My Enanthate Thoughts...

**Dale Mabry** · 03-30-2004, 05:46 PM

Well, I figured I would start putting something on here regarding my enanthae when something happened. I am running 500mg enanthate every 6 days for 60 days and running M1T@ 20mg/ day for the first 3 weeks. I started the M1T 2 Fridays ago with my first shot of enanthate last wednesday and my second this morning. I am running and underground lab's enanthate and today, for the very first time in my life, I had to use a facial cleanser.

Sunday I started to notice that my forehead was getting a little oily and today at work I noticed that the rest of my face, shoulders, chest and back are all oily now too. I am a guy who has never had a pimple or oily skin ever, not even in puberty. All my lifts have gone up and I am already at 234 lbs, but I attribute all that to the M1T. I guess in the next couple weeks I will be seeing the enanthate kick in so hopefully I have something to report.

By the way, this is the high concentration stuff and I am not kidding you when i tell you that it hurts like a mofo about 3 days after injection. This time I injected with .5cc of bacteriostatic water so let's hope that helps me out a bit. I would use B12 if I had it, but I have 30 mL of bacteriostatic water that I am not going to use anyway and B12 is dissolved in it anyway.

Power Rabbit · 03-30-2004, 06:24 PM

id never touch high mg/ml stuff... its bad in so many ways

BA eats muscle...high mg/ml has to have higher BA...more likely to get a imploded spot at your jab spots after extended use...

Its more likely to be underdosed

It hurts

JerseyDevil · 03-30-2004, 06:39 PM

I think Dale has learned that the hard way... I almost went with 400mg/ml gear and was advised against it.

I'm doing 250mg/ml test enanthate and it is relatively painless. Have done two delt and one quad injection thus far with very little discomfort.

**Dale Mabry** · 03-30-2004, 07:02 PM

Would it have that much more BA than if you were to use 250mg @ 2cc?

ST240 · 03-30-2004, 07:29 PM

dude i have the worst facial acne now from my test/deca cycle.... im going to goto a dermatologist and see what they can do about it.... i just got a new girlfriend too

i hope she doesnt dump me

Power Rabbit · 03-31-2004, 03:52 AM

very much actually...there is a saturation point where you can only suspend but so much steroid in 1 ml of oil....as you get closer to that point the ba you need rises exponentially....

supertech · 03-31-2004, 06:48 AM

Just wondering why you would take m-1t with test.Why not do a stronger oral like D-dol?

**Dale Mabry** · 03-31-2004, 06:50 AM

Had extra M1T.

supertech · 03-31-2004, 06:59 AM

Oh ok, Just was wondering cause I am going to do a test enanthate only cycle in a couple of weeks.

**Mudge** · 03-31-2004, 12:23 PM

I never had facial acne from gear until I quit about 5 weeks ago, hows that for strange. Lower back, rear delts, back of triceps, chest - yes on all counts. When it got really bad it even started getting down to my bicep area.

SJ69 · 03-31-2004, 07:19 PM

After my last m-1-t cycle I got acne real bad, esp on chest, shoulders and back. It also occured post cycle and with such a short half life of an oral it seems strange. Maybe it had something to do with the Tamoxifin at 40md/d???

TrojanMan60563 · 04-01-2004, 12:09 AM

not to sound dumb but what is BA? And also isn't the methylated 4ADD the closest thing to dbol?

Power Rabbit · 04-01-2004, 02:43 AM

ba= benzol alcohol...

and no m4ad is nothing like dbol...closest thing is m1,4 andro

**Dale Mabry** · 04-01-2004, 08:02 AM

Still haven't got acne yet, but I went and bought a facial cleanser today just in case. Using the bacteriostatic water seems to have reduced the length of time I am in pain, it seems as though everything is pretty cool now. I have to say that both times I have injected the needle popped out a bit too, which I am sure has something to do with the pain.

**Mudge** · 04-01-2004, 11:20 AM

Sterile oil should reduce the effects more than bac water, some people react poorly to bac water which I have never had a problem with. Some people inject quickly though so I wonder if that is the issue.

**Dale Mabry** · 04-01-2004, 12:15 PM

I was thinking the same thing. Over at BB, a guy recommends injecting with the Bac water coming out of the syringe first. I was thinking this would give the plunger some momentum when it got to the oil, forcing it in deeper. I did it the opposite way because it seemed it would be better. I will try the "right" way this week.

**Dale Mabry** · 04-05-2004, 08:40 AM

Well, here is an update. Dropped the M1T yesterday morning, I was getting painful migraines. AS of today, they are much better. I even had to miss bench yesterday because everytime i strained i thought my head was gonna explode. I switched up my injection schedule so that I do 250mg every 3 days, which ends up beig 1/2 cc of test and 1/4cc of Bac water. I injected in R glute last night and heated it while I slept for a couple hours. Will let yo uall know how things go in a day or two, don't wanna jinx it.

Skin is even oiler, althoug it dried out yesterday cuz I used too much salicylic acid soap. MUCH, MUCH hornier as well.

**Dale Mabry** · 04-05-2004, 02:49 PM

Well, weights all went up 20lbs today, which was push day, despite removing the M1T. May be "seeing" the first effects in the gym. Also, my nuts are pathetic.

PreMier · 04-05-2004, 04:59 PM

2 skittles in a tea bag eh?

ST240 · 04-05-2004, 05:21 PM

im doing 375mg cypionate per week and ive barely noticed any shrinkage

**Dale Mabry** · 04-05-2004, 05:29 PM

I gots significant shrinkage, but it is prolly from the M1T

JerseyDevil · 04-05-2004, 05:58 PM

Dale, I take it cutting the test with bac water worked to reduce the pain? I hope so.

As for me, I'm noticing some gains, mainly weight. For me M1T usually takes two weeks for strength gains to show (and today is the two week mark). I'm up around 10-12 lbs and strength about 10-15 lbs. Today, I noticed a really strong pump, unlike any I've had before in my biceps when doing back and bi's. I think that is the test starting to kick in.

**Dale Mabry** · 04-05-2004, 06:32 PM

Cutting the test dose in half and adding the Bac water has seemed to help, but I will tell you in a day or 2.

**dg806** · 04-06-2004, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
Also, my nuts are pathetic.

Do you have or can you get HCG? I think I would run some at this point as it will only get worse with the continuing test cycle.

**Dale Mabry** · 04-06-2004, 07:28 AM

I have some hCG, but I only have 5000 ius so I was gonna save it til the end. Anyone got any ideas? I actually may be able to get some more, I may be placing a separate order in a week or so.

I would say the ole nuts are at about half-size.

**dg806** · 04-06-2004, 08:04 AM

I think if you wait too long it will be a hard recovery. I would start now and see if you can get more if you need it. If I remeber correctly 500 IU's a week might suffice. Don't over do-it~

**Dale Mabry** · 04-06-2004, 08:14 AM

I thought you had to do it ED since that is around the half-life. If it were every week I would be fine since I am hitting the enanthate for 60 days and I am already 14 days in.

**dg806** · 04-06-2004, 08:27 AM

Mudge can definately fill you in on that.

**Mudge** · 04-06-2004, 12:37 PM

Most people run it twice a week, it lives in the body for around 5 days so the docs say, if you want to run it ED though you can.

250-500 iu per administration.

03-30-2004, 05:46 PM	#1
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,787 Photos: 10	My Enanthate Thoughts... Well, I figured I would start putting something on here regarding my enanthae when something happened. I am running 500mg enanthate every 6 days for 60 days and running M1T@ 20mg/ day for the first 3 weeks. I started the M1T 2 Fridays ago with my first shot of enanthate last wednesday and my second this morning. I am running and underground lab's enanthate and today, for the very first time in my life, I had to use a facial cleanser. Sunday I started to notice that my forehead was getting a little oily and today at work I noticed that the rest of my face, shoulders, chest and back are all oily now too. I am a guy who has never had a pimple or oily skin ever, not even in puberty. All my lifts have gone up and I am already at 234 lbs, but I attribute all that to the M1T. I guess in the next couple weeks I will be seeing the enanthate kick in so hopefully I have something to report. By the way, this is the high concentration stuff and I am not kidding you when i tell you that it hurts like a mofo about 3 days after injection. This time I injected with .5cc of bacteriostatic water so let's hope that helps me out a bit. I would use B12 if I had it, but I have 30 mL of bacteriostatic water that I am not going to use anyway and B12 is dissolved in it anyway.
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03-30-2004, 07:02 PM	#4
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,787 Photos: 10	Would it have that much more BA than if you were to use 250mg @ 2cc?
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03-31-2004, 06:50 AM	#8
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,787 Photos: 10	Had extra M1T.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

03-31-2004, 12:23 PM	#10
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	I never had facial acne from gear until I quit about 5 weeks ago, hows that for strange. Lower back, rear delts, back of triceps, chest - yes on all counts. When it got really bad it even started getting down to my bicep area.
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04-01-2004, 08:02 AM	#14
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,787 Photos: 10	Still haven't got acne yet, but I went and bought a facial cleanser today just in case. Using the bacteriostatic water seems to have reduced the length of time I am in pain, it seems as though everything is pretty cool now. I have to say that both times I have injected the needle popped out a bit too, which I am sure has something to do with the pain.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

03-30-2004, 06:24 PM	#2
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	id never touch high mg/ml stuff... its bad in so many ways BA eats muscle...high mg/ml has to have higher BA...more likely to get a imploded spot at your jab spots after extended use... Its more likely to be underdosed It hurts

03-30-2004, 06:39 PM	#3
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,180	I think Dale has learned that the hard way... I almost went with 400mg/ml gear and was advised against it. I'm doing 250mg/ml test enanthate and it is relatively painless. Have done two delt and one quad injection thus far with very little discomfort.

03-30-2004, 07:29 PM	#5
ST240 ...And justice for all. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,390	dude i have the worst facial acne now from my test/deca cycle.... im going to goto a dermatologist and see what they can do about it.... i just got a new girlfriend too i hope she doesnt dump me

03-31-2004, 03:52 AM	#6
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	very much actually...there is a saturation point where you can only suspend but so much steroid in 1 ml of oil....as you get closer to that point the ba you need rises exponentially....

03-31-2004, 06:48 AM	#7
supertech American BadAss Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,968	Just wondering why you would take m-1t with test.Why not do a stronger oral like D-dol?

03-31-2004, 06:59 AM	#9
supertech American BadAss Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,968	Oh ok, Just was wondering cause I am going to do a test enanthate only cycle in a couple of weeks.

03-31-2004, 07:19 PM	#11
SJ69 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 1,023 Photos: 1	After my last m-1-t cycle I got acne real bad, esp on chest, shoulders and back. It also occured post cycle and with such a short half life of an oral it seems strange. Maybe it had something to do with the Tamoxifin at 40md/d???

04-01-2004, 12:09 AM	#12
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,926 Photos: 1	not to sound dumb but what is BA? And also isn't the methylated 4ADD the closest thing to dbol?

04-01-2004, 02:43 AM	#13
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	ba= benzol alcohol... and no m4ad is nothing like dbol...closest thing is m1,4 andro

04-01-2004, 11:20 AM	#15
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Sterile oil should reduce the effects more than bac water, some people react poorly to bac water which I have never had a problem with. Some people inject quickly though so I wonder if that is the issue.

04-05-2004, 04:59 PM	#19
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,055 Photos: 2	2 skittles in a tea bag eh?
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04-01-2004, 12:15 PM	#16
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,787 Photos: 10	I was thinking the same thing. Over at BB, a guy recommends injecting with the Bac water coming out of the syringe first. I was thinking this would give the plunger some momentum when it got to the oil, forcing it in deeper. I did it the opposite way because it seemed it would be better. I will try the "right" way this week.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

04-05-2004, 08:40 AM	#17
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,787 Photos: 10	Well, here is an update. Dropped the M1T yesterday morning, I was getting painful migraines. AS of today, they are much better. I even had to miss bench yesterday because everytime i strained i thought my head was gonna explode. I switched up my injection schedule so that I do 250mg every 3 days, which ends up beig 1/2 cc of test and 1/4cc of Bac water. I injected in R glute last night and heated it while I slept for a couple hours. Will let yo uall know how things go in a day or two, don't wanna jinx it. Skin is even oiler, althoug it dried out yesterday cuz I used too much salicylic acid soap. MUCH, MUCH hornier as well.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

04-05-2004, 02:49 PM	#18
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,787 Photos: 10	Well, weights all went up 20lbs today, which was push day, despite removing the M1T. May be "seeing" the first effects in the gym. Also, my nuts are pathetic.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

04-05-2004, 05:21 PM	#20
ST240 ...And justice for all. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,390	im doing 375mg cypionate per week and ive barely noticed any shrinkage

04-05-2004, 05:29 PM	#21
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,787 Photos: 10	I gots significant shrinkage, but it is prolly from the M1T
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

04-05-2004, 05:58 PM	#22
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,180	Dale, I take it cutting the test with bac water worked to reduce the pain? I hope so. As for me, I'm noticing some gains, mainly weight. For me M1T usually takes two weeks for strength gains to show (and today is the two week mark). I'm up around 10-12 lbs and strength about 10-15 lbs. Today, I noticed a really strong pump, unlike any I've had before in my biceps when doing back and bi's. I think that is the test starting to kick in.

04-05-2004, 06:32 PM	#23
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,787 Photos: 10	Cutting the test dose in half and adding the Bac water has seemed to help, but I will tell you in a day or 2.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

04-06-2004, 07:28 AM	#25
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,787 Photos: 10	I have some hCG, but I only have 5000 ius so I was gonna save it til the end. Anyone got any ideas? I actually may be able to get some more, I may be placing a separate order in a week or so. I would say the ole nuts are at about half-size.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

04-06-2004, 08:04 AM	#26
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,155	I think if you wait too long it will be a hard recovery. I would start now and see if you can get more if you need it. If I remeber correctly 500 IU's a week might suffice. Don't over do-it~
	www.sbmuscle.com

04-06-2004, 08:14 AM	#27
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,787 Photos: 10	I thought you had to do it ED since that is around the half-life. If it were every week I would be fine since I am hitting the enanthate for 60 days and I am already 14 days in.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

04-06-2004, 08:27 AM	#28
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,155	Mudge can definately fill you in on that.
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04-06-2004, 12:37 PM	#29
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Most people run it twice a week, it lives in the body for around 5 days so the docs say, if you want to run it ED though you can. 250-500 iu per administration.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks