D-bol's out.... Winstrol's in

Just a guy · 12-30-2003, 06:25 PM

So FUQING tired of being bloated while on D-bol... 50mg's a day.... so my last couple of weeks of Kick starting im throwing in 75MG of Winstrol Tabs.... Let me know your input

Power Rabbit · 12-30-2003, 07:05 PM

not hear too many cycles with winny in the front load....how long does winny take to jump in?
4-5 days and ur feelin the dbol

Just a guy · 12-31-2003, 10:31 AM

i felt it rite when i popped the pill.... made me feel dehydrated tho...

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Huck.

Firstly, I will be the first to verify that winny use does cause joint pain, to say the least. The reason is twofold. There is a transport and removal of water in general from the organism as a whole, and any water that remains is generally utilized in the musculature as a matter of priority. Strangely, this does not seem to apply to the smooth musculature, i.e. the heart, etc. The water is quickly expelled from the body and the entire organism actually shrinks slightly, for lack of a better word. Remember, the body itself is primarily a hydraulic phenomenon. Secondly, the ligaments and tendons do not strengthen as quickly as does the musculature. Therefore it is a natural progression to overtrain the newly strengthened muscle without regard to the strain on the connective tissue, which is exacerbated by the lack of general lubrication caused by the agent. As far as site injections go, I can attest to the fact of localized detail, but not localized growth. I think that the water is transported more dramatically at the injection site for obvious reasons. Additionally, the local musculature would be more quickly saturated with the molecule, especially after repeated injections in the same spot. This translates in the real world to this: Inject in the delts every day and you will see a striated situation in short order, like, say, forty five days. Dosage is also a critical factor here. I get fantastic results with 50mg/day, every day. Sometimes I shoot 100 for about ten days at the beginning, just to kickstart the whole process. Some guys get the results they want with 100mg ED straight through for eight weeks. Anything more than that, in my opinion, is risky. Dehydration and cramping become an inevitability rather than a possibility as the dosage and duration are increased. Remeber also that winny is pyrogenic. So any fatburning suppliments you take will have a magnified effect when combined with winstrol, provided they are pyrogenic as well. Be especially careful when using clen with winny, because you are gonna cramp no matter what. Keep your lifts at the same weight they are now, even though your strength will improve rapidly with that combination. Another factor to consider is that winstrol is psychoactive. When you stop taking it, you're gonna be depressed, so be prepared for it as of now. I am a newly converted trenbelone acetate fan, as you may have noticed. This combination,(meaning winstrol and tren combined at the same time) to me, seems to be the most effective for ripping out. Naturally, a blast of test would be in order in such a combination, unless you don't mind feeling and looking like a sexless cyborg. Personally, I like just having the option of sex alive at all times if possible.

prolangtum · 12-31-2003, 12:54 PM

Try 100mgs ed of winny. If you dont have severe joint pain, it isnt real. Winstrol is horrid on the hairline, at least for me. I always loose a bit of hair when on tren, but it grows back. One week on winny, i quit, but the hairs I lost never grew back.

Just a guy · 12-31-2003, 01:26 PM

100mg?? for real? u think i should try that?? doing 75 right now... How would u split that up during the day.... i have heard Half in AM half in PM.... does it really matter.... or can i just take Half of a 50mg pill 4 times a day....

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 01:29 PM

If you read his post man he would be sentencing you to pain. Some people CAN run 100mg every day, some cannot. Legend says Ben Johnson was running 150mg a day, but who knows.

However, I'm talking injectable here, not oral.

Just a guy · 12-31-2003, 01:38 PM

what does he meen that the SEVERE joint pain is not real???

Just a guy · 12-31-2003, 01:41 PM

soo00...100mg... or 75mg.... Fuq if i know

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 01:44 PM

It would not be real if you did not experience severe joint pain, that is all he is saying, I believe he was more responding to my quoted post on the sides of Winstrol.

I would run what you feel like running man.

Just a guy · 12-31-2003, 02:31 PM

75 i guess.... 700mg's a week of Winny sounds like WAY too much

prolangtum · 12-31-2003, 02:50 PM

Yes joint pain is real. No, I wasnt advocating 100mgs a day. 50mgs a day is plenty, even at that joint pain is highly likely.

Just a guy · 12-31-2003, 02:56 PM

like how bad is the joint pain... i meen i already got joint pain.... but i can deal with it

Just a guy · 12-31-2003, 02:59 PM

how long can u run the tabs.... safely that is

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 03:01 PM

You already have joint pain and you are using winstrol? Interesting.

I have some joint pain just taking accutane and I hate it, drops my poundages back to avoid the pain.

Just a guy · 12-31-2003, 03:49 PM

mudge could you explain that quote or motto u have...

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 04:02 PM

It is a Zen quote, from a book recommended by the monsterous 410 pound Trevor Smith. See interview here:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trevorsmith.htm

http://www.ibiblio.org/zen/

A Hindu story tells of a fish who asked of another fish: "I have always heard about the sea, but what is it? Where is it?" The other fish replied: "You live, move and have your being in the sea. The sea is within you and without you, and you are made of sea, and you will end in sea. The sea surrounds you as your own being." The only true answer is the one that you find for youself.

Think "Matrix"

From the Zen Master to the Swordsman, deals naturally with some sword fighting Zen techniques. If one is to preoccupy himself with the thought of being pierced by his enemies sword, it is likely to happen.

You could also think about the particular quote in terms of a blind man, who hears everything around him. When you lose the senses, you often gain elsewhere - people sometimes retain information better when there are reduced sensory inputs. When distracting visuals are used, it may be, well - distracting when trying to teach a lesson verbally.

The same goes for race driving which I do some of (not professionally), when you corner, you dont pay attention to the corner - let your natural instinct handle it while you pay attention to where you want to end up, not where you are now.

If you pay attention to where you do not want to be or what you do not want to happen, it will come to pass.

Just a guy · 12-31-2003, 05:33 PM

I HEAR YA...very nice...., When they say take Winny in the AM and the PM do they meen right before u go to sleep... or not...

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 06:28 PM

When you feel like, but the idea is to stretch it out because of its half life.

ST240 · 12-31-2003, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Just a guy
So FUQING tired of being bloated while on D-bol... 50mg's a day.... so my last couple of weeks of Kick starting im throwing in 75MG of Winstrol Tabs.... Let me know your input

you stacking that d-bol with anything??

also how long you been doing that

i was thinking of trying that myself.... either that or m1t

Just a guy · 01-01-2004, 10:22 AM

Man im on 800Mg's Test Cyp and 600mg's Equipoise

ST240 · 01-01-2004, 02:54 PM

oh...my friend tried d-bol alone and said he gained 40 pounds then kept 20 of it.

anyone else think thats true?

**Mudge** · 01-01-2004, 03:17 PM

That sounds healthy

I dunno man, if you cant trust your own friend, then its probably not true. It would be highly abnormal for someone to gain 40 pounds from dbol unless he was on high doses for a good long time.

My personal opinion, if you are afraid of needles then you should be afraid for your liver just as well. Inject or go home

BUSTINOUT · 01-01-2004, 04:53 PM

AMEN!

**Mudge** · 01-01-2004, 05:00 PM

Damn I can't even imagine what my blood pressure would be like if I went from 230 to 270 in a couple months!

Talk about asking for an early grave.

Fast gains are cool, but even 15 pounds in a month is half a pound a day! That is fast.

ST240 · 01-01-2004, 09:53 PM

yeah ok im pretty sure i have that wrong guys

i think it might have been something like 30 to 15

**Mudge** · 01-01-2004, 09:55 PM

30 is on the high end of any 'normal' cycle kind of gain, usually that consists of 3 items to get there, maybe 2, depending what is used, how much and for how long and of course the DIET.

Power Rabbit · 01-01-2004, 11:14 PM

I wouldnt dbol by its self.....

Id do test and dbol .....or test and tren.....or test and drol....or .......test and test :-P

basically run test with any cycle...

bkw1966 · 01-02-2004, 07:53 AM

If you add 25-50mg ed of proviron, that will cut down on some water retention, helps tremendously, it did for me. You can keep some gains from dbol if your training hard, eating right and getting the right amount of rest, don't abuse your body it will take care of you. My last cycle was 30mg ed of dbol and winny for 8 weeks, worked real nice, I'm 4 weeks post cycle and have kept about 9 pounds, most of which is muscle gains.

Mikhal · 01-07-2004, 01:52 AM

Quote:

My personal opinion, if you are afraid of needles then you should be afraid for your liver just as well. Inject or go home

I'm feel'n ya! Keep sprinkle'n Mudge! Well spoken "if you can't handle the spike, take a hike! yeah yeah! PEACE

12-30-2003, 06:25 PM	#1
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	D-bol's out.... Winstrol's in So FUQING tired of being bloated while on D-bol... 50mg's a day.... so my last couple of weeks of Kick starting im throwing in 75MG of Winstrol Tabs.... Let me know your input

12-31-2003, 10:31 AM	#3
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	i felt it rite when i popped the pill.... made me feel dehydrated tho... CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

12-31-2003, 12:54 PM	#5
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	Try 100mgs ed of winny. If you dont have severe joint pain, it isnt real. Winstrol is horrid on the hairline, at least for me. I always loose a bit of hair when on tren, but it grows back. One week on winny, i quit, but the hairs I lost never grew back. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-31-2003, 01:26 PM	#6
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	100mg?? for real? u think i should try that?? doing 75 right now... How would u split that up during the day.... i have heard Half in AM half in PM.... does it really matter.... or can i just take Half of a 50mg pill 4 times a day.... CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

12-31-2003, 01:29 PM	#7
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	If you read his post man he would be sentencing you to pain. Some people CAN run 100mg every day, some cannot. Legend says Ben Johnson was running 150mg a day, but who knows. However, I'm talking injectable here, not oral. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-30-2003, 07:05 PM	#2
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	not hear too many cycles with winny in the front load....how long does winny take to jump in? 4-5 days and ur feelin the dbol

12-31-2003, 01:38 PM	#8
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	what does he meen that the SEVERE joint pain is not real??? CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

12-31-2003, 01:41 PM	#9
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	soo00...100mg... or 75mg.... Fuq if i know CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

12-31-2003, 01:44 PM	#10
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	It would not be real if you did not experience severe joint pain, that is all he is saying, I believe he was more responding to my quoted post on the sides of Winstrol. I would run what you feel like running man. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-31-2003, 02:31 PM	#11
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	75 i guess.... 700mg's a week of Winny sounds like WAY too much CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

12-31-2003, 02:50 PM	#12
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	Yes joint pain is real. No, I wasnt advocating 100mgs a day. 50mgs a day is plenty, even at that joint pain is highly likely. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-31-2003, 02:56 PM	#13
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	like how bad is the joint pain... i meen i already got joint pain.... but i can deal with it CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

12-31-2003, 02:59 PM	#14
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	how long can u run the tabs.... safely that is CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

12-31-2003, 03:01 PM	#15
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	You already have joint pain and you are using winstrol? Interesting. I have some joint pain just taking accutane and I hate it, drops my poundages back to avoid the pain. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-31-2003, 03:49 PM	#16
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	mudge could you explain that quote or motto u have... CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

12-31-2003, 04:02 PM	#17
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	It is a Zen quote, from a book recommended by the monsterous 410 pound Trevor Smith. See interview here: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trevorsmith.htm http://www.ibiblio.org/zen/ A Hindu story tells of a fish who asked of another fish: "I have always heard about the sea, but what is it? Where is it?" The other fish replied: "You live, move and have your being in the sea. The sea is within you and without you, and you are made of sea, and you will end in sea. The sea surrounds you as your own being." The only true answer is the one that you find for youself. Think "Matrix" From the Zen Master to the Swordsman, deals naturally with some sword fighting Zen techniques. If one is to preoccupy himself with the thought of being pierced by his enemies sword, it is likely to happen. You could also think about the particular quote in terms of a blind man, who hears everything around him. When you lose the senses, you often gain elsewhere - people sometimes retain information better when there are reduced sensory inputs. When distracting visuals are used, it may be, well - distracting when trying to teach a lesson verbally. The same goes for race driving which I do some of (not professionally), when you corner, you dont pay attention to the corner - let your natural instinct handle it while you pay attention to where you want to end up, not where you are now. If you pay attention to where you do not want to be or what you do not want to happen, it will come to pass. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-31-2003, 05:33 PM	#18
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	I HEAR YA...very nice...., When they say take Winny in the AM and the PM do they meen right before u go to sleep... or not... CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

12-31-2003, 06:28 PM	#19
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	When you feel like, but the idea is to stretch it out because of its half life. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

01-01-2004, 10:22 AM	#21
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	Man im on 800Mg's Test Cyp and 600mg's Equipoise CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

01-01-2004, 02:54 PM	#22
ST240 ...And justice for all. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,390	oh...my friend tried d-bol alone and said he gained 40 pounds then kept 20 of it. anyone else think thats true?

01-01-2004, 03:17 PM	#23
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	That sounds healthy I dunno man, if you cant trust your own friend, then its probably not true. It would be highly abnormal for someone to gain 40 pounds from dbol unless he was on high doses for a good long time. My personal opinion, if you are afraid of needles then you should be afraid for your liver just as well. Inject or go home Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

01-01-2004, 04:53 PM	#24
BUSTINOUT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,418	AMEN!

01-01-2004, 05:00 PM	#25
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Damn I can't even imagine what my blood pressure would be like if I went from 230 to 270 in a couple months! Talk about asking for an early grave. Fast gains are cool, but even 15 pounds in a month is half a pound a day! That is fast. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

01-01-2004, 09:53 PM	#26
ST240 ...And justice for all. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,390	yeah ok im pretty sure i have that wrong guys i think it might have been something like 30 to 15

01-01-2004, 09:55 PM	#27
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	30 is on the high end of any 'normal' cycle kind of gain, usually that consists of 3 items to get there, maybe 2, depending what is used, how much and for how long and of course the DIET. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

01-01-2004, 11:14 PM	#28
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	I wouldnt dbol by its self..... Id do test and dbol .....or test and tren.....or test and drol....or .......test and test :-P basically run test with any cycle...

01-02-2004, 07:53 AM	#29
bkw1966 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: indiana Posts: 19 Photos: 1	If you add 25-50mg ed of proviron, that will cut down on some water retention, helps tremendously, it did for me. You can keep some gains from dbol if your training hard, eating right and getting the right amount of rest, don't abuse your body it will take care of you. My last cycle was 30mg ed of dbol and winny for 8 weeks, worked real nice, I'm 4 weeks post cycle and have kept about 9 pounds, most of which is muscle gains.

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