I really need advice - newbie- sust 250

jeb · 12-24-2003, 12:02 PM

what's going on guys?

hey I wanted to get some advice from you all experienced men with roids. I'm just started taking a 8wk cycle of sust 250 each week, this is my first time taking roids i did my reaserch though, I'm going for my 5th week, i've gained 8lbs (i started at 187lbs now i'm 195-i'm 26) so far is this normal or i should take more sus and inject myself with 500mg of sus for the last 3 wks remaining? how many pounds do you think i would gain at the end of my cycle? after i finish my cycle i'm going to wait 3 weeks and then start taking my nolva right? should i stop working out when i finish my cycle to recover or I can continue taking my glutamine and whey protein with my muscle milk.

can you please reply when ever you get a chance.

thanks,
jeb

prolangtum · 12-24-2003, 12:11 PM

You would have been better served to run 500mg per week all the way through,

No one knows how much you will gain off of a cycle, comes down to diet and training.

Wait 2.5 weeks to start PCT of Nolva

Continue working out, just lower the volume.

**Mudge** · 12-24-2003, 12:17 PM

Gains come primarily from food, what you are looking for is positive nitrogen retention increase from the food, so if you eat the food the gains will come.

I would have run 500mg a week, but I have run 250 for my first cycle. I kept about 17 pounds.

I'd start the nolva at 2 weeks, with such a low dose especially.

Dont stop working out at all, no way. I remember a guy that came here once wanting to run juice for 2 months and then not workout for 3 months at a time

I lose strength even after a week out of the gym, on or off gear.

jeb · 12-24-2003, 01:00 PM

ok since i'm going for the 5th injection on sunday, should i go

with 500? till finish my cycle? I bought deca 50 mg by organon,

they come in a form of a glass injection, anyways should i stack it

with the sus250 for my last 3 inj(3wks) or i just wait and make it

500mg until i finish my cycle? and then after I finish with my

how long should i wait until stating another cycle?

prolangtum · 12-24-2003, 01:02 PM

Wait on the deca, not only will you need at least 300-400mgs of it per week to make it worthwhile, it should be ran at least 8-10 weeks, 3 weeks is not enough time.

**Mudge** · 12-24-2003, 01:32 PM

Yep, dont play with deca right now. As for running more test, you can if you want, just dont cut short your recovery time.

What does your post cycle plan look like?

jeb · 12-24-2003, 01:49 PM

well the only thing that is available for me is nolva 20mg, i've been looking for clomid but i can't find it, where can i get some clomid through the net with out any problems.? all i know that most of the people prefer clomid better than nolva.

**Mudge** · 12-24-2003, 02:25 PM

Stick with nolva man, clomid sucks, the sides just bug the hell out of me and I feel much better on nolvadex all the way around.

jeb · 12-24-2003, 02:38 PM

ok that's what i'm going to do, now what would you recommend

me to do finish with 500 for the 3 remaning weeks or to stay with

the 250?

**Mudge** · 12-24-2003, 02:52 PM

Only 3 weeks? Its up to you, 3 weeks wont do much honestly IMO and will extend your recovery time by at least say 2 weeks, simply by having more gear in your blood as well as increased shutdown over 250mg.

jeb · 12-24-2003, 02:57 PM

what would you do instead of me?

jeb · 12-24-2003, 02:59 PM

wait until cycle ends then go throught the recovery cycle then start another cycle at 500mg, well since I'm stating to take roids what would you recomend? or for my second cycle?

**Mudge** · 12-24-2003, 03:06 PM

For a first cycle I would have run 10 weeks, I am guessing you bought amps though. I personally hate amps and only use them with HCG because that is how it comes.

500 should be fine next cycle, with or without dbol first 4-6 weeks.

Just a guy · 12-24-2003, 06:11 PM

i think 12 weeks would be acceptable.... so then he could up the dose for 7 weeks... i had to do something similar

**Mudge** · 12-24-2003, 06:14 PM

Staying on for the rest of his life is acceptable too, for some. Its all relative based on what he wants, as far as recouperation time etc.

jeb · 12-28-2003, 05:55 PM

so i sould run and stay 250 for 10 weeks?? is that what you mean? and then recovery then run a second cycle of 8 weeks of 500 what else you all suggest? yes they com in form of a seringe ready to use of 250.

Power Rabbit · 12-28-2003, 06:14 PM

your getting sust in ready to inject syrnges/packages?? Do you live in mexico? didnt think there was too much rediject stuff in the states...just cause to bring it over from mexico would be a pain do to how much space(hideable mind you for smuggeling purposes) a single cycle of redijects wold take up.

**Mudge** · 12-28-2003, 08:39 PM

Redijects yep. There are people that resell them in the US, my first source was bringing stuff from Mexico and shipping from within the US. I hear borders are tightening up though, and that Mexico is going to make gear use illegal in 6 months or so? I really dont know that it would impact sales much though.

I'm not really a believer in 8 week cycles, but maybe they will work well for you. If I was running heavy orals with it, then I could see it being doable.

jeb · 12-28-2003, 08:46 PM

Deletion by request

**Mudge** · 12-28-2003, 08:50 PM

20g wow, I forgot to change pins once and I kept pushing and pushing with a 20g and it would not go in (ass shot). Finally I look and go good lord, thats a nail.

I pull with 20 and shoot with 25.

jeb · 12-28-2003, 09:28 PM

i know dude, it's better with the 25g nice and slow. do you think i should just extend it to 10 weeks or just finish the 8 then recover then do a good cycle with 500?

**Mudge** · 12-28-2003, 10:41 PM

I would never do less than 10 in the first place, but thats JMO.

Power Rabbit · 12-28-2003, 11:19 PM

It does seem like 8 weeks is abit short cause it takes alil bit for the gear to kick in....If I were doin a 8 week Id front load it with something more fast actng... like running prop the first 3 weeks to give a cycle of cyp to jump in...

**Mudge** · 12-28-2003, 11:48 PM

Its the shortest cycle pretty much recommended at all, sustanon started working for me in week 3. For a brief time I was putting on 1/8th on my arms every day (HST).

BUSTINOUT · 12-28-2003, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
20g wow, I forgot to change pins once and I kept pushing and pushing with a 20g and it would not go in (ass shot). Finally I look and go good lord, thats a nail.

I pull with 20 and shoot with 25.

LOL! I harpooned myself in the thigh with one of those things. DAMN!

jeb · 12-29-2003, 08:46 PM

i still haven't feel the so called "kick" i have noticed strength but

not that much though, what do you all mean by saying the "kick"

is it power to lift or when you start gaining muscle? i'm buying

dbol for stack it for my next cycle. i've heard here in the forums

that i would feel it like in the 6 shot (week) what do you all

think???

**Mudge** · 12-29-2003, 09:02 PM

Kick is a bad term, you aren't going to gain 5 pounds in a day or anything like that so "kick" is not litterally going to be a kick.

However, starting in week 3 I was putting 1/8th inch on my arms during my first cycle DAILY with HST (program) and sustanon. Likewise once it started working I was putting on 10 pounds on my bench weekly, which after 3 weeks left me about 7 weeks like this, ending up as 65 pounds more on my bench.

jeb · 12-29-2003, 09:04 PM

what is the HST program?

**Mudge** · 12-29-2003, 09:35 PM

Hypertrophy Specific Training, I posted on it about July or so last year in Training if you search it.

Search subject "HST yay or nay"

jeb · 12-29-2003, 09:39 PM

thanks for all the info bro, YOU'RE AWSOME!!!! i'll look for that. LATEZ!!!

12-24-2003, 12:02 PM	#1
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	I really need advice - newbie- sust 250 what's going on guys? hey I wanted to get some advice from you all experienced men with roids. I'm just started taking a 8wk cycle of sust 250 each week, this is my first time taking roids i did my reaserch though, I'm going for my 5th week, i've gained 8lbs (i started at 187lbs now i'm 195-i'm 26) so far is this normal or i should take more sus and inject myself with 500mg of sus for the last 3 wks remaining? how many pounds do you think i would gain at the end of my cycle? after i finish my cycle i'm going to wait 3 weeks and then start taking my nolva right? should i stop working out when i finish my cycle to recover or I can continue taking my glutamine and whey protein with my muscle milk. can you please reply when ever you get a chance. thanks, jeb

12-24-2003, 12:11 PM	#2
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	You would have been better served to run 500mg per week all the way through, No one knows how much you will gain off of a cycle, comes down to diet and training. Wait 2.5 weeks to start PCT of Nolva Continue working out, just lower the volume. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-24-2003, 12:17 PM	#3
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Gains come primarily from food, what you are looking for is positive nitrogen retention increase from the food, so if you eat the food the gains will come. I would have run 500mg a week, but I have run 250 for my first cycle. I kept about 17 pounds. I'd start the nolva at 2 weeks, with such a low dose especially. Dont stop working out at all, no way. I remember a guy that came here once wanting to run juice for 2 months and then not workout for 3 months at a time I lose strength even after a week out of the gym, on or off gear. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-24-2003, 01:02 PM	#5
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	Wait on the deca, not only will you need at least 300-400mgs of it per week to make it worthwhile, it should be ran at least 8-10 weeks, 3 weeks is not enough time. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-24-2003, 01:32 PM	#6
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Yep, dont play with deca right now. As for running more test, you can if you want, just dont cut short your recovery time. What does your post cycle plan look like? Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-24-2003, 01:00 PM	#4
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	ok since i'm going for the 5th injection on sunday, should i go with 500? till finish my cycle? I bought deca 50 mg by organon, they come in a form of a glass injection, anyways should i stack it with the sus250 for my last 3 inj(3wks) or i just wait and make it 500mg until i finish my cycle? and then after I finish with my how long should i wait until stating another cycle?

12-24-2003, 01:49 PM	#7
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	well the only thing that is available for me is nolva 20mg, i've been looking for clomid but i can't find it, where can i get some clomid through the net with out any problems.? all i know that most of the people prefer clomid better than nolva.

12-24-2003, 02:25 PM	#8
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Stick with nolva man, clomid sucks, the sides just bug the hell out of me and I feel much better on nolvadex all the way around. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-24-2003, 02:38 PM	#9
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	ok that's what i'm going to do, now what would you recommend me to do finish with 500 for the 3 remaning weeks or to stay with the 250?

12-24-2003, 02:52 PM	#10
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Only 3 weeks? Its up to you, 3 weeks wont do much honestly IMO and will extend your recovery time by at least say 2 weeks, simply by having more gear in your blood as well as increased shutdown over 250mg. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-24-2003, 02:57 PM	#11
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	what would you do instead of me?

12-24-2003, 02:59 PM	#12
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	wait until cycle ends then go throught the recovery cycle then start another cycle at 500mg, well since I'm stating to take roids what would you recomend? or for my second cycle?

12-24-2003, 03:06 PM	#13
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	For a first cycle I would have run 10 weeks, I am guessing you bought amps though. I personally hate amps and only use them with HCG because that is how it comes. 500 should be fine next cycle, with or without dbol first 4-6 weeks. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-24-2003, 06:11 PM	#14
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	i think 12 weeks would be acceptable.... so then he could up the dose for 7 weeks... i had to do something similar CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

12-24-2003, 06:14 PM	#15
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Staying on for the rest of his life is acceptable too, for some. Its all relative based on what he wants, as far as recouperation time etc.

12-28-2003, 05:55 PM	#16
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	so i sould run and stay 250 for 10 weeks?? is that what you mean? and then recovery then run a second cycle of 8 weeks of 500 what else you all suggest? yes they com in form of a seringe ready to use of 250.

12-28-2003, 06:14 PM	#17
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	your getting sust in ready to inject syrnges/packages?? Do you live in mexico? didnt think there was too much rediject stuff in the states...just cause to bring it over from mexico would be a pain do to how much space(hideable mind you for smuggeling purposes) a single cycle of redijects wold take up.

12-28-2003, 08:39 PM	#18
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Redijects yep. There are people that resell them in the US, my first source was bringing stuff from Mexico and shipping from within the US. I hear borders are tightening up though, and that Mexico is going to make gear use illegal in 6 months or so? I really dont know that it would impact sales much though. I'm not really a believer in 8 week cycles, but maybe they will work well for you. If I was running heavy orals with it, then I could see it being doable. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-28-2003, 08:46 PM	#19
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	Deletion by request Last edited by Mudge : 01-06-2004 at 11:28 AM.

12-28-2003, 08:50 PM	#20
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	20g wow, I forgot to change pins once and I kept pushing and pushing with a 20g and it would not go in (ass shot). Finally I look and go good lord, thats a nail. I pull with 20 and shoot with 25. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-28-2003, 09:28 PM	#21
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	i know dude, it's better with the 25g nice and slow. do you think i should just extend it to 10 weeks or just finish the 8 then recover then do a good cycle with 500?

12-28-2003, 10:41 PM	#22
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	I would never do less than 10 in the first place, but thats JMO. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-28-2003, 11:19 PM	#23
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	It does seem like 8 weeks is abit short cause it takes alil bit for the gear to kick in....If I were doin a 8 week Id front load it with something more fast actng... like running prop the first 3 weeks to give a cycle of cyp to jump in...

12-28-2003, 11:48 PM	#24
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Its the shortest cycle pretty much recommended at all, sustanon started working for me in week 3. For a brief time I was putting on 1/8th on my arms every day (HST). Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-29-2003, 08:46 PM	#26
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	i still haven't feel the so called "kick" i have noticed strength but not that much though, what do you all mean by saying the "kick" is it power to lift or when you start gaining muscle? i'm buying dbol for stack it for my next cycle. i've heard here in the forums that i would feel it like in the 6 shot (week) what do you all think???

12-29-2003, 09:02 PM	#27
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Kick is a bad term, you aren't going to gain 5 pounds in a day or anything like that so "kick" is not litterally going to be a kick. However, starting in week 3 I was putting 1/8th inch on my arms during my first cycle DAILY with HST (program) and sustanon. Likewise once it started working I was putting on 10 pounds on my bench weekly, which after 3 weeks left me about 7 weeks like this, ending up as 65 pounds more on my bench. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-29-2003, 09:04 PM	#28
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	what is the HST program?

12-29-2003, 09:35 PM	#29
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,435 Photos: 1	Hypertrophy Specific Training, I posted on it about July or so last year in Training if you search it. Search subject "HST yay or nay" Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-29-2003, 09:39 PM	#30
jeb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 173	thanks for all the info bro, YOU'RE AWSOME!!!! i'll look for that. LATEZ!!!

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