How do u know if u have Good genetics?

Just a guy · 04-01-2004, 05:57 PM

Dumb question i know.... but my PCT is going frickin wonderful.. and i cant understand why...

before i went on PCT i was at 230lbs, after a week of PCT i am Down to 213lbs!!! But all the muscle is still there... and my strength is the same... That was the EXACT same weight i was when i 1st started roids 8 months ago. But when i was cutting i could never get below 222lbs... its some wierd shit. i cant decide if i got good genetics or im lucky... because right now im eating a shitload of EVERYTHING just like when i was bulking and now im burning Massive amounts of fat. I'm even consuming alot of weight gainer.
I make excellent gains on cycle... my bench went from 205 to 415 in 8 months. Not bad i guess... but i dunno.
what yall think????

Spitfire · 04-01-2004, 06:10 PM

Hey congrats man... and I dont Know ^

Vieope · 04-01-2004, 06:17 PM

I think that you shouldn´t worry if things are going well to you.

TrojanMan60563 · 04-01-2004, 06:22 PM

Just ask Dexter Jackson. He claims its not about drugs but his superior genetics. I am sure he would know superior genetics when he sees them.

Vieope · 04-01-2004, 06:29 PM

Oh, there is this article, it does make sense :

Quote:

Originally posted by waynelucky
GENETIC POTENTIAL
ARTHUR JONES said over twentyfive years ago that most bodybuilders strongmen are not realistic in their goals.
They want something that is beyond their genetic potential-namely great mus- cular size. In other words, their goal is simply not possible!
he went several steps further by saying that the major genetic factor behind great muscular size, especially in the arms, is extremely long muscle bellies in your biceps and triceps. And the length of your muscle bellies is 100 percent genetically deter- mined. What you were Born with is what you must live and die with.
Many of the bodybuilders especially Boyer Coe, Casey Viator, Sergio Oliva, Ed Robinson, Manfred h. mariuzsi p. and Arnold
have very long muscle bellies in their arms. It is no wondher that they have some of the biggest and best-shaped biceps and triceps in the world.
It is a known physiological fact that the longer a person's muscle, the greater the cross-sectional area and the overall volume of that muscle can become. Simple phys- iology reveals that for a muscle to be wide it has to be long. A short muscle could not be wide because its angle of pull would he so poor it would not be able to function effi- ciently. Thus, the body would not permit a short, wide muscle to exist.
How do you determine if you have long, average, or short muscle bellies in your upperarms?
The key factor is where your biceps and triceps muscles attach to the tendons that cross your elbow joints.
EVALUATING YOUR BICEPS POTENTIAL
let's begin with the biceps. Take off your
shirt and bit a double-biceps pose in front of
a mirror. look closely at the inside elbow
area of both arms. Now, pronate (turn your hands away from your head) and supinate (turn your hands toward your head) your hands. Notice that when you supinate your hands, your biceps get more peaked. That's because the primary function of your biceps
is supination of the hand.
Go back to the double-biceps pose with your hands fully supinated. The bend in your arms, or the angle between the bones in your upper arms and forearms should he 90 degrees. look at the gap between your contracted biceps and elbow. How wide is
the gap?
Before you measure it, relax your arms for a few minutes and while you're relaxing, do the following. Take your right hand and place your fingers and thumb across the crook of your left elbow. You should he able to feel the large tendon of the biceps as it crosses the front of the elbow joint and inserts into the radius bone of the forearm. In fact, as you gently contract your left biceps, dig your
tips into the elbow gap and get a good feel of the cablelike tendon. Follow the tendon up the arm until you feel where it connects to your biceps. It's the distance between where your biceps meets the tendon and where the tendon crosses the elbow joint that you need to determine.
Hit the double-biceps pose once again. Make sure your hands are fully supinated and that the bend in your arms is 90 degrees. Have a friend measure with a ruler the distance between the inside of your elbow (look for the crease in the skin on the front side of your elbow) and the inside edge of your contracted biceps. BY the way this distance will be the same distance before you ever started training and if you train for many years no matter how much muscle you pack on that distance will never move its genetical determined
Do it for both yourleft and right arms
.
What do the resulting figures mean? Although this is certainly not an exact
science by any means, my experience leads me to make the following generalizations:

Biceps Potential for Building Mass

Distance Between Elbow and Edge of
Contracted Biceps.
Biceps length Potential
½ “ or less long Great
½”-1” Above average Good
1”-1 ½” average average
1-1/2” to 2” below average poor
2” or more short very minimal

The bodybuilders with the really massive arms all have 1/2inch or less distance be- tween their elbows and contracted biceps. In other words, in their biceps they have long muscle bellies, short tendons, and great potential.
Sergio Oliva, the man with one of the most mas- sive muscular arms in the world, has biceps muscles that are so long there are no gaps between his elbows and contracted biceps. That's right-no gaps, Sergio's arms would actually measure larger if he could fully contract his biceps by bending his elbows more. Sergio is one of the very few people in the world who has muscles that actually limit his range of movement. But even so, there are thousands of men today who would
gladly trade their biceps for Sergio's.
While no one questions the importance of well-developed biceps, the muscle that con- tributes the most to the mass of the upper arm is the triceps.
EVALUATING YOUR TRICEPS POTENTIAL
The length of the triceps, compared to the biceps, is harder to determine. The difficulty lies in the fact that the junction between the three beads of the triceps and their common tendon is more difficult to measure and evaluate.
The triceps-as the name implies-is composed of three beads: lateral, long, and medial. All three beads attach to a large flat tendon that runs across the back of the elbow and connects to the forearm bone.
Take off your shirt again and look in the mirror. Turn to your side. With your elbow straight and your arm by your side, contract your triceps. You should observe, if you are reasonably lean, a distinct horseshoe shape to your triceps. The lateral head of your triceps forms one side of the horseshoe, the medial head forms the other side, the long head is at the top, and the tendon occupies the flat space in the middle.
What I've observed over many years is
that the men with the really massive triceps

of a horseshoe shape to the back of their arms. The flat space in the middle of the horseshoe is partially covered by the unusual length of the long head at the top. And the lateral and medial beads on the sides resemble upside-down soft drink bot- tles. What's left of the tendon is about the
size of a rounded-off-at-one-end credit card. Sergio Oliva, for example, has no horse-
shoe shape at all to the back of his arms. Bill Pearl's triceps are much the same as Ser- gio's, as are the triceps of Ray and Mike Mentzer.
To determine your triceps potential, here's what to do. With your elbow straight and your arm by your side, contract your triceps. Have a friend measure the distance from the tip of your elbow to the top of the inside of the horseshoe. In other words, you are measur- ing the longest portion of the flat tendon.
Remember, the longer the tendon, the shorter the muscle. Or the shorter the
tendon, the longer the muscle.
Here are my generalizations for estimating your triceps potential:

Triceps Potential for Building Mass
Distance Between
Elbow Tip and
Top of Inside of
Horseshoe Triceps Length Potential
3" or less long great
3"-4" above average good
4"-6" average average
6"-7" below average poor
7"or more short very minimal

You can still have a massive triceps- even if you have a short, long head-if your lateral and medial beads are long and thick. The triceps chart, therefore, is not as accu- rate as the biceps table.
My advice is to use both the biceps and the triceps charts in a very general, non- definitive manner.
LOOKING AT THE PROBABILITIES
What are your chances for building a really big pair of arms? The type that would place you in the top five of the Mr. Olympia
contest?
First, as you might already suspect, the odds are not good. At best they are perhaps one in a million. In other words, out of every one million men in the United States, only one has the potential to have arms like Boyer Coe or Casey Viator.
Since there are approximately 242 million people in the United States, and only half of them (121 million) are male, that means
there are 121 males in this country with unusual genetic potential for building mus- cular, 20-inch arms.
Second, if you do have the genetic poten- tial for building big arms, you probably already have big arms-even if you don't train. And if you do train, you probably already believe you understand the basics of bodybuilding because you have big arms. In fact, many of you probably have average, or slightly above-average, genetic potential.
Others of you will have much better-than- average genetic potential and you will
achieve much better-than-average results.
But what can you ultimately become? How big will your arms he if you reach your
genetic potential? In other words, what is a realistic goal for your upper arm circum- ference?
A REALISTIC GOAL
Joe Roark, lists the following formula for the average trainee:
To calculate your upper arm potential, THIS IS JUST A GUIDE DON'T HOLD ME BY IT
multiply your wrist size in inches by 2.3.
For example, if your wrist size is exactly 7 inches, then 7 times 2.3 equals 16.1 inches. "But who wants a 16-inch arm?" you might he thinking.
Well, 1 promise you, a lean muscular 16- inch arm actually looks bigger than it is.
Furthermore, you've certainly got to get 16-inch arms before you move higher up the tape. And if you already have legitimate 16- inch arms, then your goal should he 17 inches. Or if you have 17-inch arms, then shoot for 18 inches.
In the final analysis, he realistic and take it one step at a time.
thank you wayne

crackerjack414 · 04-02-2004, 03:08 AM

i dont know genetics are truely a subjective thing, most every one with the right amount of food and training can get to differnt aspects of development without gear use, then once gear becomes part of the equation the same is true, gear can only take us so far, thats why pros are pros not gear but genetics. Me personaly i was a skinny kid growing up and thought i had shit genetics it took me learning to eat to realy grow while some people can eat 3 meals a day and grow fine.

**Mudge** · 04-02-2004, 11:21 AM

Sounds like you pull in a great deal of water, I on the other hand do not, but I do use Anti A.

You know you have great genetics, when you dont have to ask.

LAM · 04-02-2004, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Sounds like you pull in a great deal of water, I on the other hand do not, but I do use Anti A.

You know you have great genetics, when you dont have to ask.

nicely stated Mudge...

TrojanMan60563 · 04-02-2004, 08:48 PM

everyone has some good genetic triats. Some people put on muscle fairly easy, others stay lean all year doing no cardio and eating what they want. There is very few people that have it perfectly balanced. That is where diet plays the huge role in bodybuilding. But drugs have a HUGE part in how people look. Ronnie Coleman would probably still be a big guy, but he is not of this world huge. He is probably taking mad stuff to get that way and eating like 10K calories a day. But you can only eat that way if your on roids otherwise your body can not even use all of that food to build muscle. You would just get fat as hell eating like the pros do without being on the same gear

**Mudge** · 04-03-2004, 04:02 PM

One of the mods on another board in the offseason is something like 250/260 @ 5'9". He has been a heavy user for years and lifting religiously for I think 12 years (over 19" arms off season). Now with a single cycle he says a guy in his gym has outdone him by eating like shit, cycling like shit, and not lifting all that hard.

Some guys just "have it," most of us are somewhere south of that. I've seen a couple gifted people in my life and they never seem intersted in lifting. My genetics dont totally suck but I know for sure I'm not in the gifted category, I feel lucky to be able to hold what I have gained so far while off-cycle and I'm just happy with that for now.

ST240 · 04-03-2004, 06:13 PM

According to Vieope's quoted post i have very shitty genetics because that tendon in my bicpes is probably around 2 inches

..... donno how accurate that post is tho

**Mudge** · 04-03-2004, 07:25 PM

Your tendons are 2 inches around? How did you come to that conclusion...

ST240 · 04-04-2004, 11:38 AM

2 inches long

Just a guy · 04-04-2004, 11:49 AM

i still cant figure out how to do that Measuring thing...

**Mudge** · 04-04-2004, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ST240
According to Vieope's quoted post i have very shitty genetics because that tendon in my bicpes is probably around 2 inches

..... donno how accurate that post is tho

Looks like a damn good bicep to me, dont whine about it

ST240 · 04-04-2004, 02:59 PM

yeah i guess its not too shabby... i guess the grass is always greener on the other side

TrojanMan60563 · 04-05-2004, 06:42 PM

I think if anyone works hard they can succeed in bodybuilding. You might not be a top pro, but you can reach the pro ranks with half way decent genetics and the knowlege

LAM · 04-05-2004, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TrojanMan60563
I think if anyone works hard they can succeed in bodybuilding. You might not be a top pro, but you can reach the pro ranks with half way decent genetics and the knowlege

yea anyone with a freak genetic profile...if it's that easy why out of the millions of body builders all over the planet only several hundred actually make a living from it ?

**Mudge** · 04-05-2004, 11:40 PM

There are some "ugly" bodies in the pros, and even a couple semi small guys, but the small guys look great asthetically.

Knowlege helps, but until I get that big myself I can't say how many could get there, and my genetics weren't that horrible to start with.

RCfootball87 · 04-09-2004, 09:28 PM

According to this guy, by the wrist measurement formula, my arms could get to jsut above 16 inches, and they're 14 now. I still think I could put a hell of a lot more than 2 inches on my arms.

Just a guy · 04-09-2004, 10:39 PM

its sayin What u can genetically hold...

TrojanMan60563 · 04-09-2004, 10:53 PM

According to that guy up there my genetic potential is 17.25". I have that right now. I think I can grow some 19"-20" arms without using any juice. My arms have grown an inch in 6 months. I personally thing that guys formula is not very accurate. There are a ton of pros out there that do not have great bodies. The point I was trying to make is that if someone is focused they can do it with time. Most of the "bodybuilders" out there not making a living are not that strict on diet, working out etc...

supertech · 04-09-2004, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TrojanMan60563
According to that guy up there my genetic potential is 17.25". I have that right now. I think I can grow some 19"-20" arms without using any juice. My arms have grown an inch in 6 months. I personally thing that guys formula is not very accurate. There are a ton of pros out there that do not have great bodies. The point I was trying to make is that if someone is focused they can do it with time. Most of the "bodybuilders" out there not making a living are not that strict on diet, working out etc...

Thats pretty big arms there trojan,how tall are you?

**Mudge** · 04-10-2004, 12:19 AM

I've grown an inch in a month naturally using an overtraining program, I was stuck in the 17s. An inch in 6 months is no feat to really write home about unless you are getting close to your max, I'm not flaming, but we are talking about an inch here. The mass with each additional inch is not going to be the same as the last, not just because of genetic limitation but mass is NOT a linear measurement of goods like an inch here or there is.

Just a guy · 04-10-2004, 09:32 AM

yehp my genetic potential is also 17.25

but there 17.50 right now... i always feel as if i can grow 20" bi's... but i think everyone "feels" that they can... heh

**Mudge** · 04-10-2004, 02:05 PM

You are on gear though, this is for natural guys.

04-01-2004, 05:57 PM	#1
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	How do u know if u have Good genetics? BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com Dumb question i know.... but my PCT is going frickin wonderful.. and i cant understand why... before i went on PCT i was at 230lbs, after a week of PCT i am Down to 213lbs!!! But all the muscle is still there... and my strength is the same... That was the EXACT same weight i was when i 1st started roids 8 months ago. But when i was cutting i could never get below 222lbs... its some wierd shit. i cant decide if i got good genetics or im lucky... because right now im eating a shitload of EVERYTHING just like when i was bulking and now im burning Massive amounts of fat. I'm even consuming alot of weight gainer. I make excellent gains on cycle... my bench went from 205 to 415 in 8 months. Not bad i guess... but i dunno. what yall think????
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

04-01-2004, 06:10 PM	#2
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04-01-2004, 06:17 PM	#3
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,815 Photos: 10	I think that you shouldn´t worry if things are going well to you.
	FURtherness

04-02-2004, 11:21 AM	#7
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,993 Photos: 1	Sounds like you pull in a great deal of water, I on the other hand do not, but I do use Anti A. You know you have great genetics, when you dont have to ask.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

04-03-2004, 04:02 PM	#10
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,993 Photos: 1	One of the mods on another board in the offseason is something like 250/260 @ 5'9". He has been a heavy user for years and lifting religiously for I think 12 years (over 19" arms off season). Now with a single cycle he says a guy in his gym has outdone him by eating like shit, cycling like shit, and not lifting all that hard. Some guys just "have it," most of us are somewhere south of that. I've seen a couple gifted people in my life and they never seem intersted in lifting. My genetics dont totally suck but I know for sure I'm not in the gifted category, I feel lucky to be able to hold what I have gained so far while off-cycle and I'm just happy with that for now.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

04-01-2004, 06:22 PM	#4
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,908 Photos: 1	Just ask Dexter Jackson. He claims its not about drugs but his superior genetics. I am sure he would know superior genetics when he sees them.

04-02-2004, 03:08 AM	#6
crackerjack414 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cali Posts: 644	i dont know genetics are truely a subjective thing, most every one with the right amount of food and training can get to differnt aspects of development without gear use, then once gear becomes part of the equation the same is true, gear can only take us so far, thats why pros are pros not gear but genetics. Me personaly i was a skinny kid growing up and thought i had shit genetics it took me learning to eat to realy grow while some people can eat 3 meals a day and grow fine.

04-02-2004, 08:48 PM	#9
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,908 Photos: 1	everyone has some good genetic triats. Some people put on muscle fairly easy, others stay lean all year doing no cardio and eating what they want. There is very few people that have it perfectly balanced. That is where diet plays the huge role in bodybuilding. But drugs have a HUGE part in how people look. Ronnie Coleman would probably still be a big guy, but he is not of this world huge. He is probably taking mad stuff to get that way and eating like 10K calories a day. But you can only eat that way if your on roids otherwise your body can not even use all of that food to build muscle. You would just get fat as hell eating like the pros do without being on the same gear

04-03-2004, 07:25 PM	#12
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,993 Photos: 1	Your tendons are 2 inches around? How did you come to that conclusion...
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

04-04-2004, 11:38 AM	#13
ST240 ...And justice for all. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,390	2 inches long

04-04-2004, 11:49 AM	#14
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	i still cant figure out how to do that Measuring thing...
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

04-04-2004, 02:59 PM	#16
ST240 ...And justice for all. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,390	yeah i guess its not too shabby... i guess the grass is always greener on the other side

04-05-2004, 06:42 PM	#17
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,908 Photos: 1	I think if anyone works hard they can succeed in bodybuilding. You might not be a top pro, but you can reach the pro ranks with half way decent genetics and the knowlege

04-05-2004, 11:40 PM	#19
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,993 Photos: 1	There are some "ugly" bodies in the pros, and even a couple semi small guys, but the small guys look great asthetically. Knowlege helps, but until I get that big myself I can't say how many could get there, and my genetics weren't that horrible to start with.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

04-09-2004, 09:28 PM	#20
RCfootball87 Rhino Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 1,303	According to this guy, by the wrist measurement formula, my arms could get to jsut above 16 inches, and they're 14 now. I still think I could put a hell of a lot more than 2 inches on my arms.
	back for the first time....

04-09-2004, 10:39 PM	#21
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	its sayin What u can genetically hold...
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

04-09-2004, 10:53 PM	#22
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,908 Photos: 1	According to that guy up there my genetic potential is 17.25". I have that right now. I think I can grow some 19"-20" arms without using any juice. My arms have grown an inch in 6 months. I personally thing that guys formula is not very accurate. There are a ton of pros out there that do not have great bodies. The point I was trying to make is that if someone is focused they can do it with time. Most of the "bodybuilders" out there not making a living are not that strict on diet, working out etc...

04-10-2004, 12:19 AM	#24
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,993 Photos: 1	I've grown an inch in a month naturally using an overtraining program, I was stuck in the 17s. An inch in 6 months is no feat to really write home about unless you are getting close to your max, I'm not flaming, but we are talking about an inch here. The mass with each additional inch is not going to be the same as the last, not just because of genetic limitation but mass is NOT a linear measurement of goods like an inch here or there is.

04-10-2004, 09:32 AM	#25
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	yehp my genetic potential is also 17.25 but there 17.50 right now... i always feel as if i can grow 20" bi's... but i think everyone "feels" that they can... heh
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

04-10-2004, 02:05 PM	#26
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,993 Photos: 1	You are on gear though, this is for natural guys.