1000mg deca a week first cycle? plz help

**Mudge** · 02-02-2004, 12:02 AM

Often times cyp is more expensive, and enanthate may be more readily available in your country (Canada? England?) Cypionate is primarily an American drug, but a couple foreign companies make it apparently.

It is listed in the PCT/half life thread, its virtually the same, 10.5 active HL vs 12 day, I shoot it E4D.

ST240 · 02-02-2004, 12:09 AM

yeah im from canada....is there soem formula that relates injections to half lives?

**Mudge** · 02-02-2004, 12:39 AM

Yes and no, substance "decay" is not linear. Just keep it simple. If you wanted to do E4D injections which is not "too frequent," its pretty easy to calculate:

7/4 = 1.75

1.75x 250mg (example) 437.5mg a week

If the true half life is 5-6 days for cypionate, I am just barely beating it out. But once it builds up in the blood stream, it becomes more mathy, since active HL is calculated from a single administration. I do not know if the steroid calculator covers these points, but some of the board chemists flame it for being innacurate and a peice of crap to begin with, so I haven't checked it out for a long time. Half life not being a linear thing, person to person variances in drug metabolization, too many things to consider. For your first cycle dont sweat it too much, pick something simple and go with it, every 6th day with 250mg for instance should bring you close to your 300mg a week plan.

291mg looks like.

Look at the graph and see how it goes. Blood levels peak from a shot in about a day, so more frequent injections allows the blood level peak to continue to build before hitting the floor and starting from square 1.

dangit · 02-02-2004, 08:17 AM

yeah, you'll probably be fine on only 300mg a week. That shouldn't affect ya too much and might help you put on a bit of lean muscle.

Prices are always dependent on your supplier.

Cyp for me is a bit cheaper than enathate, but only by a few dollars and they're both way cheaper than sust or prop.

All depends on what you can get and at what prices.

Power Rabbit · 02-02-2004, 11:51 AM

cyp is pretty much ent...halflives are close enough that you would run em exactly the same

willus72 · 03-05-2004, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1/2MAN50AMAZING
none takin! like i said before all opinions are welcome. The source i have gave me that bullshit i told him im not a hardcore builder. I just want gain a nice solid 25lb to 32lbs of muscle. The reason i ask that question in the first place was to stricktly get opinions from people who has had lots of experience with jiuce. Now i can use a tried and true cycle but i dont want to do that. I want a high anabolic low androgen cycle. if it wouldnt be to much to ask could one of you design a 10 week high anabolic/androgen cycle using eq,primo,and anavar? i Dont want to get to big i want to a nice 225-35 of shredded but FUNCTIONAL mucsle. here are my measurements:
5'9 202lbs 14%bf. i USED to be 5'8 280lbs back when i was like 14-15! but i was a fast mofo 4.9 40 yard dash times. one of the fastest right guards you will ever see!

this is a little off the topic but i was a 115lb left gaurd when i was 14. the most beat up and stepped on 4th string left guard youll ever see, lol.

(im not being sarcasic that is true, lol) i quit after i got stepped on in our first scrimmage

proken · 03-07-2004, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Besides the tapering dude, WTF is up with a gram a week of DECA ONLY?

A gram is a bit excessive. A life long friend of mine that is in absolute top condition 365 uses only one steroid. He built himself many years ago using eq, test, and deca. after he hit his "top condition" he started using laurabolin. Its deca that is effective for about 3 weeks. He uses just under a gram a week, and hasn't lost a bit of muscle and always looks pre contest, there must be a tremendous amount of laura in his system by now and no adverse sides. He has been using laura alone for 4 years now.
When I get to where I want to be (if that exists) I'll do the same.
He also is a spitting image of a taller frank zane, without the intercostels.

**Mudge** · 03-07-2004, 01:00 AM

He is very abnormal if that much deca that long has not made him a completely impotent male.

4 years running? Zero testosterone in the body? Not healthy, he is amazingly lucky.

MarcusMaximus · 03-11-2004, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Besides the tapering dude, WTF is up with a gram a week of DECA ONLY?
Off the top of my head:
Progesterone gyno
No dick until 2005

The no dick until 2005; is this the deca dick phenomenon? I have never encountered or heard of this issue surrounding Deca.

Just a guy · 03-11-2004, 05:24 PM

Deca is the king of limp dick... also very hard to recover

MarcusMaximus · 03-11-2004, 05:44 PM

Deca Dick,
never really been an issue. Deca up here in Canada is almost always fake so no one I know bothers with it. but i don't know many people and don't get involved in anyone's business. it is embarrassing to admit that i pretty near forgot about deca shutting down all test production and nuts shrinking to the size of raisins then disappearing entirely.
all i ever hear about up here is Sust , winstrol and fake D- bol.

**Mudge** · 03-11-2004, 06:32 PM

Deca or fina or any other sterod for anabolic purposes is going to suppress the HPTA, so yes deca/fina dick do exist. If you have no test in the stack different people get shut down differently, based on genetics, time on, compounds and quanities used.

Deca is used for chemical castration, so you bet your balls it gives you limpy if you are on enough of it and long enough.

MarcusMaximus · 03-11-2004, 08:13 PM

never experienced this. most cycles i hear about ( the rare time that deca is mentioned ) are max 6-8 weeks so it must happen during the longer cycles and is an individual thing of course. the dosage is only 200 mg per week. So it's some permutation of specific dosage and specific length of time based upon a person's genetics etc. since these things are not linear ( a 200 mg cycle for 8 weeks may not give the same result as a 4 week cycle of 400 mg ) there must be a vertex at which the optimum dosage gives the maximum results.

thanks

**Mudge** · 03-11-2004, 08:25 PM

Yes, individual to some degree, just like some people get testicular shrinkage on short PH cycles which to me sounds funny.

Just a guy · 03-11-2004, 09:11 PM

that is kind of funny sounding... i was shooting 125Mg's of Tren ED and 175mg's of Test prop.. i my nads didnt shrink... But my 1st cycle of Deca- d-bol and Test cyp they did shrink... WIERD

**Mudge** · 03-11-2004, 10:35 PM

I didn't get any shrinkage until my 3rd cycle, which clued me in to recouperation problems.

wakeryder123 · 02-28-2005, 11:23 PM

I recently started a Decca only cycle. I am doing 300mg a week. I just took my 4th injectiong yesturday. I have decided not to continue taking decca or any other juice until I learn a little more about cycling. I have just started my 4th week of decca and have gotten stronger.... is there any post cycle drugs I need to take seeing that I only have done 4 weeks? I have an hcg kit and did one injection. Is that going to be enough?

LAM · 03-01-2005, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakeryder123

I recently started a Decca only cycle. I am doing 300mg a week. I just took my 4th injectiong yesturday. I have decided not to continue taking decca or any other juice until I learn a little more about cycling. I have just started my 4th week of decca and have gotten stronger.... is there any post cycle drugs I need to take seeing that I only have done 4 weeks? I have an hcg kit and did one injection. Is that going to be enough?

you need to run nolvadex like this ASAP !

week 1 - 60 mg/ED
week 2 - 40 mg/ED
week 3 to 5 - 20 mg/ED

Mags · 03-01-2005, 11:40 AM

I think I would shit myself if i ever saw ahuman being weighing 420 lbs. He must be unreal to look at. True monster.

Fina is supposed to halt DHT attacking the hair folicles on the upper regions of the scalp isn't it? If it's taken with certain specific types of AS (can't remeber which now, shit)then can however do the opposite and speed up MPB alongside the AS.

10 weeks will provide good gains if just on a test and Dbol kickstarter cycle won't it?
Mudge, did you say your planning a 6 month cycle?!! That's half a year you sicko,haha, monstrous, what are you thinking of running for that?

gococksDJS · 03-01-2005, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mags

10 weeks will provide good gains if just on a test and Dbol kickstarter cycle won't it?

yes, it will give you very good gains.

Tha Don · 03-01-2005, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mags

10 weeks will provide good gains if just on a test and Dbol kickstarter cycle won't it?

VERY good gains

saintxsean · 03-02-2005, 05:40 PM

Holy Shit!!!

Tough Old Man · 03-05-2005, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1/2MAN50AMAZING

Hello and greetings to all im new to the board. My question is i want to do a deca only cycle for 12 weeks i need to know if this would be ok

wk1: 200mg
wk2:400mg
wk3:400mg
wk4:600mg
wk5:800mg
wk6:1000mg
wk7:1000Mg
Wk8:1000mg
wk9:600mg
wk10:400mg
Wk11:200mg
Wk12:100mg
clomid 50mg/per day for 2 weeks

you see i ask the questions about the 1000mg because some say its ok for your first cycle just be careful and have a ant esto on site i was thinking arimidex but i dont know if that would neccesary. I want you guys opion on the cycle feel free to make adjustments or comments. ALso do you think i should run the 1000mg longer or shorter? and start to taper down sooner? Ive been doing quite a bit of research on roids but im not extremely good at designing cycles. So any advice is welcome.

Get a grip on yourself. 1st cycle
500 mg/ew of Test E or Cyp. It's that easy. What a idiot post!

03-11-2004, 05:24 PM	#70
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	Deca is the king of limp dick... also very hard to recover
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

03-11-2004, 09:11 PM	#75
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	that is kind of funny sounding... i was shooting 125Mg's of Tren ED and 175mg's of Test prop.. i my nads didnt shrink... But my 1st cycle of Deca- d-bol and Test cyp they did shrink... WIERD
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

03-01-2005, 11:40 AM	#79
Mags We ate the toys eddie! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: East London, UK Posts: 908 Photos: 8	I think I would shit myself if i ever saw ahuman being weighing 420 lbs. He must be unreal to look at. True monster. Fina is supposed to halt DHT attacking the hair folicles on the upper regions of the scalp isn't it? If it's taken with certain specific types of AS (can't remeber which now, shit)then can however do the opposite and speed up MPB alongside the AS. 10 weeks will provide good gains if just on a test and Dbol kickstarter cycle won't it? Mudge, did you say your planning a 6 month cycle?!! That's half a year you sicko,haha, monstrous, what are you thinking of running for that?
	BUILD IT, AND THEY WILL COME. THE ONLY TIME SUCCESS COMES BEFORE WORK IS IN THE DICTIONARY. DO OR DO NOT - THERE IS NO TRY.

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02-02-2004, 12:02 AM	#61
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Often times cyp is more expensive, and enanthate may be more readily available in your country (Canada? England?) Cypionate is primarily an American drug, but a couple foreign companies make it apparently. It is listed in the PCT/half life thread, its virtually the same, 10.5 active HL vs 12 day, I shoot it E4D.

02-02-2004, 12:09 AM	#62
ST240 ...And justice for all. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,390	yeah im from canada....is there soem formula that relates injections to half lives?

02-02-2004, 12:39 AM	#63
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Yes and no, substance "decay" is not linear. Just keep it simple. If you wanted to do E4D injections which is not "too frequent," its pretty easy to calculate: 7/4 = 1.75 1.75x 250mg (example) 437.5mg a week If the true half life is 5-6 days for cypionate, I am just barely beating it out. But once it builds up in the blood stream, it becomes more mathy, since active HL is calculated from a single administration. I do not know if the steroid calculator covers these points, but some of the board chemists flame it for being innacurate and a peice of crap to begin with, so I haven't checked it out for a long time. Half life not being a linear thing, person to person variances in drug metabolization, too many things to consider. For your first cycle dont sweat it too much, pick something simple and go with it, every 6th day with 250mg for instance should bring you close to your 300mg a week plan. 291mg looks like. Look at the graph and see how it goes. Blood levels peak from a shot in about a day, so more frequent injections allows the blood level peak to continue to build before hitting the floor and starting from square 1.

02-02-2004, 08:17 AM	#64
dangit Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Halifax, NS Posts: 18	yeah, you'll probably be fine on only 300mg a week. That shouldn't affect ya too much and might help you put on a bit of lean muscle. Prices are always dependent on your supplier. Cyp for me is a bit cheaper than enathate, but only by a few dollars and they're both way cheaper than sust or prop. All depends on what you can get and at what prices.

02-02-2004, 11:51 AM	#65
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	cyp is pretty much ent...halflives are close enough that you would run em exactly the same

03-07-2004, 01:00 AM	#68
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	He is very abnormal if that much deca that long has not made him a completely impotent male. 4 years running? Zero testosterone in the body? Not healthy, he is amazingly lucky.

03-11-2004, 05:44 PM	#71
MarcusMaximus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 740	Deca Dick, never really been an issue. Deca up here in Canada is almost always fake so no one I know bothers with it. but i don't know many people and don't get involved in anyone's business. it is embarrassing to admit that i pretty near forgot about deca shutting down all test production and nuts shrinking to the size of raisins then disappearing entirely. all i ever hear about up here is Sust , winstrol and fake D- bol.

03-11-2004, 06:32 PM	#72
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Deca or fina or any other sterod for anabolic purposes is going to suppress the HPTA, so yes deca/fina dick do exist. If you have no test in the stack different people get shut down differently, based on genetics, time on, compounds and quanities used. Deca is used for chemical castration, so you bet your balls it gives you limpy if you are on enough of it and long enough.

03-11-2004, 08:13 PM	#73
MarcusMaximus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 740	never experienced this. most cycles i hear about ( the rare time that deca is mentioned ) are max 6-8 weeks so it must happen during the longer cycles and is an individual thing of course. the dosage is only 200 mg per week. So it's some permutation of specific dosage and specific length of time based upon a person's genetics etc. since these things are not linear ( a 200 mg cycle for 8 weeks may not give the same result as a 4 week cycle of 400 mg ) there must be a vertex at which the optimum dosage gives the maximum results. thanks

03-11-2004, 08:25 PM	#74
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Yes, individual to some degree, just like some people get testicular shrinkage on short PH cycles which to me sounds funny.

03-11-2004, 10:35 PM	#76
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I didn't get any shrinkage until my 3rd cycle, which clued me in to recouperation problems.

02-28-2005, 11:23 PM	#77
wakeryder123 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1	I recently started a Decca only cycle. I am doing 300mg a week. I just took my 4th injectiong yesturday. I have decided not to continue taking decca or any other juice until I learn a little more about cycling. I have just started my 4th week of decca and have gotten stronger.... is there any post cycle drugs I need to take seeing that I only have done 4 weeks? I have an hcg kit and did one injection. Is that going to be enough?