M.J.H.

Curious what you guys think of this. I have read about guys making very good gains on 2 i.u.'s a day?

A friend of mine said he binged nonstop and still dropped fat like crazy.

Just for the record I have never taken an anabolic, or a prohormone for that matter. Completely natural to date. Just been thinking a lot lately about a low/mild cycle. I am not even sure if I would go through with it.

Stats!
23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat

380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current)
405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals)

The M.J.H. Chronicles

Just a guy

heh... hgh aint the way to go for a mild cycle....

M.J.H.

Well I could always do a test cycle, cheap and good gains with pretty minimal side effects.

But I am more concerned with losing this last bit of fat at this point. I mean size is obviously important as well. Who knows, maybe Ill just stick it out naturally.

I know that HGH is expensive, but I have read about some crazy results with it.

Stats!
23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat

380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current)
405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals)

The M.J.H. Chronicles

Mudge

If you want to lose fat then diet, GH by itself would be best for fat loss and bodily repair, you should see results after about 4 months.

Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench
Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin
When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu
I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

Var

From what I've read, even a small dose can cost around $150 a day.

But when you disarm them, you at once offend them by showing that you distrust them, either for cowardice or for want of loyalty, and either of these opinions breeds hatred against you.

-N. Machiavelli

PreMier

Yea... MonStar has the big $$

P-side Inc.

"the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

Mudge

Nah, its not that bad, thats completely exaggerated.

Var

What would be a realistic estimate? Say 4 I.U/ day. Just curious.

But when you disarm them, you at once offend them by showing that you distrust them, either for cowardice or for want of loyalty, and either of these opinions breeds hatred against you.

-N. Machiavelli

Mudge

30 days $170-$300 at 4iu I'd say, there is a longer lasting HGH that requires a shot once every two weeks I believe. Seriously though some people pay out the rear for GH, especially domestic, and china is iffy.

4iu may even be too much for most anyway, sides like numbness of the hands seems to be the first problems people encounter.

Var

Wow! The info I read was WAY off! Thanks for the reply.

But when you disarm them, you at once offend them by showing that you distrust them, either for cowardice or for want of loyalty, and either of these opinions breeds hatred against you.

-N. Machiavelli

Mudge

It wasn't the same "interview" that said pros spend $60,000 a year on gear was it?

M.J.H.

I would go with 2 i.u.'s per day, if I went this route. Most likely 5 days on, 2 days off.

Stats!
23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat

380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current)
405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals)

The M.J.H. Chronicles

gr81

you don't go on and off with the GH, its half life is extremely short and you need a constant level. you hit it up twice a day at least bro. 2 i.u. is not a good idea. GH doesn't work teh same way anabolics do. with teh GH, the longer and the more you can do, the more you will benefit. Its not the thing to hop on for a few months. Plan on running a GH cycle for at least 8-12 months IMO. Plus teh dose should be up to 4-8ius/day. I do not think it is a wise choicein your situation dude, to see the gains you want you will have to be running anabolics at the same time, and preferably the insulin as well. If you are gonna just want to see BF stripped, then why the hell would GH be your choice. Way too expensive to use for that man. Pick an anabolic if you are just interested in a casual cycle of something.

Testosterone Site/Elite Fitness-Dave Tate/West Side Barbell/Berardi Nutrition & Sports Performance/Steroid Laws- Rick Collins/John Defendis Intensity or Insanity articles/Save the Supersonics

M.J.H.

Hell of a good post man, very informative.

Not going with HGH, going to stick it out naturally.

Stats!
23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat

380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current)
405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals)

The M.J.H. Chronicles

atherjen

good man

" To dream anything you want to dream: That is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything you want to do: That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits: that is the courage to succeed."

NPC Southern Classic, June 3rd
NPC Cajun Classic, June 10th
NPC Mississippi State July 22nd

M.J.H.

Yeah, the entire deformed face thing from HGH too, isnt for me.

Stats!
23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat

380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current)
405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals)

The M.J.H. Chronicles

gr81

well hold on now, lets nots all jump on the GH bashing bandwagon. For gods sake its Human Growth Hormone, think about it. It is awesome stuff. My only point is that it isn't a wise investment for someone who is gonna do it half assed or is not really sure. It not something that you hop on and blow up from like the anabolics can do to people. It takes time and money, as well as knowledge. In the end though it will change your physique like you won't believe, its a beautiful drug. The synergistic effects it has with the anabolics and the slin is enough to make a BB bust a phat nut right on the spot for christs sake!! Lets not take anything away from the people running this shit either. You are not very likely to become deformed from it as you say either. IMO teh positives outweight the negatives, which is more than I can say about the AAS sometimes. that is all

Testosterone Site/Elite Fitness-Dave Tate/West Side Barbell/Berardi Nutrition & Sports Performance/Steroid Laws- Rick Collins/John Defendis Intensity or Insanity articles/Save the Supersonics

Mudge

That may or may not have occured with the cadaver GH but not with todays products (someone does still extract it from cadavers though).

crackerjack414

LOL i think that whole gh blasting thing is kinda a bunch of crap ive always realy liked it.

Prince

MonStar it's sounds like you're looking for a short cut to losing bf, why not just clean up your diet? If you are able to look the way you currently do on your current diet, imagine if you started eating a strict diet high in protein....and stopped eating all of that crap (like nachos)!

• SBMuscle.com - Discount Supplement Superstore
• AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders
• CEM Products - Research Chemicals & Supplements
• MusclePharm - Complete Nutritional Arsenal
• BigBackGrips - If you lift weights you've got to try these grips!
• HumaneVoLabs - Foaming Transdermal Delivery System.

Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (CEE) On Sale $17.49 per bottle!

gr81

thats what I'm sayin, thankyou P. the GH is not teh solution to reach for in this situation.

Testosterone Site/Elite Fitness-Dave Tate/West Side Barbell/Berardi Nutrition & Sports Performance/Steroid Laws- Rick Collins/John Defendis Intensity or Insanity articles/Save the Supersonics

Mudge

Diet is the only long term solution, what good do the drugs do if you rebound when you come off anyway?

You have to learn diet sooner or later, drugs dont fix much of anything by themselves.

Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench
Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin
When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu
I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

M.J.H.

Yeah I agree completely man, definitely agree completely. I just have such a hard time really really eating clean. I am just getting over a binging habit that started a long, long, time ago. So trying to go from binging regularly to eating clean just isn't going to happen. That's how the binging went on for so long. I would try and eat extremely clean, etc.

I am better off just eating a less clean diet without binging. But there is no excuse for a low protein intake, especially when I eat 4,000+ calories a day.

Stats!
23 years old, 5'11.5", 206 lbs., ~8% bodyfat

380/455/655 bench/squat/deadlift (current)
405/495/675 bench/squat/deadlift (goals)

The M.J.H. Chronicles

Mudge

Cold turkey doesn't work for most, you have to do it in stages.