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03-11-2004, 05:59 PM
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preserving Raw powder
BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com I have some Test prop and some EQ... quite a bit of it... and i was wondering... How can u preserve these 2? i think both of them have a shelf life of two years... but i have no idea How long they were sitting before i got them.
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03-12-2004, 09:48 AM
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Yeah I think Vaccum sealed is the way to go. If not maybe put it in a ziplock and put it in the freezer.
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03-12-2004, 10:23 AM
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Thats one good thing to bring up, there is no BA in there and you are going to expose it to air. I would convert it all probably just to feel safe, otherwise yeah, cool dry etc
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03-12-2004, 12:43 PM
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I'd ask on the conversion board or something, get better advice.
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03-16-2004, 11:35 AM
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03-16-2004, 05:09 PM
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well join and read the thread............
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03-16-2004, 05:24 PM
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Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Age: 25 Posts: 23 How long can Methyl powders be stored? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How long can powders such as M-1-T and M-Dien be stored for? Would it help to vaccume pack it or store in A fridge? Also, would tabs be better for long term storage? __________________ High-Intensity Hellhound View Public Profile Send a private message to Hellhound Find More Posts by Hellhound Add Hellhound to Your Buddy List 03-06-2004, 02:56 AM #2 ex_banana-eater Band Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 373 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by Hellhound How long can powders such as M-1-T and M-Dien be stored for? Would it help to vaccume pack it or store in A fridge? Also, would tabs be better for long term storage? I've heard 4 years from someone before. I sent an email about this to Dazed but never got a reply. Hormones break down more rapidly in sunlight, heat, etc. Vacuum sealing them and keeping them in a freezer inside a dark bag would probably slow down the degradation process. How much? I dont know. __________________ Just beyond experience!-- Even great spirits have only their five fingers breadth of experience - just beyond it their thinking ceases and their endless empty space and stupidity begins. from Nietzsche's Daybreak, s. 564, R.J. Hollingdale transl ex_banana-eater View Public Profile Send a private message to ex_banana-eater Send email to ex_banana-eater Find More Posts by ex_banana-eater Add ex_banana-eater to Your Buddy List 03-06-2004, 01:52 PM #3 Hellhound Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Age: 25 Posts: 23 What exactly would long term storage result in? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If stored for A few years, would the product be noticably weaker? Hey, what if you were to make an oral solution (with PEG or oil) and deep freeze it, would that last any longer? We are going to have to figure this out because I know many of our members are stocking up as well. __________________ High-Intensity Hellhound View Public Profile Send a private message to Hellhound Find More Posts by Hellhound Add Hellhound to Your Buddy List 03-06-2004, 07:11 PM #4 Designer Supps Super Lab Rat Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NY Posts: 361 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the best bet, is to vacuum if possible, store them in the closet. Hoep for around 2 years. Even is they do lose some strength you wold just need to adjust dose when you use them, its not like after 2 years they would be worthless. __________________ Sldgehmr www.DesignerSupps.com Designer Supps View Public Profile Send a private message to Designer Supps Send email to Designer Supps Visit Designer Supps's homepage! Find More Posts by Designer Supps Add Designer Supps to Your Buddy List 03-07-2004, 10:04 AM #5 neurotic3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 54 Posts: 14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't think they turn bad after 2 years. I bought some 4AD caps from Higher Power and their expiration date was 2007, so I think they should last for 3 years even out of the fridge. I don't like to store them in the frindge because I'm afraid humidity screws them. neurotic3 View Public Profile Send a private message to neurotic3 Find More Posts by neurotic3 Add neurotic3 to Your Buddy List 03-07-2004, 10:44 AM #6 Cuffs Will work for supplements Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In my Mobile Observation Platform Posts: 166 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by neurotic3 I don't think they turn bad after 2 years. I bought some 4AD caps from Higher Power and their expiration date was 2007, so I think they should last for 3 years even out of the fridge. I don't like to store them in the frindge because I'm afraid humidity screws them. I've never heard of humidity being a concern with refrigerators. Just the ones that don't have electricity. LOL I don't believe you would want to store powders, or tabs, in a refrigerator. Do like Sledge suggested, seal it and place it in a closet. You want a cool, dry place. I can see storing oils and liquids in a cold environment. __________________ ~Opinions are like assholes...everbody has one. Cuffs View Public Profile Send a private message to Cuffs Send email to Cuffs Find More Posts by Cuffs Add Cuffs to Your Buddy List 03-07-2004, 12:16 PM #7 Lean One Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CT Age: 31 Posts: 349 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by Cuffs I've never heard of humidity being a concern with refrigerators. Just the ones that don't have electricity. LOL I don't believe you would want to store powders, or tabs, in a refrigerator. Do like Sledge suggested, seal it and place it in a closet. You want a cool, dry place. I can see storing oils and liquids in a cold environment. You can't get much cooler and drier than a freezer.Or darker for that matter. Have you ever seen what happens to meat that has spent too long in a freezer? It ends up like a dry sponge. __________________ Powered by >>Intrafitt>> Lean One View Public Profile Send a private message to Lean One Send email to Lean One Find More Posts by Lean One Add Lean One to Your Buddy List 03-08-2004, 12:36 PM #8 csly Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is best to keep them in the frig. Because the particles will not be moving as fast. The cool temp will keep slow the interact of these particles with each other and anything in the environment. Therefore the product will not degrade as quickly. It might be a good idea to vaccum seal the product and then put it into a special freezer bag. The colder the better too. In theroy at a certain temp the particles would not move at and the product would be presevered forever. csly View Public Profile Send a private message to csly Find More Posts by csly Add csly to Your Buddy List 03-10-2004, 02:21 PM #9 neurotic3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 54 Posts: 14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by csly It is best to keep them in the frig. Because the particles will not be moving as fast. The cool temp will keep slow the interact of these particles with each other and anything in the environment. Therefore the product will not degrade as quickly. It might be a good idea to vaccum seal the product and then put it into a special freezer bag. The colder the better too. In theroy at a certain temp the particles would not move at and the product would be presevered forever. Csly, your theory sounds really cool, if we could store powders for, let's say, up to 10-20 years that would be AMAZING. However, I still think that humidity is a big concern, look at how the refrigerator walls are, full of small water drops... I think in this environment humitidy is definately a big concern. neurotic3 View Public Profile Send a private message to neurotic3 Find More Posts by neurotic3 Add neurotic3 to Your Buddy List 03-10-2004, 03:48 PM #10 jweave23 Pork Chop Board Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: PA Age: 25 Posts: 1,757 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by csly In theroy at a certain temp the particles would not move at and the product would be presevered forever. what, like 0 degrees Kelvin? __________________ "Homebrewing is easier than my exgirlfriend" - Kitchen Chemist Power Nutrition, support our sponsor! All the Whey protein, best source around for whey!!! Homebrew Transdermal Recipe Muscle Research, get your IGF-1 here jweave23@cyber-rights.net jweave23 View Public Profile Send a private message to jweave23 Send email to jweave23 Find More Posts by jweave23 Add jweave23 to Your Buddy List 03-10-2004, 04:25 PM #11 neurotic3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 54 Posts: 14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by jweave23 what, like 0 degrees Kelvin? More like absolute ZERO. Have you ever seen "Saint Seiya" serial? neurotic3 View Public Profile Send a private message to neurotic3 Find More Posts by neurotic3 Add neurotic3 to Your Buddy List 03-10-2004, 04:26 PM #12 lancelot Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 106 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- vacuum seal it and put it in the fridge will last you +5years. put it in the freezer +10years. that's my educated "guess". lancelot View Public Profile Send a private message to lancelot Send email to lancelot Find More Posts by lancelot Add lancelot to Your Buddy List 03-10-2004, 04:29 PM #13 neurotic3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 54 Posts: 14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by lancelot vacuum seal it and put it in the fridge will last you +5years. put it in the freezer +10years. that's my educated "guess". How do you "vacuum seal" something? neurotic3 View Public Profile Send a private message to neurotic3 Find More Posts by neurotic3 Add neurotic3 to Your Buddy List 03-10-2004, 05:41 PM #14 rookie88 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 27 Posts: 26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by neurotic3 How do you "vacuum seal" something? you can get a vacuum sealer at any wall-mart. look in the kitchen electronics section. __________________ recommended: http://powernutrition.net/ http://www.designersupps.com http://allthewhey.com/ rookie88 View Public Profile Send a private message to rookie88 Send email to rookie88 Find More Posts by rookie88 Add rookie88 to Your Buddy List 03-11-2004, 09:09 PM #15 Hellhound Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Canada Age: 25 Posts: 23 Sounds good! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, I guess A fridge is humid..But after vaccume sealing it, I dont think it would be A concern. 5 year life would be awesome, even if it did weaken A little bit! __________________ High-Intensity Hellhound View Public Profile Send a private message to Hellhound Find More Posts by Hellhound Add Hellhound to Your Buddy List 03-12-2004, 02:21 PM #16 neurotic3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 54 Posts: 14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you vacuum seal and get it not in the fridge but in the freezer, do you think it could last up to 10-20 years? neurotic3 View Public Profile Send a private message to neurotic3 Find More Posts by neurotic3 Add neurotic3 to Your Buddy List 03-12-2004, 03:08 PM #17 TMack40 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 203 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can order your powders vacuum sealed from 1fast400. 0 degrees Kelvin is absolute zero by the way... __________________ www.abcbodybuilding.com -Good training/nutrition info Just because you workout doesn't mean you're big.... TMack40 View Public Profile Send a private message to TMack40 Send email to TMack40 Find More Posts by TMack40 Add TMack40 to Your Buddy List 03-12-2004, 08:49 PM #18 neurotic3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 54 Posts: 14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by TMack40 You can order your powders vacuum sealed from 1fast400. I ordered 1-test time ago from 1fast and it didn't come vacuum sealed.......... neurotic3 View Public Profile Send a private message to neurotic3 Find More Posts by neurotic3 Add neurotic3 to Your Buddy List 03-12-2004, 09:53 PM #19 Lean One Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CT Age: 31 Posts: 349 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by neurotic3 I ordered 1-test time ago from 1fast and it didn't come vacuum sealed.......... You need to ask for it specificly. If you don't it will not come that way. __________________ Powered by >>Intrafitt>> Lean One View Public Profile Send a private message to Lean One Send email to Lean One Find More Posts by Lean One Add Lean One to Your Buddy List 03-12-2004, 11:00 PM #20 neurotic3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 54 Posts: 14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by Lean One You need to ask for it specificly. If you don't it will not come that way. Will it be more expensive that way? If it comes vacuum sealed could I get it in the freezer with no prob and expect it to last for 5-10 years? neurotic3 View Public Profile Send a private message to neurotic3 Find More Posts by neurotic3 Add neurotic3 to Your Buddy List 03-12-2004, 11:02 PM #21 chemikill Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Age: 25 Posts: 21 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by neurotic3 Will it be more expensive that way? If it comes vacuum sealed could I get it in the freezer with no prob and expect it to last for 5-10 years? It is $3 more,but I don't know if it will withstand the freezer climate. -chem. chemikill View Public Profile Send a private message to chemikill Send email to chemikill Find More Posts by chemikill Add chemikill to Your Buddy List 03-13-2004, 08:12 AM #22 Lean One Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CT Age: 31 Posts: 349 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by chemikill It is $3 more,but I don't know if it will withstand the freezer climate. -chem. Sldge has told me personally that's the best place to put them. __________________ Powered by >>Intrafitt>> Lean One View Public Profile Send a private message to Lean One Send email to Lean One Find More Posts by Lean One Add Lean One to Your Buddy List 03-14-2004, 11:06 AM #23 neurotic3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 54 Posts: 14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, to sum up, I have these two final questions: 1) How long will powders last if stored in a dark cool place without vacuum sealing? 2) How long will powders last if stores in the fridge/freezer vacuum sealed? Thank you. neurotic3 View Public Profile Send a private message to neurotic3 Find More Posts by neurotic3 Add neurotic3 to Your Buddy List 03-14-2004, 12:17 PM #24 rookie88 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 27 Posts: 26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by neurotic3 So, to sum up, I have these two final questions: 1) How long will powders last if stored in a dark cool place without vacuum sealing? 2) How long will powders last if stores in the fridge/freezer vacuum sealed? Thank you. This has been talked about before. No one knows for sure. It is safe to say at least two years. IMO 5+ years __________________ recommended: http://powernutrition.net/ http://www.designersupps.com http://allthewhey.com/ rookie88 View Public Profile Send a private message to rookie88 Send email to rookie88 Find More Posts by rookie88 Add rookie88 to Your Buddy List 03-14-2004, 12:31 PM #25 neurotic3 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 54 Posts: 14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by rookie88 This has been talked about before. No one knows for sure. It is safe to say at least two years. IMO 5+ years Then I think that as an estimation guideline I will keep in mind that they will last 2 years outside the freezer and 5 years in the freezer. Thank you. neurotic3 View Public Profile Send a private message to neurotic3 Find More Posts by neurotic3 Add neurotic3 to Your Buddy List Yesterday, 02:06 AM #26 Designer Supps Super Lab Rat Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NY Posts: 361 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The key is dry, cool dark place. I was thinking of doing freezer packing but they would have to be in bigger chunks. like 5gms packs at a time. __________________ Sldgehmr www.DesignerSupps.com Designer Supps View Public Profile Send a private message to Designer Supps Send email to Designer Supps Visit Designer Supps's homepage! Find More Posts by Designer Supps Add Designer Supps to Your Buddy List Yesterday, 10:48 PM #27 kimo_brah Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's what I'm thinking of doing: Mix powder in Everclear 151 proof vaccum seal the bottle in a plastic freezer bag keep in freezer |
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09-05-2004, 06:17 PM
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DONT ASK FOR SOURCES, this is not an open source forum.
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09-05-2004, 07:04 PM
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Your second post in a year and you ask for a source...
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09-05-2004, 07:08 PM
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I'm not a moderator.... but please don't ask for sources on this public forum. Read the rules.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=26651 (Please Read The Rules) |
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09-06-2004, 09:58 AM
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Sorry/may have found solution
I missed the part about looking for sources in a private forum. I believe I did, however; find the answer to my problem. I found websites selling quantities of cow ear implants, (Trenbolone Acetate). I can legally order this stuff. Does anyone have any experience in this area? I'd appreciate some input
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09-06-2004, 11:59 AM
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Yes, trenbolone is quote popular.
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Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench
Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks |
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