1/2MAN50AMAZING

Hello and greetings to all im new to the board. My question is i want to do a deca only cycle for 12 weeks i need to know if this would be ok

wk1: 200mg
wk2:400mg
wk3:400mg
wk4:600mg
wk5:800mg
wk6:1000mg
wk7:1000Mg
Wk8:1000mg
wk9:600mg
wk10:400mg
Wk11:200mg
Wk12:100mg
clomid 50mg/per day for 2 weeks

you see i ask the questions about the 1000mg because some say its ok for your first cycle just be careful and have a ant esto on site i was thinking arimidex but i dont know if that would neccesary. I want you guys opion on the cycle feel free to make adjustments or comments. ALso do you think i should run the 1000mg longer or shorter? and start to taper down sooner? Ive been doing quite a bit of research on roids but im not extremely good at designing cycles. So any advice is welcome.

Robert Woodard

dangit

I don't think you researched things at all with a cycle like that. You won't have wood for a year

I did 400mg a week for 2 months for my first ever cycle (deca only and I was fine).

I'd rather do a test only cycle and run it at like 500mg a week for 12 weeks than anything else.

Power Rabbit

hes right ...get back to researching....


1 tapering has been debunked time and time again...wether you have 100mg or 1 gram of gear in you...you will be shut down

2 deca alone is not a good cycle...not to mention a first cycle!

3 60mg of deca is a highball for even a major stack, cause deca is so receptive to your body

4 your pct is too short..way too short!

5 your pct better not be happening the week after or it will do nothing...as you have it right now...your pct will be done before the deca has even cleared the system

1/2MAN50AMAZING

i didnt design that cycle that was given to me by a supplier that is why i put the question mark by the 1000mg i know this is to much but ive heard mixed reviews. if i were to do a decca cycle i would aslo do it with EQ and anavar for quality gians. thank you guys for yor input.

Robert Woodard

maddog1

Yeah, these guys are right.
And Dangit, if that is you in the pic you are one f'in Gorilla.

Success is measured not by the position that one has reached in life, rather by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed.

Booker T. Washington

1/2MAN50AMAZING

ive done research like i said i didnt design that cycle a source did i was curious so i asked you guys. it didnt sound right to me at all. ive hheard of a gram of test not deca for a cycle especailly a first cycle. could one of you design a high anabolic low androgenic cycle.for me?

Robert Woodard

BUSTINOUT

I would quit taking advice from that source ASAP. Test needs to be the foundation of the cycle. Also, with that much deca, you will see first hand the law of diminishing marginal return. Deca and EQ together is not any better. I've done both together and saw no better gains that when I was just taking EQ. EQ is actually my preference at about 400-600mg/wk. Test was also involved in my cycles. Dangit offered sound advice.

Mudge

Besides the tapering dude, WTF is up with a gram a week of DECA ONLY?

Off the top of my head:

Progesterone gyno
No dick until 2005

maddog1

That is funny as heck.

On that regimen, someone will need to take viagra to just to keep from p-ing in thier shoes.

(No offense to you 1/2)

Success is measured not by the position that one has reached in life, rather by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed.

Booker T. Washington

1/2MAN50AMAZING

none takin! like i said before all opinions are welcome. The source i have gave me that bullshit i told him im not a hardcore builder. I just want gain a nice solid 25lb to 32lbs of muscle. The reason i ask that question in the first place was to stricktly get opinions from people who has had lots of experience with jiuce. Now i can use a tried and true cycle but i dont want to do that. I want a high anabolic low androgen cycle. if it wouldnt be to much to ask could one of you design a 10 week high anabolic/androgen cycle using eq,primo,and anavar? i Dont want to get to big i want to a nice 225-35 of shredded but FUNCTIONAL mucsle. here are my measurements:
5'9 202lbs 14%bf. i USED to be 5'8 280lbs back when i was like 14-15! but i was a fast mofo 4.9 40 yard dash times. one of the fastest right guards you will ever see!

Robert Woodard

1/2MAN50AMAZING

forgot other msearuements:
Biceps 17inch
chest 43inch
wingspan:77inch
36inch waist.

Robert Woodard

Mudge

Dude, honesty 25-32 pounds IS hardcore lifter territory, unless we are talking over the period of a year or so. Not only is that a tremendous amount of work, but it starts getting unhealthy at this point. People start sweating, laboring to breathe, etc etc

Shredded wont be terribly easy without fixing up the diet, same with bulking man, it is all diet manipulation. Gear can put you beyond your natural abilities but you still have to know how to feed the machine.

Sounds like you know how to eat for pounds though, right now seriously part of my bulking diet consists of corndogs, I have tipped over the 5k calorie mark a few times of late.

Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench
Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin
When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu
I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

1/2MAN50AMAZING

really youve eaten that much caleroies damn! the most calories ive heard someone eat was 12000 and it was everday but the guys was humungous 320lb power lifer i forgot his name but he currently holds the bench press record at 830lbs no joke it was televised on espn last year! thank you for you guys opinions but i still need a cycle i can use consisting of low androgens high anabolic.

Robert Woodard

Mudge

You want huge, Trevor Smith, 6'1" 410-420 pounds, $450 a week on food and strong as all hell unleashed.

BUSTINOUT

Trev is a friggin Ox man.

Mudge

Incline benching 765 on the smith for reps, hell yeah he is, I want the video!

crackerjack414

i belive in tapering off long cycles but thats my opinion.

1/2MAN50AMAZING

765lbs for reps damn that is strong i know i completely forgot about trvor smith that is one big SOB i would only want to be that big if i was say 6-5 at least i would have some height to comprimise for all that damn weight even it is muscle he must have a hard time breathing once in a while.

Robert Woodard

Mudge

I can agree, but most folks aren't doing the super long cycles. I'm giving a 6 monther a go and dont plan to taper though.

Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench
Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin
When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu
I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

Mudge

Freaky thing, he is a 4th degree black belt in whatever form of Karate he does. I think he does some grappling also but dont recall. BDTR who I posted one small pic of, also is into MMA and is pretty damn big. I believe he is 270@11% right now.

dangit

yeah, that's my pic from a month or so ago just before I started dieting. I was around 220 there and I'm only 5.6-5.7" so it I look bigger in pics unfortunatly

As far as cycles go... I'd do a 10-16 weeker of test enathate at 500mg a week and don't worry about the tapering off. You own test levels are going to shut down no matter what when using gear. Just start clomid about 2-3 weeks after your last shot of test. If you want to kick start the cycle, then use dbols or something and just keep your cycle simple.

Nothing else is needed.

If you really want, then you can add eq to your cycle at like 400mg a week. Just make sure to keep it lower than the test level.

Gaining 25-30lbs of solid muscle is pretty hardcore as the others have said. YOu're going to have to eat like at least 4000+ clean calories a day and do a long cycle.

Or maybe you have super genetics and are a freak, but most of us aren't.

Trust me, put on 10-15lbs of solid muscle and everyone will notice.

I've put on 20+ lbs before in a cycle, but some was fat, some was water, ect...

Mudge

Yep, I'm 6'2" and 15+ pounds is still plenty noticeable to everyone else.

dangit

oh, remember that what works for a pro is not nessecary for most of us and won't work. Doing 1000g of test a week won't turn you into a beast. These guys have years and years of experience and gear behind them.

All you'll get from doing too much gear is side effects. Keep it simple and constant and workout like a nut and you'll grow like a weed.

1/2MAN50AMAZING

YOU GUYS have been very very helpful but i was wondering if i can subsitue that test en with sustanon at 500mg a week with eq what do you think.

Robert Woodard

1/2MAN50AMAZING

or aratest and eq or primo what do you think? primo fro more qaulity gains or eq more mass more vascular

Robert Woodard

1/2MAN50AMAZING

yo one more thing guys i thought about using fina at 75mg EOD but i heard this i very hard on the hariline even if you genetics are good some say they have expreinced no problems some say they have.i love my hair to much unless there is proscar can prevent this or some magicle shampoo........

Robert Woodard

Mudge

I have no hair problems with anything, although I have never done winstrol but I dont plan to.

Test is better than EQ as a base.

Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench
Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin
When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu
I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

dangit

well test is test. If you use sust or enathate or whaterver, the end result will be about the same if you use them logically.

If this is your fist cycle, then I'd just go simple and use some kind of test and that's it. You'll get great gains. Keep the other stuff for other cycles when your gains start to slow down.

Trust me, you won't get anymore gains off a first cycle if you do just test or do a bunch of stuff together.

Your body can only grow so much at a time. No sense spending more money than you need to. If your diet is in check (meaning you're eating 4000+ cals a day) and your workouts are intense, then after the 16 week cycle, you'll have put on a huge amount of muscle with just test alone.

I did deca only the first time and that was pretty stupid. I only did 400mg a week though and it didn't screw me over and I ended up making some good gains since I wasn't in a hurry and was eating like a horse.

Test will put on good muscle and keep you real vascular.

Tren should not be used for someone just starting out. You don't need it and it's pretty harsh.

maddog1

Good advice Mudge and Dangit - and oh you can't control your height right. At least your not overly tall like Mudge and guys like me. I'm over 250 and still think I look like a "Gilligan" type.
Nice work and welcome of course.

Success is measured not by the position that one has reached in life, rather by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed.

Booker T. Washington

plouffe