Mudge

I have nothing from such an address dude? mudge@cyber-rights.net

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jeb

my bad, i send it .com instead of .net. hahahah shit sorry about

that man. Muge have you ever used the yohimburn? do you

know where can i buy it? i've heard good thing about it, the

reason why i'm asking is because i want to use it for my face

because i got a bit of bloaded on my cheecks with the cycle

that did.

Mudge

Never used it, if you have bloat its from fat or water.

Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench
Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin
When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu
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jeb

both, since i did my cycle i noticed that i lost fat i don't know how

much but i can tell on my stomach area big time but my face still

look like a little puffy cheeks which i know is the water and little

fat. as for the water i know i'm going to loose it with my nolva

next week but the fat? i'm planning to do a cutting cycle but first

i'm going to do like 2-3 more bulk & mass cycles then i will do my

cutting next year.

jeb

Mudge what gauge do you use for your traps and delts??

I'm planing to order my pins for my next cycle, i was using 23g last

cycle.

Mudge

I used 23g for my first cycle but have used 25/27 since, usually 25g since 27g only comes in .5" I have 1.5" and 1" for the 25g, although I have a spacer at home to make it 5/8" when I dont feel like going deep, and I'm still lean enough that I think its ok for most spots (not the ass of course).

jeb

i bet you barely feel it right with the 25 and 27?

did you felt a difference between the 23 and 25g??

Mudge

27 is nothing, that you just about dont feel. 25 is very nice, slides right in, the 27g is short and really not terribly convenient in hard to reach spots because you do need some good pressure to push through it. Terumo has a stronger base than BD so I do better with them.

Yes there is a difference with 23/25, just as with 25/27, but 23 is ok. I just like as little trauma as possible, especially since my body loves to bleed. When doing ED injects also, it gets pretty bad with scar tissue after awhile.

jeb

that's cool so I think i'm going for the 25g then, 23g is a little mild

to push the oil so i'm guessing 27 you have to push hard but slow

no?

Mudge

Takes me about a minute to push through a 27g which is what I like anyway, 25g is pretty easy to deal with, 23g is so easy to push through that one could easily push "too fast" with it so there is no reason to use it IMO.

I use 20 to pull and 25 to push, the 27g is nice though for delts and traps and .5" seems fine to me for those two spots. Make sure to push nice and deep, unless your bodyfat is relatively high you should be fine, especially with low volume shots.

Plenty of people thought a 27g would be impossible, when you look at it you would almost think that it was.

jeb

when i tried my first one without any help, dude, it took me about

30min but i did it, like the third time it was easy, sometimes it hurt

a bit but not enough to bother me through my training, but some

time i would get bumps (butt) i don't know if it was because of

the BA or because i would do it wrong. But i want to try with my

delts and traps so I can start getting used to it (delts and traps)

because i want to try EOD with prop after i finish this next cycle.

and traps

Mudge

More people go with 23s than 25, but I find 25 just fine.

jeb

Mudge what was your best cycle that you could say WOW i gained ____ lbs (so many pounds) it was awsome????

What do you think?, is it better like to do the 500sust/wk or change it to 500 test enat. ?? instead of dealing with short and long esters (blend)

Power Rabbit

itll be cheaper to not use sust...and easier to keep stable blood levels

Mudge

My first cycle was my best. I used the see-food diet method, I saw food, I ate it. Right now though to gain weight I have to eat 5000-6000 calories a day which is a bit more laborous, I should be around 252 or possibly higher, haven't weighed myself since friday. Your gains come from your diet + the drugs, not the drugs alone.

I would use enanthate.

jeb

in your own opinion, which one leaves you with more sore butt sus on en.?? i think sus.

ok 500/wk of enanthate divided in two shots per week?? like power rabit said to keep stable blood levels?????

Mudge

Sustanon, easily. Shoot deep will also help with pain, there is enough fat on the ass that a 1.5" needle is best, I have used 1" and it works ok, but I still like to go deep into the muscle, also better to avoid an abcess.

500 a week is fine in two shots, or E4D if you can make it work on paper for you, if its 250mg/ml though then just pick two days to do it monday/thursday or whatever.

jeb

the deeper the better right? i remember that you told me that one time you you have made the mistake of putting high mg/ml gear in your quads, what happened did you hit a nerve???

Mudge

Reaction to high BA content probably, because it happened twice. I just dont take well to quad shots unless its low mg/ml, but still, since I rely on my legs for walking I would rather not shoot them because they take enough abuse as it is. I just am not a quad shot lover despite thier popularity.

jeb

i've heard Mudge that if you boil your amp lets say sus250 it'll loose (evaporate) BA content and that is painless, or bake it. Have you ever heard of that bro?

Mudge

BA has a boiling point of 450ºF, you will damage your substance long before BA goes away.

jeb

have you ever tried EQ with test? if so how was it?

Mudge

I would not use it on your first cycle, either test by itself or test + dbol, dont get all fancy footed, you can gain 20-30 easily if you eat right.

jeb

I was just wondering, maybe in the future i would use EQ with something else, right now I'm just focused in mass bulking cycles though, I started my post this past sun I'm currently taking 20mg nolva and 50mg of clomid/day for the next 3 wks but i've noticed a bit of acne no biggie, but if i continue to get more acne i'm going to discontinue and just stick to my nova at high doses.

Mudge

EQ is something you try, you either like it or you dont. Good for long cycles only.

jeb

Mudge what's up dude? hey how do i use the HCG Post cycle?, I've heard that is pretty good for shrinkage of the testicles, I would like to give it a try after I finish my 500mg/wk enathate cycle, i'm doing it for 10wks, right now i'm in my 3rd week PCT.
so how do I use it dude for my PCT? do you like it?

Power Rabbit

you use it in the window between your cycle ending and pct starting...it will cause suppression and shouldnt be used during pct

Mudge

Dont fix your balls after they are broken, avoid the problem altogether, and as PW said its not suggested to be used post cycle. If you absolutely have to then start using it after the last shot, for up to 2-3 weeks, and then start your PCT immediately.

jeb

Mudge i just finished my 3rd week post cycle, i still have the clomid and nolva left for about another week, do you think i should do another week? i lost 4 pounds total, i kept 14. next cycle i would eat much more, i think it was ok for my first cycle. now i know what to do to gain more muscle weight.