and I have run the QV enanthate jug without any real problems but you do feel it.

One thing to consider is site rotation besides the quality of the gear (or flat out simply BA content, mine is .9%). If you are stabbing yourself in the same spot, especially with high volume injections, if you feel pain upon injection I would say this is likely you shooting right into scar tissue that has not yet healed. I have had this happen in my cheeks before when doing E4D injections so this is 8 days between each cheek shot. I gave the rest of my body a break and started using cheeks which I had not used in a good long while, and yet it feels much better in my delt which is almost somewhat funny, so it is my belief that it was the break that my body needed.

If the gear is higher in BA content though ("quality" you could say) and it hurts in the rear, then I am wary of putting it in my quads but will willingly put it almost anywhere else as long as it wont be worked out within 2-3 days, otherwise it will hurt my workout. Higher mg/ml stuff usually tends to hurt more, the stuff I am using now is 300mg/ml.

jeb · 01-20-2004, 02:08 PM

ohh ok, then BA (quality) has to do with the pain??? How do can i find out the BA content (%) ?? it has to do with the brand?

jeb · 01-20-2004, 02:16 PM

what is BA mean though?

**Mudge** · 01-20-2004, 04:09 PM

BA = Benzyl Alcohol
BB = Benzyl Benzoate

It may or may not say on your vial what the BA content is, mine is .9% BA, some mix in BB to reduce pain which reduces the requirement for BB.

jeb · 01-21-2004, 10:06 AM

oh I see, the ones that i used was by Oganon which i've heard

according to the research that i've done that is a good co. and i

think it says on the box, i'll check it out and see what it says.

did you get my e-mail to c r .com Mudge?

**Mudge** · 01-21-2004, 10:26 AM

Organon is supposedly the world largest steroid manufacturer. As for email I dont know, unless you sent it from a secure account I deleted it.

www.cyber-rights.net
www.hushmail.com
www.ziplip.com
www.securenym.net
www.keptprivate.com

jeb · 01-21-2004, 11:03 AM

ok i'll get a secure mail. thanks. hey did you hear about Bush

last night he said something about "crack down the industry of

steroids", my buddy told me, i'll try to surf and find it, it must be

intresting.

**Mudge** · 01-21-2004, 11:54 AM

Oh yes, I am aware of his speech...

Quote:

"To help children make right choices, they need good examples. Athletics play such an important role in our society, but, unfortunately, some in professional sports are not setting much of an example. The use of performance-enhancing drugs like steroids in baseball, football, and other sports is dangerous, and it sends the wrong message that there are shortcuts to accomplishment, and that performance is more important than character. So tonight I call on team owners, union representatives, coaches, and players to take the lead, to send the right signal, to get tough, and to get rid of steroids now"

Power Rabbit · 01-21-2004, 11:56 AM

Oganon amps are also the most faked

Power Rabbit · 01-21-2004, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Oh yes, I am aware of his speech...

means nothing....he just wanted to use something that was in the headlines(in this case ephedra) in his speech so he can help make himself look like he is on top of things..been done for years...think last year it was violent video games

jeb · 01-21-2004, 01:15 PM

I hope I didn't get the fake ones dude!!! well they look real,

where i bought it is one of the biggest pharmacies in mexico,

well.... you never know right?

jeb · 01-21-2004, 02:07 PM

what do you take between cycles?? is there anything that i can

take between cycles while in post cycle that it would not

affect your recouperation phase???

**Mudge** · 01-21-2004, 02:09 PM

hGH $$$$
IGF-1 LR3 $$$
Insulin $
Clenbuterol $

jeb · 01-21-2004, 02:25 PM

I have access to clen, what are the dosages and for how long

can i take it dude? have you used it before?

**Mudge** · 01-21-2004, 05:22 PM

Never used it, enough people get sides from it that I may not. It is more for caloric burning than actual anti-catabolism, but again I have not used it so who knows.

Quote:

Athletes usually take 5-7 tablets, 100-140 mcg per day For women 80-100 mcg/day are usually sufficient, It is important that the athlete begin by taking only one tablet on the first day and then increasing the dosage by one tablet each of the following days until the desired maximum dosage is reached. The compound is usually taken over a period of 8-10 weeks. Since Clenbuterol is not a hormone compound it has no side effects typical of anabolic steroids. For this reason it is also liked by women. Possible side effects of Clenbuterol include restlessness, palpitations, tremor (involuntary trembling of fingers), headache, increased perspiration, insomnia, possible muscle spasms, increased blood pressure, and nausea. Note that these side effects are of a temporary nature and usually subside after 8-10 days

jeb · 01-21-2004, 09:11 PM

what do you recomend to take, what do you usually take

between cycles? I sent you a message through hushmail.com

dude i hope you can help me out Mudge.

**Mudge** · 01-21-2004, 11:13 PM

I take nolvadex between cycles, I dont bridge. IGF-1 LR3 seems tempting on or off cycle, slin possibly but I'd have to brush up on it (to avoid dying), hGH perhaps sometime in the future - basically these 3 are either expensive or can kill you.

As for clen supposedly it is hard on the kidneys, I have been tempted to run it during cutting, but have only used T3 for that purpose. I was tempted to run clen because it is supposedly anti-catabolic but most everyone says that is entirely blown out of proportion.

By the way, most people run clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, not 8-10, not without precautions (Taurine comes to mind?)

01-14-2004, 10:36 PM	#61
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	No sources should be posted period, I dont know what you are talking about. I dont suggest ordering from websites though, if they get taken down and have a nice big customer list with your name on it, you may get visited or set up, or that may even be 'proof' alone right there. If you need to check though send me a secure email, mudge@cyber-rights.net - not something from Hotmail or AOL or some other service that will rat you out.
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01-14-2004, 11:21 PM	#62
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,343	Mudge judging from your pic, your a pretty large guy. Mind if i ask what kind of program do you use, as far as weight training? Or are you a guy who mixes it up quite often?
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01-15-2004, 12:19 PM	#63
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Basic movements, almost all freeweights. 1) Chest Calves 2) Back 3) Delts Traps Neck 4) Arms Abs 5) Quads Hams http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/ga...r=1950&thumb=1
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-19-2004, 04:59 PM	#67
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	You can take both if you want, 20mg nolvadex = 50mg clomid so if your PCT calls for 100mg clomid then take one of each, 20N and 50C. I would run PCT for 3 weeks minimum.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-19-2004, 06:31 PM	#70
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Well, you really should rotate injection sites, I have 8 sites that I am willing to stick myself in. Twice a week would be nice because of the prop in the sustanon (when I run prop I shoot ED), but it may not make much difference in reality. 2-3 weeks after your last shot is when PCT should begin, with deca in there make it 3. In other words you can't begin recovery without waiting for the drug levels to die down, so half life takes care of tapering for you. Go first in the cheeks, if the gear doesn't bother you there then the thigh is ok to try out. I have made the mistake of putting high mg/ml gear in my quads and it was a big mistake, since then I have not done thighs at all its not my favorite spot to hit at all pain or not. I like ass delts triceps traps pecs I have not done triceps for awhile because of blood and nerves.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-15-2004, 08:33 PM	#64
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	ok i'll check with you from a secure mail, thanks.

01-19-2004, 04:38 PM	#65
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	Mudge I have nolva and clomid for my post cycle, how should i take it for my post, dose per/day and week?????? can you give me some feedback? i've heard a lot of opinions some say take both some say take clomid, what's the right way dude to take it??

01-19-2004, 04:39 PM	#66
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	I was taking low dose which it was the sus250 for 8 wks, Man i really want start my other cycle i can't wait.

01-19-2004, 05:06 PM	#68
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	3 weeks minimum, ok, starting three weeks after my last inj. right?

01-19-2004, 05:26 PM	#69
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	on my next cycle i will be running 500mg sus/wk for 10-12wk, do you recommend to shoot the 500mg in one shot? or split it? i don't really care as long as i do it right. I altenate my butt anyways, do you think i should start getting my shots in my thights? as long i don't walk like limping you know what i mean? which is your favorite spot to shoot yourself?

01-20-2004, 10:54 AM	#71
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	I just sent you a message to your cyber-rights. c/s when you hit delts traps and pecs, is it the same thing as when you shoot your cheeks? because you know how sometimes you get a bit of sore like for 2 days or so in your cheeks, is it the same?

01-20-2004, 11:25 AM	#72
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	I just ran 3cc into my left delt last night with ONLY 1/2" 27g pin and I have absolutely zero pain, no lie - if I raise my arm I can just barely feel that I even took a shot. This is underground stuff, superb quality, it is not bathtub gear like some people cry about. I have used mex gear and this stuff blows it away in terms of "pain" and I have run the QV enanthate jug without any real problems but you do feel it. One thing to consider is site rotation besides the quality of the gear (or flat out simply BA content, mine is .9%). If you are stabbing yourself in the same spot, especially with high volume injections, if you feel pain upon injection I would say this is likely you shooting right into scar tissue that has not yet healed. I have had this happen in my cheeks before when doing E4D injections so this is 8 days between each cheek shot. I gave the rest of my body a break and started using cheeks which I had not used in a good long while, and yet it feels much better in my delt which is almost somewhat funny, so it is my belief that it was the break that my body needed. If the gear is higher in BA content though ("quality" you could say) and it hurts in the rear, then I am wary of putting it in my quads but will willingly put it almost anywhere else as long as it wont be worked out within 2-3 days, otherwise it will hurt my workout. Higher mg/ml stuff usually tends to hurt more, the stuff I am using now is 300mg/ml.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-20-2004, 02:08 PM	#73
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	ohh ok, then BA (quality) has to do with the pain??? How do can i find out the BA content (%) ?? it has to do with the brand?

01-20-2004, 02:16 PM	#74
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	what is BA mean though?

01-20-2004, 04:09 PM	#75
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	BA = Benzyl Alcohol BB = Benzyl Benzoate It may or may not say on your vial what the BA content is, mine is .9% BA, some mix in BB to reduce pain which reduces the requirement for BB.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-21-2004, 10:06 AM	#76
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	oh I see, the ones that i used was by Oganon which i've heard according to the research that i've done that is a good co. and i think it says on the box, i'll check it out and see what it says. did you get my e-mail to c r .com Mudge?

01-21-2004, 10:26 AM	#77
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Organon is supposedly the world largest steroid manufacturer. As for email I dont know, unless you sent it from a secure account I deleted it. www.cyber-rights.net www.hushmail.com www.ziplip.com www.securenym.net www.keptprivate.com
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-21-2004, 11:03 AM	#78
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	ok i'll get a secure mail. thanks. hey did you hear about Bush last night he said something about "crack down the industry of steroids", my buddy told me, i'll try to surf and find it, it must be intresting.

01-21-2004, 11:56 AM	#80
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	Oganon amps are also the most faked

01-21-2004, 01:15 PM	#82
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	I hope I didn't get the fake ones dude!!! well they look real, where i bought it is one of the biggest pharmacies in mexico, well.... you never know right?

01-21-2004, 02:07 PM	#83
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	what do you take between cycles?? is there anything that i can take between cycles while in post cycle that it would not affect your recouperation phase???

01-21-2004, 02:09 PM	#84
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	hGH $$$$ IGF-1 LR3 $$$ Insulin $ Clenbuterol $
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-21-2004, 02:25 PM	#85
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	I have access to clen, what are the dosages and for how long can i take it dude? have you used it before?

01-21-2004, 09:11 PM	#87
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	what do you recomend to take, what do you usually take between cycles? I sent you a message through hushmail.com dude i hope you can help me out Mudge.

01-21-2004, 11:13 PM	#88
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	I take nolvadex between cycles, I dont bridge. IGF-1 LR3 seems tempting on or off cycle, slin possibly but I'd have to brush up on it (to avoid dying), hGH perhaps sometime in the future - basically these 3 are either expensive or can kill you. As for clen supposedly it is hard on the kidneys, I have been tempted to run it during cutting, but have only used T3 for that purpose. I was tempted to run clen because it is supposedly anti-catabolic but most everyone says that is entirely blown out of proportion. By the way, most people run clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, not 8-10, not without precautions (Taurine comes to mind?)
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks