What the hell is this?

Evil ANT · 02-08-2004, 07:51 PM

I started my cycle of dbol and test cype about eight weeks ago, and my injection spots are delts and pecs. I've noticed something a bit odd lately, and was wondering if anyone else has had anything similar to this happen.

Below both of my delts, but not quite on my bicep, I have these weird red-ish markings that almost look like veins. I don't think they're stretch marks or anything (although I have grown some), and they don't hurt at all.

I've attached a horrible picture (too lazy to take a decent one) so you can somewhat see what I am talking about.

Anyone know what causes this? Better yet, anyone know if it's temporary? Even better yet, does anyone know if it's harmful in any way?

Thanks!

QuestionGuy · 02-08-2004, 08:54 PM

i couldnt answer that one because you cant even see shit,

QuestionGuy · 02-08-2004, 08:55 PM

but, 95 percent its strech marks,

Just a guy · 02-08-2004, 09:05 PM

i got em too man... dunno what they are... maybe stretch marks... fuck if i know

**Mudge** · 02-08-2004, 09:20 PM

I can't even identify the bodypart, but dude whatever it is, is nothing compared to my raging purple stretchmarks. I got them about 10 years ago, very well healed by now, but yours looks like some kind of irritation it is minor.

Evil ANT · 02-08-2004, 10:18 PM

That's my girly arm. Bad picture, but if your monitor settings are right you'll be able to see what I'm talking about somewhat.

I thought they might be stretch marks too, but I didn't think people really got them right there. They're about two inches down from where I shoot on my delts. They're also in the exact same spot on both sides, which I found a bit odd. I thought it might have something to do with the test running it's course.

Weird.

Maybe they'll go away. If not, I'm not overly worried. Not like my goal is to be perfect by any means.

**Mudge** · 02-08-2004, 10:29 PM

I have had localized swelling, redness, and heat from gear if that is something you are experiencing.

crackerjack414 · 02-09-2004, 12:17 AM

ive got stretch marks everywhere
nothing to worry about just tan and u will look fine

Evil ANT · 02-09-2004, 01:59 AM

Thanks for the info, guys. I've been meaning to post this for the last few weeks but kept forgetting until I noticed the marks again earlier today.

I almost didn't even bother posting about it because I thought it was pretty trivial, but thought "better safe than sorry." Didn't want to find out a month down the road that I have some nasty infection or something.

Mudge, I am experiencing a lot of heat since starting my cycle. I get hot very easily. Overall, though, that (and the marks on my arm) seem to be the only side effects I'm showing.

Not bad.

plouffe · 02-09-2004, 02:49 PM

Getting pretty creative with the photoshop my man

**Mudge** · 02-09-2004, 04:14 PM

I've had mild gear flu before from Ttokkyo stuff, and later more severe from high mg/ml stuff, mostly localized heat however. When putting on lots of weight in a relatively short time span though, I do notice more sweating and such but that is natural.

QuestionGuy · 02-09-2004, 04:26 PM

keep us posted on how it loooks....

ST240 · 02-09-2004, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
I can't even identify the bodypart, but dude whatever it is, is nothing compared to my raging purple stretchmarks. I got them about 10 years ago, very well healed by now, but yours looks like some kind of irritation it is minor.

man... what were you on to cause that??

how can you keep stretch marks to a minimum?

**Mudge** · 02-10-2004, 12:33 AM

I wasn't on anything, I got it naturally. I was around 18 and lifting like a mother f'er, thats is when I first hit 17" on the arms.

thickone · 02-10-2004, 04:21 PM

Wife's a nurse"says strange place for stretch marks"! Stretch marks usually start where the skin is thinner, example, it should have appeared in the armpit and inner arm area first. If this was a systemic reaction (internal drug reaction) the rash would appear throughout the body. Chances are it's local irritation at your injection site. How many cc's/ml. are you injecting at a time. More than one cc/ml should be injected into a larger muscle (quad or even better if you can reach your glutes). Answered by me, his wife, after the word stretch.

**Mudge** · 02-10-2004, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thickone
Answered by me, his wife, after the word stretch.

And brought to you by the letter 'W' and the number 12.

ST240 · 02-10-2004, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
I wasn't on anything, I got it naturally. I was around 18 and lifting like a mother f'er, thats is when I first hit 17" on the arms.

WOW!! thats impressive man.... wish i could pull that off....... maybe its my diet or..? youre nuts man haha

thickone · 02-10-2004, 10:22 PM

Don't get it Mudge. Just asked her to read thread,and couldn't type answer quick enough.She types 60wp me maybe 10.

**Mudge** · 02-10-2004, 11:29 PM

Thickone, its a Sesame Street yoke.

ST240, I was using a massive overtraining program and really I didn't know what I was doing diet wise, but it kicked my ass. I have posted the beginning part of the routine before, but seriously without 2-3 hours free time in your day split in half from morning to night, its not worth even trying.

From what I know though, while the author claimed to obtain this information from a conference with some Bulgarians, I hear that it was complete BS. Phil Hernon and Tom Platz put thier faces to some degree on the book, but Phil supposedly later claimed it was all pulled out of said authors ass.

However, it was because of this program that I learned to love more frequent training, and occasional bouts of high volume training. For long periods of time though, even at 27 years old it starts to hurt me so I dont like kicking my ass non stop.

crackerjack414 · 02-11-2004, 12:55 AM

Ill have to ask phil about this maybe i can get him to come over and post here

**Mudge** · 02-11-2004, 01:03 AM

I would be interested to know, because the "story" is that he was just fine being open and honest about his association during that time.

This would have been in regards to Leo Costas Jr., you've probably heard the name before if you've ever seen the adds, he ran another program or two in book form later on.

ST240 · 02-11-2004, 01:38 AM

Mudge,

how did you get such good results with a shitty diet then?

edit: im not questioning you im just wondering how that works biologically

**Mudge** · 02-11-2004, 09:24 AM

I was young for one thing, for another I'm sure I ate plenty to make those reasonable gains, I just didn't know what I was doing diet wise nor did I count anything. I weigh more now and am bigger now obviously, but I am eating corn dogs and various other crap too, its not oatmeal/rice all day long.

If I wasn't lifting or anything my natural bodyweight would be 210-215, which leveled off around the time I was 21.

02-08-2004, 07:51 PM	#1
Evil ANT Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 629 Photos: 3	What the hell is this? I started my cycle of dbol and test cype about eight weeks ago, and my injection spots are delts and pecs. I've noticed something a bit odd lately, and was wondering if anyone else has had anything similar to this happen. Below both of my delts, but not quite on my bicep, I have these weird red-ish markings that almost look like veins. I don't think they're stretch marks or anything (although I have grown some), and they don't hurt at all. I've attached a horrible picture (too lazy to take a decent one) so you can somewhat see what I am talking about. Anyone know what causes this? Better yet, anyone know if it's temporary? Even better yet, does anyone know if it's harmful in any way? Thanks!

02-08-2004, 09:20 PM	#5
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I can't even identify the bodypart, but dude whatever it is, is nothing compared to my raging purple stretchmarks. I got them about 10 years ago, very well healed by now, but yours looks like some kind of irritation it is minor.
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02-09-2004, 02:49 PM	#10
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	Getting pretty creative with the photoshop my man
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02-10-2004, 04:21 PM	#15
thickone Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46	Wife's a nurse"says strange place for stretch marks"! Stretch marks usually start where the skin is thinner, example, it should have appeared in the armpit and inner arm area first. If this was a systemic reaction (internal drug reaction) the rash would appear throughout the body. Chances are it's local irritation at your injection site. How many cc's/ml. are you injecting at a time. More than one cc/ml should be injected into a larger muscle (quad or even better if you can reach your glutes). Answered by me, his wife, after the word stretch.
thickone Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46

02-10-2004, 10:22 PM	#18
thickone Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46	Don't get it Mudge. Just asked her to read thread,and couldn't type answer quick enough.She types 60wp me maybe 10.
thickone Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46

02-08-2004, 08:54 PM	#2
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,258	i couldnt answer that one because you cant even see shit,

02-08-2004, 08:55 PM	#3
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,258	but, 95 percent its strech marks,

02-08-2004, 09:05 PM	#4
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	i got em too man... dunno what they are... maybe stretch marks... fuck if i know

02-08-2004, 10:18 PM	#6
Evil ANT Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 629 Photos: 3	That's my girly arm. Bad picture, but if your monitor settings are right you'll be able to see what I'm talking about somewhat. I thought they might be stretch marks too, but I didn't think people really got them right there. They're about two inches down from where I shoot on my delts. They're also in the exact same spot on both sides, which I found a bit odd. I thought it might have something to do with the test running it's course. Weird. Maybe they'll go away. If not, I'm not overly worried. Not like my goal is to be perfect by any means.

02-08-2004, 10:29 PM	#7
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I have had localized swelling, redness, and heat from gear if that is something you are experiencing.

02-09-2004, 12:17 AM	#8
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	ive got stretch marks everywhere nothing to worry about just tan and u will look fine

02-09-2004, 01:59 AM	#9
Evil ANT Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 629 Photos: 3	Thanks for the info, guys. I've been meaning to post this for the last few weeks but kept forgetting until I noticed the marks again earlier today. I almost didn't even bother posting about it because I thought it was pretty trivial, but thought "better safe than sorry." Didn't want to find out a month down the road that I have some nasty infection or something. Mudge, I am experiencing a lot of heat since starting my cycle. I get hot very easily. Overall, though, that (and the marks on my arm) seem to be the only side effects I'm showing. Not bad.

02-09-2004, 04:14 PM	#11
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I've had mild gear flu before from Ttokkyo stuff, and later more severe from high mg/ml stuff, mostly localized heat however. When putting on lots of weight in a relatively short time span though, I do notice more sweating and such but that is natural.

02-09-2004, 04:26 PM	#12
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,258	keep us posted on how it loooks....

02-10-2004, 12:33 AM	#14
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I wasn't on anything, I got it naturally. I was around 18 and lifting like a mother f'er, thats is when I first hit 17" on the arms.

02-10-2004, 11:29 PM	#19
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	Thickone, its a Sesame Street yoke. ST240, I was using a massive overtraining program and really I didn't know what I was doing diet wise, but it kicked my ass. I have posted the beginning part of the routine before, but seriously without 2-3 hours free time in your day split in half from morning to night, its not worth even trying. From what I know though, while the author claimed to obtain this information from a conference with some Bulgarians, I hear that it was complete BS. Phil Hernon and Tom Platz put thier faces to some degree on the book, but Phil supposedly later claimed it was all pulled out of said authors ass. However, it was because of this program that I learned to love more frequent training, and occasional bouts of high volume training. For long periods of time though, even at 27 years old it starts to hurt me so I dont like kicking my ass non stop.

02-11-2004, 12:55 AM	#20
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	Ill have to ask phil about this maybe i can get him to come over and post here

02-11-2004, 01:03 AM	#21
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I would be interested to know, because the "story" is that he was just fine being open and honest about his association during that time. This would have been in regards to Leo Costas Jr., you've probably heard the name before if you've ever seen the adds, he ran another program or two in book form later on.

02-11-2004, 01:38 AM	#22
ST240 ...And justice for all. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,390	Mudge, how did you get such good results with a shitty diet then? edit: im not questioning you im just wondering how that works biologically

02-11-2004, 09:24 AM	#23
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,075 Photos: 1	I was young for one thing, for another I'm sure I ate plenty to make those reasonable gains, I just didn't know what I was doing diet wise nor did I count anything. I weigh more now and am bigger now obviously, but I am eating corn dogs and various other crap too, its not oatmeal/rice all day long. If I wasn't lifting or anything my natural bodyweight would be 210-215, which leveled off around the time I was 21.

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