tpopdeyex

I was wondering if this would be a good cycle

Test Enthanate Decabol Clenbuterol HCG
500 500
500 500
500 500
500 750
500 750
500 500
500 500
250 500 Start
Finish
5000
5000

Power Rabbit

I hope that the hcg is not your only PCT. And 8 weeks is kinda short since test ent takes like 3 weeks to kick in.

Mudge

HCG does not make a post cycle drug by itself, its best purpose is to avoid testicular atrophy.

500iu twice a week during cycle.

I dont believe in tapering doses on such a standard (short) cycle.

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tpopdeyex

Using test enthanate and decanbol , what do u think u is a good cycle

Mudge

500-600 test, 300-500 deca weekly, 10 weeks IMO. You can drop the deca after the 8th week if you want, since it is so hard on most peoples recouperation as well as erectile functionality.

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tpopdeyex

So 500 Decabol and 500 Test enthanate a week is good , should i add the clenbuterol at all

Mudge

I wouldn't until you go on a cutting diet, and deca is not a cutting drug.

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tpopdeyex

Can i do
Decabol
500
500
500
750
750
500
500
500

test enthanate
500
500
500
750
750
500
500
500

with proviron from weeks 4-7
and do the clenbuterol weeks 7-8 and 11-12 with the clomid
because clen is also supposed to help solidify gains while dropping my body fat

prolangtum

No drug solidifies gains. Thats a myth. Why the pyramiding of doses? If anything, double dosage in week 1 of both deca and Test (1 gram each) than run 500 the rest of the cycle. The eth and Deca will build up, and than your going to be dosing higher when they are built up at their peak, your hormone levels will be nuts midcycle. I would frontload, and keep hormone levels homogenous throughout the cycle. Pyramiding is pretty old school.

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tpopdeyex

so i should just do like 1000 of each for the fist week and 500 for both the rest, and what should i do with the clen

Mudge

Save it for a damn cutting cycle.

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tpopdeyex

so i should frontload both and just stick with 500 the whole way and then the proviron and clomid at the end

prolangtum

yes

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tpopdeyex

how much to u think u can gain from a cycle like this , and will this help decrease body fat, and do u think with the test being level with the deca do u think deca dick can occur

Mudge

Dude there is no way to answer that question. How much you gain depends on your genetics and your diet, that is up to you, not the drugs.

Deca dick, that depends on you, some people get it easily, some dont. Some people can run 400mg of deca a week by itself and not get it, some people can run twice the testosterone and still get it.

Nothing will help decrease bodyfat without proper diet perhaps save DNP or usnic acid, where you can eat pizza and still lose bodyfat.

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tpopdeyex

overall do you think this is a pretty good stack

tpopdeyex

or what can i do to make it better

Power Rabbit

well you dont have your HCG there any more..its good for blasting your self back to natural test production..If you have already bought it either add that to the end of your cycle just before post(never during post) or at a point mid cycle....and I dont think 2 weeks is enough of a post...some people have posted that they dont fully recover till 3-4 weeks out(espicially with deca)...run that clomid alittle longer

oh and the 5000 iu a week of HCG dosent seem to be the best way of doin it...Like most cases your more stable if you jab more...try 500-1000 ed...or 2000 eod

tpopdeyex

I dont have the HCG, is it necessary, but i have clomid , so i should wait 2 weeks and then do the clomid for like 3-4 weeks

Mudge

HCG is kept low dose 500iu at a time to avoid aromitization which Dr JMW believes is what causes death to the leydig cells. I have run it 1000iu EOD before though to avoid daily jabs. HCG is not neccessary, but it helps greatly speed recovery for me at least.

Clomid for 4 weeks sounds good, if you can stand it. More than a week at 100mg or greater and I start getting very poor moods.

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Power Rabbit

honestly bro your asking alot of things that tell me you dont have a solid footing on gear..I think you should research a bit more...

Take a look at the pics on this thread. Its what can happen if you are not fully ready to use gear, or are even prepaired and are very sensitive to side effects... http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...threadid=205886


Steroid Time after
last administration Length of
Clomid Cycle
Anadrol50/Anapolan50: 8 - 12 hours 3 weeks
Deca durabolan: 3 weeks 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours 3 weeks
Equipoise: 17 - 21 days 3 weeks
Finajet/Trenbolone: 3 days 3 weeks
Primabolan depot: 10 - 14 days 2 weeks
Sustanon: 3 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron: 2 weeks 3 weeks
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days 3 weeks
Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours 2-3 weeks
Winstrol 8 - 12 hours 2-3 weeks


taken from http://www.basskilleronline.com/clomid_hcg.html

tpopdeyex

should i do like 100 for the first week then just do 50 for the last three

tpopdeyex

this is my second cycle my last cycle was sus and dbol with clomid at the end and i gained 12 pounds and kept all of it

im just trying to find out what you guys think would be the best for this nest cycle

Mudge

I would run higher dose for the first two weeks, and then lower it for the last 2-4. I would also consider nolvadex next time, but if you react well to clomid then you can run whatever you like.

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tpopdeyex

You would run nolvadex at the end of the cycle instead of clomid

tpopdeyex

since im goin to frontload it 1000 decabol and 1000 test enthanate how should i shoot it the first week

tpopdeyex

and should I test enthanate for another two weeks at 500,
sry about all the questions, im just tryin to figure out what will be the best cycle

Mudge

You can run it as long as you like, its up to you. Not sure what you mean by "best," you would have to define it.

Best in terms of gains means being on for the rest of your life.

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tpopdeyex

obv i know that, how should i shoot the first week with each being 1000mg

tpopdeyex

and would u run nolvadex at the end of the cycle instead of clomid