Women and AAS...What it CAN and CAN'T DO

BabsieGirl · 04-06-2004, 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by sana
Courtesy of Newgirl from FitnessGeared. One of my all time favorite posts. Very on point and great read for the lady newbies considering AAS.

Please sticky this

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This is a must read for newbies. And a must read for any woman in fitness who considers herself beyond the "average" gym goer and wants to push past a plateau to build nice quality muscle.

What you think is a clean diet may indeed be one as compared to most Americans however a fitness "clean" diet is so hard to maintain. Even the most celebrated fitness model or competitor cannot keep her bodyfat as low as competition time...it is just not doable nor healthy for the long term.

What you consider a good cardio or good training regmine -- may be that way as compared to others you see day in and day out at the gym however for the body you want that stands out, sacrifices need to be made BEFORE you even consider a cycle of anabolic steriods.

What AAS will NOT do for a women:

1. It will not, after one cycle, make you the hottest thing in a bikini. It will not make you Monica Brant, Jill Mills, Lenda Murray (or any fitness model -- you fill in the name).

2. It will not burn fat.

3. IT WILL NOT BURN FAT...cannot stress this enough.

4. It will NOT lean you out, nor cut you up.

5. It will NOT TONE you -- and please remove the word "tone" from your vocabulary if you are serious about fitness.

What AAS will do for most women:

1. Add a modest amount of strength.

2. Build some muscle ..... overall muscle size as opposed to defined muscle (I will address this later). It will take more than 1 or 2 or even 3 cycles before you get to your desired goal -- perhaps not even to your goal.

3. AAS will cause a positive change to your body however unlikely to be a permanent change without followup cycling or incredibly stringent dieting and training. Meaning that once your cycle is over, by and large after your body releases the chemicals and cleanses itself, it will indeed bring your body back to its previous state. YOU WILL retain some muscle (called keepable gains) if you were eating well all along before, during and after your cycle and continue to do so, but the lasting hardness and loss of estrogenic fat will return. Your body composition will become more soft (this does not mean fat) after the cycle is over.

4. AAS will indeed cause you to become MORE critical of how you look. And therefore be less satisifed with what you see in the mirror. It is a mind game for sure and some people (men and women included become mentally addicted to it).

5. AAS, even the least androgenic of sorts, will cause sides such as, but not limited to: compromised HDL/LDL levels, increased blood pressure, breast shrinkage, loss of menses, water weight gain, dry scalp, oily skin, hair loss, enlarged or sensitive clitoris, voice changes (starting with raspiness and going further into deepness), coarser hair, increased hair growth (everywhere), darkening of previously light/blonde body hair. These are just a few. And don't think or believe for one minute that more hair or a deeper voice won't bother you -- it will ... especially if you have not gotten what you expected from your cycle. The cost analysis - "risk vs. return factor" may not be in your favor (results vs. sides).

AND I SHOULD MENTION, the chemical changes that can occur to your supply of ovum. There is no data as to how AAS will harm a yet to be concieved baby (i.e., birth defects).

I will say that AAS can be a useful tool in pushing through a muscle building plateau but only if every other avenue has been exhausted. It is by no means a quick fix or even a guarantee. For us hardgainers who push more weight than alot of women natural and have a hard time putting on muscle, AAS can help.

Now -- back to overall muscle vs. defined muscle. Overall muscle is muscle you gain during a cycle. Defined muscle is that muscle AFTER you diet down (cutting). It is very rare for a male (doable but rare) to be able to bulk and lose bodyfat at the same time....which of course, makes it that much harder for a woman to achieve both succuessfully.

In order to build muscle (whether using roids or NOT) is being able to EAT to build muscle. Usually, one will need to eat for mass but inherently bodyfat will be a given so as not to cheat your body from the necessary nutrients for effective and successful muscle building. Cardio done too often and too strenuosly while trying to build robs the energy your body needs for muscle building and repair.

In order to get that muscle to show, you will need to diet down. This requires a calorie deficit to help lose fat while making sure not to sacrifice too many protein calories (so you can keep more muscle). Most often, along with fat, you will lose some muscle.
Now there is some success with dieting down and taking AAS to help preserve that muscle however it works for some women but not all...and even so, you still need diet to lose fat -- there is NO MAGIC PILL.

And let me add in addition to dieting, cardio is the only other tool for fat loss. Not easy cardio .... but sweat breaking, chest heaving, side-stitch, "I think am going to die" types of cardio in shorter bursts. Long easy cardio is great for cardiovascular health but not all that effective at burning fat and not muscle. Sprints or intervals are great explosive bouts of cardio to help burn off fat and not disturb too much muscle mass.

I am sure after I post this, I will have forgotten a key element. However when the mods here ask for your background and diet and try to steer you away from AAS as a first choice -- it is not that we are trying to be unhelpful nor to convince you that a cycle is for only the elite of athletes, but too often young women opt for a cycle and end up with terrible sides, lasting compromises and adding muscle over fat which produces are more stocky look. All of that can be avoided with research, asking questions, doing your homework and talking to women who care and have had experiences with it. Too many boards are filled with -- "this is what my boyfriend told me to do -- now what?" -- types of threads.

Men try to be helpful but what works for them is so far and away different than what works for us. So please, the dude at the gym that tells you deca is great and hit yourself with 150 mgs a week ....is not telling you the whole story, when it comes to a woman.

For details on dieting, we have a forum dedicated to that, post your daily intake and ask for a critique. Be ready for some honesty......you would be surprised how many healthy eaters can go astray (me included). I believe kel has a really post in there as does Torchy with some guidelines. I even think Nubian Beauty put together a cutting cycle for someone recently. Hardbodygrl has her diet down to a science. Everyone reacts a bit differently but be honest with yourself about how your daily diet varies from these -- very often little tweaks make big pay offs in the figure.

craig777 · 04-06-2004, 11:15 AM

Jill Mills

MarcusMaximus · 04-06-2004, 04:12 PM

i want whatever drugs that this woman has taken.

DrChiro · 04-06-2004, 04:20 PM

i bet she has a big penis

JerseyDevil · 04-07-2004, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by craig777
Jill Mills

Here is a pic of powerlifter Becca Swanson (who set the "women's" world record of 465 lbs) pretty much dwarfing her buddy Jill Mills.

EDIT: That's 465 in the bench press. At an exhibition he/she benched 500 lbs (!).

MarcusMaximus · 04-07-2004, 04:17 AM

its that placebo effect

BabsieGirl · 04-07-2004, 06:13 AM

JD, that's HUGE!!!!

X Ring · 04-07-2004, 06:43 AM

great read babsie, yeah that picture of Swanson scares me more the thought of Kerry being president

PreMier · 04-07-2004, 04:38 PM

Great read Babs

I must be wierd... I kinda like Jill Mills

MarcusMaximus · 04-07-2004, 05:44 PM

jill mills is hot-- Hey PreMier -she must satisfy the homosexual in you..

( hopefully this is the smiley thing !)

i too find her very hot.... man...

PreMier · 04-07-2004, 06:07 PM

Hahaha.... Bastage!

I suppose you could say that... But as soon as I saw the pic of her friend Becca Swanson, she scared the homosexual right outa me!

GSXR750 · 04-07-2004, 07:44 PM

Yeah, her friend looks like a mountain gorrilla

BUSTINOUT · 04-07-2004, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by PreMier
Great read Babs

I must be wierd... I kinda like Jill Mills

I do too. She is a sharp gal. Not just a musclehead.

BabsieGirl · 04-12-2004, 01:18 PM

Thanks Guys

**dg806** · 04-12-2004, 01:22 PM

Jill Mills-------------I'd hit it!

BabsieGirl · 04-12-2004, 01:29 PM

me too

j/k

JerseyDevil · 04-12-2004, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by dg806
Jill Mills-------------I'd hit it!

With what?

04-06-2004, 04:20 PM	#4
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04-07-2004, 06:13 AM	#7
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	JD, that's HUGE!!!!
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04-07-2004, 04:38 PM	#9
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,084 Photos: 2	Great read Babs I must be wierd... I kinda like Jill Mills
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04-07-2004, 06:07 PM	#11
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,084 Photos: 2	Hahaha.... Bastage! I suppose you could say that... But as soon as I saw the pic of her friend Becca Swanson, she scared the homosexual right outa me!
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

04-12-2004, 01:18 PM	#14
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	Thanks Guys
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04-06-2004, 04:12 PM	#3
MarcusMaximus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 740	i want whatever drugs that this woman has taken.

04-07-2004, 04:17 AM	#6
MarcusMaximus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 740	its that placebo effect

04-07-2004, 06:43 AM	#8
X Ring training to be Goku Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New England Posts: 696	great read babsie, yeah that picture of Swanson scares me more the thought of Kerry being president

04-07-2004, 05:44 PM	#10
MarcusMaximus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 740	jill mills is hot-- Hey PreMier -she must satisfy the homosexual in you.. ( hopefully this is the smiley thing !) i too find her very hot.... man...

04-07-2004, 07:44 PM	#12
GSXR750 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 921 Photos: 4	Yeah, her friend looks like a mountain gorrilla

04-12-2004, 01:22 PM	#15
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,269	Jill Mills-------------I'd hit it!
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04-12-2004, 01:29 PM	#16
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	me too j/k
	Don't hate the player, hate the game!http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/...the%20wave.GIF Before you talk about what you want - appreciate what you have. http://home.earthlink.net/~gwcaton/s...ctures/tmf.jpg A good marriage would be between a blind wife and a deaf husband. -Honore de Balzac Desire+Consistency='s RESULTS

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