2.3 Steroids

samat631 · 02-07-2004, 06:35 PM

2.3 Steroids

One of the very best articles I've ever read on anabolic steroids was written by Mark Asanovich, Strength Coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The article was published in the volume 2, number 1 (1989) issue of the HIT Newsletter. By calling, you can order back issues of the HIT Newsletter, and I'm sure you'll find this article informative.

Steroid abuse is the fastest-growing form of drug abuse in the U.S. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration estimates 1 million steroid abusers nationwide compared to 500,000 heroin and 500,000 crack cocaine abusers. An unbelievable statistic.

And the highest misuse occurs in adolescents. The use of anabolic steroids is the fastest growing drug abuse problem in the U.S. today. Hard to believe.

It is extremely difficult to accurately discuss the use of anabolic steroids. Why? Because there really is a lack of scientific information on steroids - particularly in the way that they are used by athletes. Most information is based on anecdotal evidence, word spread in the gym, underground "handbooks", etc.

You hear a lot about the side-effects of steroids. Just what are the KNOWN adverse side effects associated with steroid use?

Note that these side effects are attributed to normal, therapeutic dosages:

Short-term

Liver dysfunction
Prostate enlargement
Severe acne
Acceleration of Male Pattern Baldness
Connective tissue catabolism
Kidney dysfunction
Cardiovascular dysfunction
Gastrointestinal dysfunction
Immune system dysfunction
Water Retention
Gynecomastia (fatty deposits under the nipples)
Testicular atrophy
Spermatogenesis dysfunction
Impotency
In adolescents, the added danger is of premature fusing of epiphyseal growth plates.
There are also dangers related to the self-administration of steroids:

Infection/reaction as a result of contaminated product
Spread of communicable disease (even AIDS) as a result of unsanitary, shared needles
Nerve dysfunction as a result of improperly placed injection
Remember these potential side effects are attributed to normal, therapeutic dosages. The long-term, cumulative side effects are not known. Unknown also is the increased risks of serial, multiple dosages that is common among steroid abusers. And since most of these drugs are purchased on the black market, the associated risk potentials are even greater.

Self-administered dosages are "stacked", "staggered", "pyramided," and/or "shotgunned" in dosages ranging from 10 to 100 times higher then therapeutic dosages. The risks obviously become even greater.

This is not a speech, or a "scare" tactic. This is reality. Steroids are DRUGS. ANY drug has potential side effects, even in small dosages, and thus have a risk associated with their use. And the potential for abuse is very large, as many fall prey to the "more is better" attitude.

One should also remember one other very important point - steroids are illegal to distribute and to possess in most countries.

Yes, steroids obviously do "work". That can't be denied. But this too varies from individual to individual. Some individuals make large gains in strength/size in a very short period of time - others don't. The same with side effects. Some people can take normal therapeutic dosages of steroids, and encounter little if any side effects. Others can have a severe reaction. Such is the case with ANY DRUG.

The choice is obviously yours. One can make tremendous changes to their strength, physical appearance and overall fitness by following a logical scientific approach to training without steroids. Results that would surpass most expectations.

If you are intent on taking steroids, I don't believe anything I say will deter you. I feel the risks are not worth the potential "benefits". In fact, every study I've seen has not shown that there is a permanent gain in size/strength from taking steroids once one has stopped taking them. You are putting your body in an unnatural state - and it has to return to normal. How much of these "gains" are really water weight? Unknown.

But the bottom line is: Are the risks worth what is very likely a temporary increase in size/strength?

Your choice.

Power Rabbit · 02-07-2004, 10:21 PM

for someone that dosent use gear you post alot of articles on them... and besides that your article is blantantly wrong in some cases...

"very likely a temporary increase"

while you probably wont retain all of your gains, you definately retain a good bit of them if you run your gear properly...it really takes idiot moves to lose it all..a guy punding drol unstacked will prob lose most everything...guys with no pct will lose it all...but Ive seen countless guys in my gym, who play it smart, keep 80%+ of their gains each cycle..

Just a guy · 02-07-2004, 10:39 PM

u suck cuz... that is the WORST artical i have ever read... that guy that wrote it was probably 60 and never even seen a steroid or talked to a steroid user. moderation is the key and that artical is BULLSHIT... There was a recent study on a women with some illness that was gettin fed 150mg's of anadrol a day for like 40 weeks... and had NO liver problems and no side effects hardly at all... Steroids are coming more and more not so harmful as the days go by... ALOT of studies show that roids aint that bad for you as long as you recover correctly... but some dont use pct at all and still are fine... do some more research instead of listing to not even a page article...

Just a guy · 02-07-2004, 10:42 PM

but hey... im a juicer and ur not... so my opinion is WAY different

**Mudge** · 02-08-2004, 01:24 AM

Side effects dont occur with everyone, and those that do are because that person is succeptible to them. This is like saying alcohol causes liver chirossis, sure it does, but not everyone gets it.

In this world we discover scare tactics and sometimes outright lies, like those our government subjected to us during the early days in the war against weed, acid, and other such drugs.

Just a guy · 02-08-2004, 09:24 AM

yeh!! i think we should publically sacrifice this artical to the Steroid god... BURN BURN BURN

**Prince** · 02-08-2004, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by samat631
Steroid abuse is the fastest-growing form of drug abuse in the U.S. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration estimates 1 million steroid abusers nationwide compared to 500,000 heroin and 500,000 crack cocaine abusers. An unbelievable statistic.

Comparing steroid use with heroin and crack cocaine is rediculous!

How many people have died from using steroids?

I agree with everyone else, whoever wrote this article is a moron.

Evil ANT · 02-08-2004, 09:48 AM

You know, I often think these anti-steroid people are just jealous in some weird way. It's like they see these guys (and girls) on juice who are so much larger than them that they have to try and convince them that steroids are bad in an attempt to level the playing field.

"Shit, I won't ever be as big as them if I don't juice. I don't want to juice because I'm afraid to. I'll just convince them all not to juice and then maybe I'll have a chance."

I'm too tired to make a coherent point, but hopefully you somewhat understand what I'm saying.

**Prince** · 02-08-2004, 10:14 AM

The ironic thing about our society and drugs is it's okay to go to a doctor and get a drug for just about anything you can think of, just watch TV and take note of all the drug commercials, it's insane! Hell, you can even go get estrogen if you want to turn yourself into a female, but you cannot take testosterone, that is BAD!

Not to mention platic surgery, it's okay to have a doctor cut open your face, suck fat out of your body with a vacuum, insert fake breasts, and enything else you want done to improve your appearance, but it's NOT okay to take testoserone to build your muscles.

I don't understand this contradiction, and please, do not even try and explain it...

**Mudge** · 02-08-2004, 11:02 AM

Almost unanimously, these types of 'articles' come from people who dont really know anything about them at all. Anyone can read a list of side effects and a few propoganda reports.

GSXR750 · 02-08-2004, 11:18 AM

This is my first post, so ill make it a quick one

"But the bottom line is: Are the risks worth what is very likely a temporary increase in size/strength?"

You can lower those risks by educating yourself in using the proper treatments along with your gear

.......temporary?, hardly I agree with PR

and my answer is yes!

Evil ANT · 02-08-2004, 12:22 PM

Whoever wrote that article must not watch television too much these days. Ever see those ads for allergy relief medication, or depression medication? At the end they list the side effects and I always laugh my ass off. The list is like ten pages long and read really fast.

What I find hilarious is the ad for anti-depressants that says at the end something like,

"Side effects may include nausea, diarrhea, coughing, runny nose, sexual side effects..."

Excuse me? Diarrhea? Sexual side effects? I think that would make me more depressed than I already was! The list keeps going and is pretty funny.

But I digress. My point is; everything has side effects, and some are worse than others. You take enough of anything and you're going to get sick. It's that simple.

Just a guy · 02-08-2004, 12:28 PM

i think we should ban samat from the Juicer Pages.

j/k with u bro... just this was a horrible horrible HORRIBLE artical.

samat631 · 02-08-2004, 04:20 PM

yo i think you guys should chill out. theres no reason to get all defensive about one article. i never said i was against steroids, mudge is right, i dont know much that there is to know about steroids, but theres only one way to find out. shit man, people post things like this to get peoples reactions. i got yours, and thats fine to disagree with the author, but dont fuckin get on my case. thats bullshit. oh yea? go head and ban me, what kind of message board is this that you only let people post when it reflects your opinion. whatever

**Mudge** · 02-08-2004, 04:26 PM

You wont be banned for agreeing with someones opinion man.

A football strength training coach though, that sounds like propoganda to me, he knows whats going on. It was the sports people who got the stuff illegalized in the first place by making presentations to the feds, if people actually buy that sports are clean they need to be checked for having had a lobotomy.

QuestionGuy · 02-08-2004, 04:50 PM

if i wasnt such a pussy i would try some gear also, but im just to scared of sideaffects, i guess all those "scare" articles worked for me

Evil ANT · 02-08-2004, 05:39 PM

If it's any consolation, I haven't had any side effects thus far (excluding the one small pimple I got on my chest that could have been natural).

**Mudge** · 02-08-2004, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuestionGuy
if i wasnt such a pussy i would try some gear also, but im just to scared of sideaffects, i guess all those "scare" articles worked for me

Nothing wrong with that really, I feel that unless you really want it, and you are willing to read up, then by all means you are doing yourself a favor by staying away.

QuestionGuy · 02-08-2004, 06:53 PM

thanxx, ill tell you guys when im ready...

**Prince** · 02-08-2004, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by samat631
yo i think you guys should chill out. theres no reason to get all defensive about one article. i never said i was against steroids, mudge is right, i dont know much that there is to know about steroids, but theres only one way to find out. shit man, people post things like this to get peoples reactions. i got yours, and thats fine to disagree with the author, but dont fuckin get on my case. thats bullshit. oh yea? go head and ban me, what kind of message board is this that you only let people post when it reflects your opinion. whatever

You posted the article in an anabolic forum, obviously the members here that visit this forum are pro-steroids, so you should have been prepared for the reaction.

If you went into the training forum here and posted an article that made the argument that weight training was dangerous you would get the same response. Right?

We are not slamming you, we're slamming the author, although you did say that you think it's a good article...so....

And this is the type of board where we allow you and everyone else to post your opinion, whatever that may be, you will not be banned for agreeing or disagreeing with anyone here. Since this is a very open board, you need to be able to handle this type of reaction from people if you're going to post a controversial article.

So, really you're the one that should chill out.

samat631 · 02-08-2004, 10:01 PM

"You posted the article in an anabolic forum, obviously the members here that visit this forum are pro-steroids, so you should have been prepared for the reaction."

not everybody who views this forum is prosteriod. i would say many are just people curious about it or want to know more. i seriously doubt EVERYONE who views this, uses steriods.

"If you went into the training forum here and posted an article that made the argument that weight training was dangerous you would get the same response. Right?"

??? what are you talking about? you cant compare weight lifting to steriod use. apples and oranges...

"We are not slamming you, we're slamming the author, although you did say that you think it's a good article...so...."

actually i never said that. and my remark before was not even directed at you.

"And this is the type of board where we allow you and everyone else to post your opinion, whatever that may be, you will not be banned for agreeing or disagreeing with anyone here. Since this is a very open board, you need to be able to handle this type of reaction from people if you're going to post a controversial article."

i dont mind the opionions, and i can handle the reactions too. what set me off is being threatend to be banned. i dont think people should be banned for "controversial" articles.

**Mudge** · 02-08-2004, 10:37 PM

Nobody threatened to ban you, someone jokingly suggested that you be banned, and this was not coming from a person with power to ban so you are being a bit ridiculous.

I dont have power to ban either, only super mods or the administrator. Just like a street person has no power to raise or lower taxes, a normal member can't ban anyone.

Since your article was not quoted, it was kind of hard to read what might have been your comments or not, I like to paste things in between QUOTE tags so that people know it didn't come out of my mouth.

Quote:

One of the very best articles I've ever read on anabolic steroids was written by Mark Asanovich, Strength Coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The article was published in the volume 2, number 1 (1989) issue of the HIT Newsletter. By calling, you can order back issues of the HIT Newsletter, and I'm sure you'll find this article informative.

This is where the confusion was.

Just a guy · 02-09-2004, 08:05 AM

i said JUST KIDDING U ASS... fuckin get over it... U come into the KING of aggression forums and not expect someone to make a smart comment about something u posted... U aint gonna get banned... thats what the j/k was for... i've had my head ripped off by all the Gear heads around here.. <cry> <whine> But its all in good fun... EXCEPT they never put a J/K at the end of their post so actually i was being nice... thats my 2 cents

I think what we got here is a total LACK of Natural testosterone in samat... heh j/k! now's lets move on

QuestionGuy · 02-09-2004, 06:41 PM

I think since Mudge is a moderator he has to be nice to you, but im not so im gona say u suck man, stop ur crying man, you said tha tthat was one of the best articles you ever read on anabolic steroids.............

**Mudge** · 02-09-2004, 07:26 PM

Being nice, is a kind of lesson learned. There are less times when being a dick will get what you want.

A great man shows his greatness, by the way he treats little men - Thomash Carlyle

When you argue with a cornered animal, it only becomes more fierce in its position.

SJ69 · 02-09-2004, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Evil ANT
If it's any consolation, I haven't had any side effects thus far (excluding the one small pimple I got on my chest that could have been natural).

man, you better knock on wood !!
I guess you're not superstitious.
If I had had said that, I'd go bald the next day and need a liver transplant.

samat631 · 02-10-2004, 09:15 AM

sigh...

02-07-2004, 06:35 PM	#1
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	2.3 Steroids 2.3 Steroids One of the very best articles I've ever read on anabolic steroids was written by Mark Asanovich, Strength Coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The article was published in the volume 2, number 1 (1989) issue of the HIT Newsletter. By calling, you can order back issues of the HIT Newsletter, and I'm sure you'll find this article informative. Steroid abuse is the fastest-growing form of drug abuse in the U.S. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration estimates 1 million steroid abusers nationwide compared to 500,000 heroin and 500,000 crack cocaine abusers. An unbelievable statistic. And the highest misuse occurs in adolescents. The use of anabolic steroids is the fastest growing drug abuse problem in the U.S. today. Hard to believe. It is extremely difficult to accurately discuss the use of anabolic steroids. Why? Because there really is a lack of scientific information on steroids - particularly in the way that they are used by athletes. Most information is based on anecdotal evidence, word spread in the gym, underground "handbooks", etc. You hear a lot about the side-effects of steroids. Just what are the KNOWN adverse side effects associated with steroid use? Note that these side effects are attributed to normal, therapeutic dosages: Short-term Liver dysfunction Prostate enlargement Severe acne Acceleration of Male Pattern Baldness Connective tissue catabolism Kidney dysfunction Cardiovascular dysfunction Gastrointestinal dysfunction Immune system dysfunction Water Retention Gynecomastia (fatty deposits under the nipples) Testicular atrophy Spermatogenesis dysfunction Impotency In adolescents, the added danger is of premature fusing of epiphyseal growth plates. There are also dangers related to the self-administration of steroids: Infection/reaction as a result of contaminated product Spread of communicable disease (even AIDS) as a result of unsanitary, shared needles Nerve dysfunction as a result of improperly placed injection Remember these potential side effects are attributed to normal, therapeutic dosages. The long-term, cumulative side effects are not known. Unknown also is the increased risks of serial, multiple dosages that is common among steroid abusers. And since most of these drugs are purchased on the black market, the associated risk potentials are even greater. Self-administered dosages are "stacked", "staggered", "pyramided," and/or "shotgunned" in dosages ranging from 10 to 100 times higher then therapeutic dosages. The risks obviously become even greater. This is not a speech, or a "scare" tactic. This is reality. Steroids are DRUGS. ANY drug has potential side effects, even in small dosages, and thus have a risk associated with their use. And the potential for abuse is very large, as many fall prey to the "more is better" attitude. One should also remember one other very important point - steroids are illegal to distribute and to possess in most countries. Yes, steroids obviously do "work". That can't be denied. But this too varies from individual to individual. Some individuals make large gains in strength/size in a very short period of time - others don't. The same with side effects. Some people can take normal therapeutic dosages of steroids, and encounter little if any side effects. Others can have a severe reaction. Such is the case with ANY DRUG. The choice is obviously yours. One can make tremendous changes to their strength, physical appearance and overall fitness by following a logical scientific approach to training without steroids. Results that would surpass most expectations. If you are intent on taking steroids, I don't believe anything I say will deter you. I feel the risks are not worth the potential "benefits". In fact, every study I've seen has not shown that there is a permanent gain in size/strength from taking steroids once one has stopped taking them. You are putting your body in an unnatural state - and it has to return to normal. How much of these "gains" are really water weight? Unknown. But the bottom line is: Are the risks worth what is very likely a temporary increase in size/strength? Your choice.

02-08-2004, 01:24 AM	#5
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02-08-2004, 10:14 AM	#9
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02-07-2004, 10:21 PM	#2
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	for someone that dosent use gear you post alot of articles on them... and besides that your article is blantantly wrong in some cases... "very likely a temporary increase" while you probably wont retain all of your gains, you definately retain a good bit of them if you run your gear properly...it really takes idiot moves to lose it all..a guy punding drol unstacked will prob lose most everything...guys with no pct will lose it all...but Ive seen countless guys in my gym, who play it smart, keep 80%+ of their gains each cycle..

02-07-2004, 10:39 PM	#3
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	u suck cuz... that is the WORST artical i have ever read... that guy that wrote it was probably 60 and never even seen a steroid or talked to a steroid user. moderation is the key and that artical is BULLSHIT... There was a recent study on a women with some illness that was gettin fed 150mg's of anadrol a day for like 40 weeks... and had NO liver problems and no side effects hardly at all... Steroids are coming more and more not so harmful as the days go by... ALOT of studies show that roids aint that bad for you as long as you recover correctly... but some dont use pct at all and still are fine... do some more research instead of listing to not even a page article...

02-07-2004, 10:42 PM	#4
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	but hey... im a juicer and ur not... so my opinion is WAY different

02-08-2004, 09:24 AM	#6
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	yeh!! i think we should publically sacrifice this artical to the Steroid god... BURN BURN BURN

02-08-2004, 09:48 AM	#8
Evil ANT Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 629 Photos: 3	You know, I often think these anti-steroid people are just jealous in some weird way. It's like they see these guys (and girls) on juice who are so much larger than them that they have to try and convince them that steroids are bad in an attempt to level the playing field. "Shit, I won't ever be as big as them if I don't juice. I don't want to juice because I'm afraid to. I'll just convince them all not to juice and then maybe I'll have a chance." I'm too tired to make a coherent point, but hopefully you somewhat understand what I'm saying.

02-08-2004, 11:02 AM	#10
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Almost unanimously, these types of 'articles' come from people who dont really know anything about them at all. Anyone can read a list of side effects and a few propoganda reports.

02-08-2004, 11:18 AM	#11
GSXR750 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 921 Photos: 4	This is my first post, so ill make it a quick one "But the bottom line is: Are the risks worth what is very likely a temporary increase in size/strength?" You can lower those risks by educating yourself in using the proper treatments along with your gear .......temporary?, hardly I agree with PR and my answer is yes!

02-08-2004, 12:22 PM	#12
Evil ANT Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 629 Photos: 3	Whoever wrote that article must not watch television too much these days. Ever see those ads for allergy relief medication, or depression medication? At the end they list the side effects and I always laugh my ass off. The list is like ten pages long and read really fast. What I find hilarious is the ad for anti-depressants that says at the end something like, "Side effects may include nausea, diarrhea, coughing, runny nose, sexual side effects..." Excuse me? Diarrhea? Sexual side effects? I think that would make me more depressed than I already was! The list keeps going and is pretty funny. But I digress. My point is; everything has side effects, and some are worse than others. You take enough of anything and you're going to get sick. It's that simple.

02-08-2004, 12:28 PM	#13
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	i think we should ban samat from the Juicer Pages. j/k with u bro... just this was a horrible horrible HORRIBLE artical.

02-08-2004, 04:20 PM	#14
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	yo i think you guys should chill out. theres no reason to get all defensive about one article. i never said i was against steroids, mudge is right, i dont know much that there is to know about steroids, but theres only one way to find out. shit man, people post things like this to get peoples reactions. i got yours, and thats fine to disagree with the author, but dont fuckin get on my case. thats bullshit. oh yea? go head and ban me, what kind of message board is this that you only let people post when it reflects your opinion. whatever

02-08-2004, 04:26 PM	#15
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	You wont be banned for agreeing with someones opinion man. A football strength training coach though, that sounds like propoganda to me, he knows whats going on. It was the sports people who got the stuff illegalized in the first place by making presentations to the feds, if people actually buy that sports are clean they need to be checked for having had a lobotomy.

02-08-2004, 04:50 PM	#16
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,183	if i wasnt such a pussy i would try some gear also, but im just to scared of sideaffects, i guess all those "scare" articles worked for me

02-08-2004, 05:39 PM	#17
Evil ANT Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 629 Photos: 3	If it's any consolation, I haven't had any side effects thus far (excluding the one small pimple I got on my chest that could have been natural).

02-08-2004, 06:53 PM	#19
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,183	thanxx, ill tell you guys when im ready...

02-08-2004, 10:01 PM	#21
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	"You posted the article in an anabolic forum, obviously the members here that visit this forum are pro-steroids, so you should have been prepared for the reaction." not everybody who views this forum is prosteriod. i would say many are just people curious about it or want to know more. i seriously doubt EVERYONE who views this, uses steriods. "If you went into the training forum here and posted an article that made the argument that weight training was dangerous you would get the same response. Right?" ??? what are you talking about? you cant compare weight lifting to steriod use. apples and oranges... "We are not slamming you, we're slamming the author, although you did say that you think it's a good article...so...." actually i never said that. and my remark before was not even directed at you. "And this is the type of board where we allow you and everyone else to post your opinion, whatever that may be, you will not be banned for agreeing or disagreeing with anyone here. Since this is a very open board, you need to be able to handle this type of reaction from people if you're going to post a controversial article." i dont mind the opionions, and i can handle the reactions too. what set me off is being threatend to be banned. i dont think people should be banned for "controversial" articles.

02-09-2004, 08:05 AM	#23
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	i said JUST KIDDING U ASS... fuckin get over it... U come into the KING of aggression forums and not expect someone to make a smart comment about something u posted... U aint gonna get banned... thats what the j/k was for... i've had my head ripped off by all the Gear heads around here.. <cry> <whine> But its all in good fun... EXCEPT they never put a J/K at the end of their post so actually i was being nice... thats my 2 cents I think what we got here is a total LACK of Natural testosterone in samat... heh j/k! now's lets move on

02-09-2004, 06:41 PM	#24
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,183	I think since Mudge is a moderator he has to be nice to you, but im not so im gona say u suck man, stop ur crying man, you said tha tthat was one of the best articles you ever read on anabolic steroids.............

02-09-2004, 07:26 PM	#25
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Being nice, is a kind of lesson learned. There are less times when being a dick will get what you want. *A great man shows his greatness, by the way he treats little men* - Thomash Carlyle When you argue with a cornered animal, it only becomes more fierce in its position.

02-10-2004, 09:15 AM	#27
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	sigh...