HORRIBLE joint pain... is deca the cure?

Just a guy · 01-11-2004, 04:29 PM

I quit winstrol like 2 weeks ago.. and went back on D-bol with my 1000mg's of Test and 600mg's Of equipoise. But jesus... today i put 350 on the bench and did it 5 times.. and my left shoulder and Elbow was hurting perfusely... and shaking violently.... Im fine now.. but it cut my workout time in half... and that Really... REALLY pisses me off.... in your opinion do you think it would be a wise idea to throw in a small amount of Deca... like 200-300mg's a week... thats about all i can fit in my 3ML syringe's... I got 8 ML of 300mg/ml Deca just sitting around.... good idea? bad idea?

I know deca is notorious for Making pain free Workouts because it lubes your joints... thats why i want to throw it in

**Mudge** · 01-11-2004, 04:40 PM

Now you know why I never f#cking touch Winstrol. Not only the pain aspect but I really need to tear my tendons up just like I need a second asshole.

Yes, deca works, it has cured me of my accutane problems.

Just a guy · 01-11-2004, 04:57 PM

so that is a ok idea... even with all of the equipoise im on? What would be a decent dose

**Mudge** · 01-11-2004, 07:04 PM

200mg+ weekly.

gr81 · 01-11-2004, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Just a guy
so that is a ok idea... even with all of the equipoise im on? What would be a decent dose

there i no need to run the EQ anbd Deca at the same time IMO. They both accomplish relatively teh same thing when it comes to the joint pain. How about taking it easy and listening to your body instead of lookin to a drug for the cure? Either that or you could load up on nubain.. lol

**Mudge** · 01-11-2004, 07:34 PM

I haven't heard anyone really say EQ helped thier joints at all, but maybe there are a few freaks out there.

gr81 · 01-11-2004, 07:38 PM

I have read articles mentioning both deca and EQ as beneficial for the joints. unfortunately I don't have a link off hand. I will try and dig it up though.

**Mudge** · 01-11-2004, 07:45 PM

I have read that EQ will help with collagen synthesis, but thats a long term thing, not water in the joints though.

gr81 · 01-11-2004, 08:22 PM

but doesn't Collagen syn factor in with helping deal with joints when running higher levels of test along with it?

**Mudge** · 01-11-2004, 08:25 PM

Over a long period of time sure, like glucosamine chondroitin, it will not work instantly like MSM (supposedly) will.

Power Rabbit · 01-11-2004, 09:29 PM

woah nubian...thats some crazy shit...wouldnt touch it...hear its addictive as hell

gr81 · 01-11-2004, 09:48 PM

I have taken the bain a few times, I really wasn't too impressed by it. I don't think its physically addictive as much as it can mentally be addictive to someone like a BB who has aches and pains all the time. I do know a buddy who got real into the shit though, he was addicted to it in every sense of the word. He would suck down a whole bottle of the shit by afternoon time!! Thats crazy shit. The shit ain't for me though. If you have injuries htough I would stay away from it b/c once youo have that one pain free WO, you are gonna want it again and before you know it you will be slammin that shit daily!

ST240 · 01-12-2004, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Over a long period of time sure, like glucosamine chondroitin, it will not work instantly like MSM (supposedly) will.

i picked up some glucosamine but its without the chondroitin.... Then i heard from my physio that you dont really need the chondroitin because your body makes enough on its own....

Is this true?

**Mudge** · 01-13-2004, 11:34 AM

http://www.consumerlab.com/results/gluco.asp

Quote:

Quality Concerns and What CL Tested for:
Glucosamine and Chondroitin:
Chondroitin is an expensive material, so experts have been concerned about the quality and quantity of the ingredient in supplements. Because chondroitin typically comes from cow cartilage, an additional concern has been whether the products may be contaminated with bovine spongiform encephalitis, the causative agent (a "prion") of Mad Cow Disease. The risk, however, seems to be miniscule for several reasons: First, the chondroitin would have to come from an infected cow, of which none have been reported in the United States. However, imports of chondroitin haven't received the same scrutiny as meat products. Second, the prion is known to exist only in very low levels in cartilage; it's most abundant in nervous and glandular tissues. Third, some manufacturers have stated that the process used to make chondroitin supplements should inactivate the prion — although this hasn't been shown conclusively. Unfortunately, there's no simple way to test for BSE prion contamination in supplements, so products in this review weren't evaluated for contamination.

What CL Found:
Among the products that ConsumerLab.com selected and tested, problems were found only among combination products, four of which were low in chondroitin sulfate — a particularly expensive ingredient. These four products are listed as "Not Approved" in the table below and had the following short-comings:
One product, for human use, claimed to contain 500 mg per serving of "Chondroitin sulfate complex" which ConsumerLab.com's testing showed to contain less than 90 mg of chondroitin sulfate — only 18% of the 500 milligrams. ConsumerLab.com has cautioned consumers in the past to be wary of supplements with ingredients that include words such as "complex," "formula," or "blend" when the weight of each component is not listed. While it may be legal for a manufacturer to use these terms, ConsumerLab.com often finds such information misleading to consumers.
A second product for human use contained less than 85% of its claimed chondroitin sulfate.
Shockingly, no chondroitin sulfate could be detected in two pet supplements despite each displaying a "guaranteed analysis" showing a significant amount of chondroitin sulfate.

http://www.cspinet.org/nah/arthritis.html

http://nccam.nih.gov/news/19972000/121100/qa.htm

http://www.arthritis-glucosamine.net...ondroitin.html

Quote:

"We found that glucosamine, given alone had a moderate effect on symptoms. It seemed to help at least half of those who took it," says McAlindon. "Chondroitin alone had an even greater effect on pain relief."

I'm just going to guess based on my quick searching, that nobody agrees as usual

Power Rabbit · 01-13-2004, 12:12 PM

my mom has joint pain and swears by msm...I myself am too young to have joint pain yet...and i dont wanna blow money on a supp for it till I get it...

**Mudge** · 01-13-2004, 12:21 PM

Nothing wrong with prevention man, nothing wrong at all I feel. By the time it happens that is a sign that you have already worn something away that you shouldn't have unless its the case of low water, but low water means you are grinding that shyt away which is why I think winstrol is the f#cking devil, send that shyt to hell.

I dont compete and its not in my plans, I dont want to be in my 50s and can't even play golf. Obviously I am a bit of an ass about it, I just think winstrol is a waste, control your diet that should give you detail enough. Accutane is a killer but it gives me what B5 can't, winstrols benefits are something I can get elsewhere.

www.puritans.com is who I get my supplements from lately.

Power Rabbit · 01-13-2004, 12:33 PM

I guess i might look into it....

as for winny...there are alot other things that i think would be cooler for cutting than winny...tren and masteron look like the money cutters to me...

**Mudge** · 01-13-2004, 01:15 PM

Tren is great.

Mikhal · 01-14-2004, 02:07 AM

When was the last time you seen some REAL masteron?

Power Rabbit · 01-14-2004, 02:41 PM

3 secs ago as i looked over at my 20 ccs of QGL masteron :-P

**Mudge** · 01-14-2004, 03:16 PM

The raw powder is out there, someone is using it.

crackerjack414 · 01-14-2004, 06:09 PM

masterone is about so it parabolin but personaly i have no need for exzotic compounds and would rather spend my money on gh tren test etc

01-11-2004, 04:29 PM	#1
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	HORRIBLE joint pain... is deca the cure? I quit winstrol like 2 weeks ago.. and went back on D-bol with my 1000mg's of Test and 600mg's Of equipoise. But jesus... today i put 350 on the bench and did it 5 times.. and my left shoulder and Elbow was hurting perfusely... and shaking violently.... Im fine now.. but it cut my workout time in half... and that Really... REALLY pisses me off.... in your opinion do you think it would be a wise idea to throw in a small amount of Deca... like 200-300mg's a week... thats about all i can fit in my 3ML syringe's... I got 8 ML of 300mg/ml Deca just sitting around.... good idea? bad idea? I know deca is notorious for Making pain free Workouts because it lubes your joints... thats why i want to throw it in

01-11-2004, 04:40 PM	#2
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	Now you know why I never f#cking touch Winstrol. Not only the pain aspect but I really need to tear my tendons up just like I need a second asshole. Yes, deca works, it has cured me of my accutane problems.
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01-11-2004, 04:57 PM	#3
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	so that is a ok idea... even with all of the equipoise im on? What would be a decent dose
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01-11-2004, 07:04 PM	#4
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	200mg+ weekly.
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01-11-2004, 07:34 PM	#6
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	I haven't heard anyone really say EQ helped thier joints at all, but maybe there are a few freaks out there.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-11-2004, 07:38 PM	#7
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	I have read articles mentioning both deca and EQ as beneficial for the joints. unfortunately I don't have a link off hand. I will try and dig it up though.
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01-11-2004, 07:45 PM	#8
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	I have read that EQ will help with collagen synthesis, but thats a long term thing, not water in the joints though.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-11-2004, 08:22 PM	#9
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	but doesn't Collagen syn factor in with helping deal with joints when running higher levels of test along with it?
	Testosterone Site/Elite Fitness-Dave Tate/West Side Barbell/Berardi Nutrition & Sports Performance/Steroid Laws- Rick Collins/John Defendis Intensity or Insanity articles/Save the Supersonics

01-11-2004, 08:25 PM	#10
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	Over a long period of time sure, like glucosamine chondroitin, it will not work instantly like MSM (supposedly) will.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-11-2004, 09:29 PM	#11
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	woah nubian...thats some crazy shit...wouldnt touch it...hear its addictive as hell

01-11-2004, 09:48 PM	#12
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	I have taken the bain a few times, I really wasn't too impressed by it. I don't think its physically addictive as much as it can mentally be addictive to someone like a BB who has aches and pains all the time. I do know a buddy who got real into the shit though, he was addicted to it in every sense of the word. He would suck down a whole bottle of the shit by afternoon time!! Thats crazy shit. The shit ain't for me though. If you have injuries htough I would stay away from it b/c once youo have that one pain free WO, you are gonna want it again and before you know it you will be slammin that shit daily!
	Testosterone Site/Elite Fitness-Dave Tate/West Side Barbell/Berardi Nutrition & Sports Performance/Steroid Laws- Rick Collins/John Defendis Intensity or Insanity articles/Save the Supersonics

01-13-2004, 12:12 PM	#15
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	my mom has joint pain and swears by msm...I myself am too young to have joint pain yet...and i dont wanna blow money on a supp for it till I get it...

01-13-2004, 12:21 PM	#16
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	Nothing wrong with prevention man, nothing wrong at all I feel. By the time it happens that is a sign that you have already worn something away that you shouldn't have unless its the case of low water, but low water means you are grinding that shyt away which is why I think winstrol is the f#cking devil, send that shyt to hell. I dont compete and its not in my plans, I dont want to be in my 50s and can't even play golf. Obviously I am a bit of an ass about it, I just think winstrol is a waste, control your diet that should give you detail enough. Accutane is a killer but it gives me what B5 can't, winstrols benefits are something I can get elsewhere. www.puritans.com is who I get my supplements from lately.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-13-2004, 12:33 PM	#17
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	I guess i might look into it.... as for winny...there are alot other things that i think would be cooler for cutting than winny...tren and masteron look like the money cutters to me...

01-13-2004, 01:15 PM	#18
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	Tren is great.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-14-2004, 02:07 AM	#19
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01-14-2004, 02:41 PM	#20
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	3 secs ago as i looked over at my 20 ccs of QGL masteron :-P

01-14-2004, 03:16 PM	#21
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,074 Photos: 1	The raw powder is out there, someone is using it.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

01-14-2004, 06:09 PM	#22
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	masterone is about so it parabolin but personaly i have no need for exzotic compounds and would rather spend my money on gh tren test etc

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