Just a guy

alrite... i have got rid of my Bulking drugs... and am goin to start over with a cutting cycle... Tell me what u think...

1-12 Test prop ED 100mg's
1-12 Tren 75mg's ED
1-10 Equipoise twice a week 500mg's
1-8 Deca (for joints) 200mg's a week
1-12 Winstrol 50mg ED


My diet is looking like the Atkins thing... i am taking in NO carbs except maybe 20Gram though the whole day do too protein.

15-30 minutes cardio 1st thing in the morning before i even eat anything.. ED of the week

What else should i do... im tryin to drop ALOT of fat... I cant take Clen.. or t3.. because im already on such drugs too keep me normal (thyroid problems).. i do have some Hydroxycut... Ehpedra free... supposed to be decent... How far should i slack my calories? im thinking they will be at the most 2,500 a day.... im not even putting milk in my protein shakes no more...

So is it true that on the Atkins thing... u can eat AS much fat and protein as u like while still losing weight? Like i could eat hot wings EVERY day and still be losing a ton of weight? just dont sound rite... any other pointers would be great.

Just a guy

i'll also be eating my 450 G's of protein

Power Rabbit

the prob with atkins is that its really designed for a really fat lazy person...not your average body builder ....your gonna want some carbs in there for lifting....only time you sould completely cut carbs is pre show(or when your gonna be in front of alot of people naked)....

Just a guy

uhh,,, now im confused... what am i supposed to do... I have heard from everyone that Little to no carbs will build Lean muscle and cut ALOT of fat

Power Rabbit

its just my opinion......but to build muscle you do want carbs....

Just a guy

but im fat and muscle is Hiding behind these layers of fat

Just a guy

bump

1/2MAN50AMAZING

IMO if your doing a cycle involving tren and winstrol it doesnt matter what you really eat as long as you notting eating absurd amounts of caleries like 7000 a day.... i have you considerd the anabolic diet? its similar to akins accept that its a high fas low carbs diet (not as low as atkins) and people who have tried have had tremendous results! im talkin naturals not juicers. I think its like 65% fat 35% carbs im not sure. BUT theres a cacth the fats you are eating are non saturated fats... meaing ecssential fatty acids EFA shit like flax seed oil. and on the weekend you carb up...

Robert Woodard

Just a guy

so how many calories is too low??? there's no way i can lose muscle while cutting just because of the drugs right? cuz im thinkin about tryin to stay under 2500 calories... dunno if thats 2 low

1/2MAN50AMAZING

well.... no usally shit is based on 2000 caleries a day so i wouldnt drop below this IMO i never have but ask those who have to make sure.

Robert Woodard

Mudge

Who gave you that idea? The shyt is not magic bro. When I went on a cutting diet I went as low as 2300 calories and hell yes I lose weight, muscle included. If you want to cut you need to slowly scale back calories, and watch your macro breakdown, you can't just yank 2000 calories and not expect to lose muscle.

Nobody here but you can answer what is too low. Pull 500-1000 calories a day for 1-2 pounds weight loss a week, not counting water.

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Mudge

There is Atkins, or CKD, etc - but it will be harder to maintain muscle if you dont do it right. I would not do straight Atkins unless you are willing to lose some muscle.

BUSTINOUT

Let us know how your hair holds up after 12 weeks of test/tren/winny. lol

As for deca for joints, I saw benefits from as little as 100mg/wk. I would start there first. The goal is to get the best results with as little drugs as possible. Personally, I think the winny is unnecessary.

Just a guy

ok... well what happens if i keep my calories where they were... about 4k but it was nothing but fat and protein and maybe 40 Grams of carbs throughout the WHOLE day... would i still lose fat??

Just a guy

what do u suggest mudge

Just a guy

today i Ate 2 chicken breasts.. 2 big cheeseburger paddies and some vegi's along with 1,200calories worth of whey protein (300Grams)..... does that sound like enough calories to u?? I really dont know what the exact calories are in the meats... i reallly... really dont want to lose any muscle... i would like to keep what i have and maybe more... but shed all of that unwanted fat...

macro breakdown? does that have to do with food? i cant quite remember...

i thought it was you that told me u could still gain muscle on a calorie deficit Diet... i could be mistaken... but pretty sure i heard that from u

Mudge

It will say on any packaging what the calories are, it sounds like 2 meals worth. Macro-nutrients, yes thats food.

I would strongly suggest getting a diet book, because it sounds like you dont know what you are doing except eating what you feel like eating.

If you are lucky, you can retain muscle on a caloric deficit, this is called cutting. Thats what the gear is there for, but you cant just cut calories in half (as an example) and expect to retain it all. You need to take baby steps, and you have to know how your body responds to things, this takes experience as well as some book knowlege. If it were so simple as cutting calories wham bam thank you mam and you keep all your muscle, then people who compete wouldn't lose so much thier first time or two on stage.

Just a guy

gotcha... i guess i will just try to eat no carbs in alot of Cals off fat's and meats.... and hopefully the drugs will help... because i guess im in over my head... and eating what i feel like eating is horribly wrong... i have to keep my self from Eating any pasta's breads or ANYTHING with carbs... the only carb intake i get is from my protein shakes which is like 2g's a scoop which is 24g's in the whole day... so thats not a good plan? i've been tryin to ask yall that but yall keep telling me im going to lose muscle.... Do u have to have alot of carbs to build muscle?? then what is the protein for? christ... i must be gettin the wrong information... i thought i could build and lose fat that way.... atleast that is what i gather

Mudge

Without some carbohydrates most people will lose some muscle, with moderate quality carbs you should be able to keep a good portion of it, but again caloric totals need to be scaled not just chopped.

Somewhere between 65-100g carbs is probably good enough for glycogen stores, depending on what you do for a living etc

Caloric excess plus high carbs helps create an environment friendly to muscle building. Dude if dieting were so easy as just getting shredded and building muscle at the same time then nobody would have bulking and cutting diets at all, we would all put on 25 pounds of muscle and lose 5% of our bodyfat at the same time.

The messed up thing about all of this is that you are a slave to your diet if you want to reach your goals, this is the area to study, not so much steroids because with basic cycles comes only a need for basic knowlege, its diet that you have to follow the entire day for at least 6.5/7 days of the week, plus you have to know how to manipulate your diet to get your body where you want it to go. This means know how + observation and study of yourself, not what some dude on the internet is doing with his own diet.

Going from a 4000 calorie a day diet down to 2500 is too fast. I would not plan on losing more than 1-2.5 pounds a week unless its OK to lose beef with it.

Mudge

I dont have genetics for being ripped without serious work (I would not really say I've been "ripped" in my life). For such a person as myself, you eventually reach a point where you say this sucks, and you have to start studying diet. This is where I'd say 95% of gym goers fail, either trying to gain or lose, this is your battle.

Fuck the gear, you know the basics, go read diet stuff.

crackerjack414

first off all every one has there own way of dieting but ill say carbs are manditory it would be easier on u and your body to give your self a month to eas into dieting just clean up your diet and graduely start lowering your carb intake and doing a few days of cardio and keep tweeking it till u lose about 2 pounds a week. I like a carb load once a week with clean carbs controlled but there are several ways to diet depening if u do cardio or not. But my point is that carbs are essential when dieting

also i dont like your cycle no need for prop imo u can use eth and switch to prop later when a show comes close and id add an anti e through out

Just a guy

ahhh christ... for real fellas i went from 233 to 225 in one day.. could be water weight deminishing... but shit... i look alot more ripped today... just dont want to lose the muscle!... i will try to keep about 50g's of carbs in me ... well 50-70 grams... if thats ok?

I like injecting my self everyday... i got so tired of test cyp... needed something more maintainance...

Just a guy

what if i do a ckd diet? like mon through Fri i eat hardly NO carbs... and then on the weekend... i carb it up... what u think? there's more to it i know... just seeing what yall thing... thanks

unfrzcvman

As far as the no carb thing goes, the fact that you can eat as much meat and veggies as you want and not gain weight creates a bit of a misconception. When you only eat meat, fat and veggies, your body goes into a type of starvation mode. Your hunger is cut and you don't eat as much. The folks who lose tons of weight on Atkins are actually eating fewer calories then their high carb counterparts (despite appearing to eat high calorie foods). These folks are people who have real bad insulin problems and the diet stabilizes their blood sugar for the first time in their lives. On Atkins, you simply aren't as hungry throughout the day.

That said, if you force yourself to eat a set amount of calories (e.g., through protein supplementation, etc.), you'll keep the weight (except for the water weight loss). Remember, 1 gram of glycogen holds about 4 grams of water so you'll lose a lot as you deplete your glycogen stores. I don't know so much about the impact of gear on this, but I suggest you just taper your carbs in the evening and reduce calories a sensible amount. Remember, there is no quick fix...

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Mudge

CKD works great for alot of people, its very low carbs through the week and then a carbup, its not atkins + carbup. We are talking 20-30g carbs for the whole day.

1/2MAN50AMAZING

you guys are giving good advice! this will also help when i ready. except im not trying to cut so much right now im gonna try the anabolic diet this diet was talk about by dan duciane and other top BBS high fat low carb diet. good for bulking AND losing body fat

Robert Woodard

Mudge

Bodyopus has various diets in there.

1/2MAN50AMAZING

who's bodyopus?

Robert Woodard

Just a guy

so u think ckd would be good for my situation? i only eat 24 G's of carbs a day (because of my protein)

Just a guy

oh yeh... i havent got fina cough yet?? does that meen my shit fake?