Does anyone else feel like there addicted to steroids

Just a guy · 01-03-2004, 05:19 PM

do ya?

plouffe · 01-03-2004, 05:55 PM

I've never takin steroids -- But I could imagine if I were to get amazing results by taking them ( along with proper diet and training ) Yes, I'd say I would be somewhat addicted to steroids.

bandaidwoman · 01-03-2004, 06:10 PM

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JAMA. 1990 Apr 18;263(15):2048-9.

Hooked on hormones? An anabolic steroid addiction hypothesis.

Kashkin KB, Kleber HD.

Substance Abuse Treatment Unit, Connecticut Mental Health Center, New Haven.

Widespread illicit anabolic steroid use has recently been reported. A review of available evidence suggests that elevations of serum levels of steroid hormones, including anabolic steroids, have profound psychological effects. Long-term, high-dose anabolic steroid use may lead to a preoccupation with drug use, difficulty stopping despite psychological side effects, and drug craving. Reductions in serum levels of steroid hormones appear to result in acute hyperadrenergic withdrawal symptoms that respond to steroid replacement or to agents that also ameliorate withdrawal symptoms in alcohol and opioid dependence. A delayed depression syndrome when serum steroid levels drop precipitously has been reported that appears similar to that observed in withdrawing cocaine-dependent individuals. We conclude that a proportion of anabolic steroid abusers may develop a previously unrecognized sex steroid hormone-dependence disorder and that treatment should be based on research into steroid effects on opioid and aminergic neurotransmission systems and relapse prevention.

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PMID: 2681859 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Just some info.

QuestionGuy · 01-03-2004, 06:47 PM

damn, bandaid woman has always these smart answers for us aon whatever it is.... lol, hang around here ok ?

MeatheadSam · 01-03-2004, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by plouffe
I've never takin steroids -- But I could imagine if I were to get amazing results by taking them ( along with proper diet and training ) Yes, I'd say I would be somewhat addicted to steroids.

My fear of addiction to their results was what always kept me from using. I also fear the health risks but it is the extraordinary growth that would probably hook me.

plouffe · 01-03-2004, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by QuestionGuy
damn, bandaid woman has always these smart answers for us aon whatever it is.... lol, hang around here ok ?

Amen.

**Mudge** · 01-03-2004, 08:15 PM

Almost any drug can be a 'gateway drug,' certainly steroids are no exception. Some people have lost thier lives going onto other things after starting with gear, and it gets some people over thier fear of needles, opening the door for things like heroin for anyone stupid enough.

What Sam said is a good thing for anyone to think about, if you dont think you can control yourself or would rather not open the door, then dont.

Power Rabbit · 01-04-2004, 12:57 AM

Just make sure your cheap...when your tight fisted with your cash its alittle harder for addiction to take hold..

**Mudge** · 01-04-2004, 01:09 AM

I am cheap. I spend money effectively to get what I want.

BUSTINOUT · 01-04-2004, 01:19 AM

Nope never felt addicted. I contemplated long and hard before my first injection back in 1990. Been clean for nearly 2 years now and when I do go back on, it will be for specific reasons...not addiction.

maddog1 · 01-07-2004, 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by Just a guy
do ya?

If you do, you need to address some deep rooted issues beyond health and fitness.

Flex · 01-07-2004, 10:06 AM

not addicted (...yet), but already stocked up for the future......

**Prince** · 01-07-2004, 10:26 AM

I feel that I am addicted to PH's, does that count?

Flex · 01-07-2004, 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by Prince
I feel that I am addicted to PH's, does that count?

well hey, at least its not crack

i dont think ph's will kill ya bud.........we all wanna take whatever will get us the best physique we can have. plus, ph's are roids, so thats good......

maddog1 · 02-15-2004, 08:51 AM

This is why Just a Guy needs to get off steroids. He is just a High School kid (That can't seem to graduate high school). This kid is the poster boy for when the President says steroids are bad for America's youth.

Just a Guy - You need to turn yourself into a school counselor, a friendly cop (dg is down your way - I'm sure he can get you some help.)

maddog1 · 02-15-2004, 08:54 AM

On the flipside - to responsible AAS users, this kid is a train wreck waiting to happen and when it does, the parents will undoubtedly find the steroids and blame it on them. Maybe they'll find this site cookied on his machine, access his account and see that people have been giving him advice and come after the site or its owner.

Just a guy · 02-15-2004, 09:44 AM

Fucker... are u still talkin? Man i want to run in 2 u one day... Because honestly you sound like a Weak peice of shit... I get lab tests done EVERY month... im healthy as a horse... i will GLADLY whoop ur ass... Responsible AAS user.... son of a bitch.. thats what i try to be.. im using every protectant i can get my hands on... I go to the doc if one thing messes up... but u know what the doc said to me.... Your on roids?? I see your big and everything but your Cholesterol and everything is in normal range.... So maddog u have pissed me off ENOUGH to where im at the point where i want to hunt u down and whoop the shit out of u... What have u accomplished? Not shit... SO quit talkin.... This is why i have been in and out of jail... Because of Fuqers like u talkin shit... Sorry to all of the mods here and everyone reading this... but I cant take no more of this guys shit... I think he jealous heh

Just a guy · 02-15-2004, 10:03 AM

So when i said addicted... do u think i start shaking and going into DT's because i havent had a shot today? No im addicted to the sense that i like the gains i''ve been getting... and dont want them to stop... train wreck?? by far that is what im not.... Yes i ask fellow Roiders if they have had a certain problem that i have had so maybe i dont have to go to the doc... all im doin is tryin to be safe and ask questions... i dont like being pissed off... because i embarass my self when im pissed.. and/or i go to jail...

So maddog... if u ever see a thread of mine... or anything where im tryin to get other Roiders opinions on something DONT PUT MY NAME IN UR MOUTH...

See now if mudge said i was a train wreck.. i would KNOW something is wrong because he knows his shit... but u my man.. dont know nothing...

plouffe · 02-15-2004, 12:19 PM

hehe.

MarcusMaximus · 02-15-2004, 01:06 PM

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Comment in:
JAMA. 1990 Apr 18;263(15):2048-9.

Hooked on hormones? An anabolic steroid addiction hypothesis.

Kashkin KB, Kleber HD.

Substance Abuse Treatment Unit, Connecticut Mental Health Center, New Haven.

1. Widespread illicit anabolic steroid.......
2. Long-term, high-dose anabolic steroid use MAY lead to a preoccupation with drug use, difficulty stopping despite psychological side effects, and drug craving.
3. A delayed depression syndrome when serum steroid levels drop PRECIPITOUSLY has been reported that appears similar to that observed in withdrawing cocaine-dependent individuals.

4 We conclude that a PROPORTION of anabolic steroid abusers may develop a previously unrecognized sex steroid hormone-dependence disorder and that treatment should be based on research into steroid effects on opioid and aminergic neurotransmission systems and relapse prevention.

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PMID: 2681859 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Originally posted by bandaidwoman [/b]
Just some info.

This is not directed to bandaid woman. merely to point out that there are some flaws in that particular article that many of you have noticed.

1. Define widespread,
2 the waffle word "may" is very interesting. anyone involved with politics will know the contextual meaning of "waffle" . it use limits the impact of whatever comes after. this way, the authors or politician has his/her ass covered whenever something goes amiss from the hyposthesis.
3 Define what proportion falls under that category.
4. Seems what they did was STOP IMMEDIATELY with no tapering. not a very intelligent method and this type of study is designed specifically to prove a PRE HOC hypothesis.
As this is an abstract from an JAMA archive, i will go through my own refereneces. I can't see how this alleged proportion be any higher or lower than the percentage of people who get hooked on other drugs prescribed by medical prac.

comparing steroid use to cocaine is a specious argument. This again, simply plays to the public fear ( unfounded ) that steroid use goes hand and hand with cocaine use. it may happen that the two coincide in a certain percentage of the population yet it would appear more likely that steroid DEALERS also deal cocaine. So the gateway drug may be AAS but not for the user but for the dealer.

People who are unable to control their anger have that anger amplified while on does of steroids that result in supra-physiological level of androgen hormones. I think that one of the posters in this thread has succinctly shown that point quite well!

maddog1 · 02-15-2004, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Just a guy
So maddog u have pissed me off ENOUGH to where im at the point where i want to hunt u down and whoop the shit out of u... What have u accomplished? Not shit... SO quit talkin.... This is why i have been in and out of jail... Because of Fuqers like u talkin shit... Sorry to all of the mods here and everyone reading this... but I cant take no more of this guys shit... I think he jealous heh

Please come and get me.

What have I accomplished... By getting you to prove for me that you are a lunatic on steroids. Good work.

maddog1 · 02-15-2004, 02:25 PM

If you are going to hang out on these boards, you should change your handle to "Just a Kid" so that people won't give you advice.

If you look at my other posts, I said I was concerned for you.
Then to find out that you are a teenager, makes me realize that you are in worse shape than I thought you were in.
You need help and you need it quickly.
I you take that as an insult then you must be in denial.

Just a guy · 02-15-2004, 03:19 PM

How do u know i need help? u have never met me... i have always been like this... im not a LUNATIC on steroids... im prolly a lunatic anywayz.... Your are not tryin to act concerned.. your tryin to act like an ass... everyone of your post are very critical and not "Suporting", but im 19 bout to be 20... so im old enough... im already supposed to be in my 2nd year of college... SO maddog... kiss my ass... Dont try to act like the nice guy...

plouffe · 02-15-2004, 03:20 PM

You need help and you need it quickly. - I wouldn't go that far.. It's not that detrimental to his health.

Just a guy · 02-15-2004, 03:24 PM

and by the way maddog... i dont live with my parents.. So why would they have anything to do with this... Im not a fuckin youngin.... I do my own shit.. make my own decisions... now get your ass in a gym and start lifting like a man and quit actin like a pussy... and quit judging...

Just a guy · 02-15-2004, 03:24 PM

exactly... i mite be a little aggressive but i dont need a straight jacket

01-03-2004, 05:19 PM	#1
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	Does anyone else feel like there addicted to steroids do ya?

01-03-2004, 05:55 PM	#2
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	I've never takin steroids -- But I could imagine if I were to get amazing results by taking them ( along with proper diet and training ) Yes, I'd say I would be somewhat addicted to steroids.
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01-03-2004, 06:47 PM	#4
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01-03-2004, 08:15 PM	#7
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Almost any drug can be a 'gateway drug,' certainly steroids are no exception. Some people have lost thier lives going onto other things after starting with gear, and it gets some people over thier fear of needles, opening the door for things like heroin for anyone stupid enough. What Sam said is a good thing for anyone to think about, if you dont think you can control yourself or would rather not open the door, then dont.
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01-04-2004, 01:09 AM	#9
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I am cheap. I spend money effectively to get what I want.
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01-04-2004, 12:57 AM	#8
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	Just make sure your cheap...when your tight fisted with your cash its alittle harder for addiction to take hold..

01-04-2004, 01:19 AM	#10
BUSTINOUT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,418	Nope never felt addicted. I contemplated long and hard before my first injection back in 1990. Been clean for nearly 2 years now and when I do go back on, it will be for specific reasons...not addiction.

01-07-2004, 10:06 AM	#12
Flex FLEXecutioner Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pomping Iyuhn Posts: 6,278 Photos: 2	not addicted (...yet), but already stocked up for the future......
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01-07-2004, 10:26 AM	#13
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,992 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	I feel that I am addicted to PH's, does that count?
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02-15-2004, 08:51 AM	#15
maddog1 Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 313	This is why Just a Guy needs to get off steroids. He is just a High School kid (That can't seem to graduate high school). This kid is the poster boy for when the President says steroids are bad for America's youth. Just a Guy - You need to turn yourself into a school counselor, a friendly cop (dg is down your way - I'm sure he can get you some help.)
	Success is measured not by the position that one has reached in life, rather by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed. Booker T. Washington

02-15-2004, 08:54 AM	#16
maddog1 Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 313	On the flipside - to responsible AAS users, this kid is a train wreck waiting to happen and when it does, the parents will undoubtedly find the steroids and blame it on them. Maybe they'll find this site cookied on his machine, access his account and see that people have been giving him advice and come after the site or its owner.
	Success is measured not by the position that one has reached in life, rather by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed. Booker T. Washington

02-15-2004, 09:44 AM	#17
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	Fucker... are u still talkin? Man i want to run in 2 u one day... Because honestly you sound like a Weak peice of shit... I get lab tests done EVERY month... im healthy as a horse... i will GLADLY whoop ur ass... Responsible AAS user.... son of a bitch.. thats what i try to be.. im using every protectant i can get my hands on... I go to the doc if one thing messes up... but u know what the doc said to me.... Your on roids?? I see your big and everything but your Cholesterol and everything is in normal range.... So maddog u have pissed me off ENOUGH to where im at the point where i want to hunt u down and whoop the shit out of u... What have u accomplished? Not shit... SO quit talkin.... This is why i have been in and out of jail... Because of Fuqers like u talkin shit... Sorry to all of the mods here and everyone reading this... but I cant take no more of this guys shit... I think he jealous heh Last edited by Just a guy : 02-15-2004 at 09:55 AM.

02-15-2004, 10:03 AM	#18
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	So when i said addicted... do u think i start shaking and going into DT's because i havent had a shot today? No im addicted to the sense that i like the gains i''ve been getting... and dont want them to stop... train wreck?? by far that is what im not.... Yes i ask fellow Roiders if they have had a certain problem that i have had so maybe i dont have to go to the doc... all im doin is tryin to be safe and ask questions... i dont like being pissed off... because i embarass my self when im pissed.. and/or i go to jail... So maddog... if u ever see a thread of mine... or anything where im tryin to get other Roiders opinions on something DONT PUT MY NAME IN UR MOUTH... See now if mudge said i was a train wreck.. i would KNOW something is wrong because he knows his shit... but u my man.. dont know nothing...

02-15-2004, 12:19 PM	#19
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	hehe.
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02-15-2004, 02:25 PM	#22
maddog1 Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 313	If you are going to hang out on these boards, you should change your handle to "Just a Kid" so that people won't give you advice. If you look at my other posts, I said I was concerned for you. Then to find out that you are a teenager, makes me realize that you are in worse shape than I thought you were in. You need help and you need it quickly. I you take that as an insult then you must be in denial.
	Success is measured not by the position that one has reached in life, rather by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed. Booker T. Washington

02-15-2004, 03:19 PM	#23
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	How do u know i need help? u have never met me... i have always been like this... im not a LUNATIC on steroids... im prolly a lunatic anywayz.... Your are not tryin to act concerned.. your tryin to act like an ass... everyone of your post are very critical and not "Suporting", but im 19 bout to be 20... so im old enough... im already supposed to be in my 2nd year of college... SO maddog... kiss my ass... Dont try to act like the nice guy...

02-15-2004, 03:20 PM	#24
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	You need help and you need it quickly. - I wouldn't go that far.. It's not that detrimental to his health.
	These are my favorite faces : - - - Personal Bests: Bench - 235 Deadlift - 315 X 17 Squat - 315 X 11 40 yrd. - 4.65

02-15-2004, 03:24 PM	#25
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	and by the way maddog... i dont live with my parents.. So why would they have anything to do with this... Im not a fuckin youngin.... I do my own shit.. make my own decisions... now get your ass in a gym and start lifting like a man and quit actin like a pussy... and quit judging...