what if a beginer tried..?

willus72 · 02-28-2004, 10:05 PM

hypothetically speaking what would happen if a beginner pumped himself full of shit before his body was ready for it. someone on another forum said that because the muscle is not matured it would cause really ugly soft gaines. is this true? could a person get hurt like this? i know its bad, just wondering why. whould the same apply to ph's?

Just a guy · 02-28-2004, 10:23 PM

just matters on genetics...

willus72 · 02-28-2004, 10:37 PM

like? is there anyway to tell without trying?

GSXR750 · 02-28-2004, 10:38 PM

This is really a retorical question..
Lets think about it....if you have never picked up a weight in your life, what makes you think that because you're pluging shit into your body thats going to turn you into some kind of genetic freak.
THE HULK IS A JOKE!
Pick those weights up first.
You will mess yourself up real bad as well as waste your time/money. The readiness you're talking about is a combination BODY + WORK + EDUCATION = this equals results (wether this is from that "super creatine" or not)

willus72 · 02-28-2004, 10:42 PM

i'm not going to i was just wondering what would happen. thats where the education part comes in lol.
i understand you would mess your self up real bad i was just wondering, what would get messed up?

**Mudge** · 02-29-2004, 12:11 AM

Pumped full of shit means nothing without proper diet.

"Before your body was ready for it" explain what in the world that means first.

I eat north of 5000 calories a day (5200-6000 or so) every day to maintain my 250-255 bodyweight, to weigh more I would have to eat even more, and its already difficult and time consuming. If you miss a day here or there, there goes a couple pounds. If you keep doing that, you lose alot of weight.

Forget the drugs, its way more diet oriented than anything else.

Power Rabbit · 02-29-2004, 03:01 AM

wow mudge you hit 220 to 255...your dwarfing the hell outta me...im just gald thgis ph cycle broke me out of my 190-200 slump and im holdin strong around 210

Vieope · 02-29-2004, 07:16 AM

I agree with Mudge about dieting first but using common sense I think that using correctly it wouldn´t do any harm. How can somebody say that a muscle is prepared for drugs ? Just because of the size?

**Mudge** · 02-29-2004, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by Power Rabbit
wow mudge you hit 220 to 255...

I haven't been 220 for a good while, but I was on a super low 2300 calorie diet awhile back.

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Originally posted by Vieope
I agree with Mudge about dieting first but using common sense I think that using correctly it wouldn´t do any harm. How can somebody say that a muscle is prepared for drugs ? Just because of the size?

The only thing I could dig up with relation to this, is that steroids dont work well on people who are not very athletic. Build your foundation, learn what you are doing, or your results will suck.

Vieope · 02-29-2004, 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by Mudge
The only thing I could dig up with relation to this, is that steroids dont work well on people who are not very athletic. Build your foundation, learn what you are doing, or your results will suck.

I don´t agree with that , I saw some friends that never trained in their life making huge progress, adding like 20 pounds or more of muscle, easily. They started steroids in the first month of weight trainning.

**Mudge** · 02-29-2004, 09:56 AM

20 pounds, which they could have gotten naturally.

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Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.

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Vieope · 02-29-2004, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by Mudge
20 pounds, which they could have gotten naturally.

I knew that you would say that. I was just waiting.
I was led to believe that the use of anabolics was crucial because it all occured so fast.

Vieope · 02-29-2004, 10:19 AM

One more thing, why I see many ppl doing PHs here ? I know for sure they don´t have 3 years of consistent trainning.

Just a guy · 02-29-2004, 10:40 AM

tell me somethin... If someone sleeps till lunch time EVERY day... or about 11... and there on roids.. should they wake up in the middle of the night and eat... and/or drink a protein shake..? or do u think they have enough juice to make it through the night..... just wondering... because I sleep late... im usually up by 10...

Power Rabbit · 02-29-2004, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Mudge
I haven't been 220 for a good while, but I was on a super low 2300 calorie diet awhile back.

whoops i meant 250-255