advice on a stack

Elipika · 05-07-2004, 12:37 PM

Need some input/advice. I got a chance to get some d-bol or anadrol. I can stack it with deca, primobolin, parabolin, or test suspension (sp).
What would be the best combo?
I am 5’11 and weigh 218lbs. This will be the first time in two years I had done anything. I basically want something simple, 1 pill form, 1 injectable form. My main fear is gaining 20lbs, coming off and losing the majority of my gains. What should I do?

BCC · 05-07-2004, 12:43 PM

If you don't mind every day injections I would use the suspension with dbol.

Primo is junk these days, even if you do find the real thing it's expensive. I'm just flat out not a fan of deca and I wouldn't use parabolin (tren) without using test.

If your biggest fear is losing your gains then you need to invest time (and money) into your post cycle therapy. Perhaps look into HCG if you've had problems in the past maintaining gains from cycles. Or stick with clomid/nolva type therapy.

Fit Freak · 05-07-2004, 03:12 PM

I would say DBol and Test...but 12 weeks of suspension is gonna be a lot of pinning. Don't you have access to Sust or Enanthate??

I agree with the above comments...to get ay real results from Primo it'll put you in the poor-house...and Parabolin no longer exists so I assume you are referring to Tren....which in that casey you need tren and a test. Tren is ED or EOD...so that and Suspension would be a hella of a lot of injections.

If you cannot get a "longer" acting test ester I would wait it out and run DBol, Test, AND Tren....just run the dbol for the first 4 weeks of so.

I would avoid Anadrol period...too harsh unless you have A LOT of experience.

As for Deca...waste IMO.

**Mudge** · 05-07-2004, 05:29 PM

I swear I must be immune to drol because it doesn't do anything to me side wise. I made some powdered winny and drol, the winny is working really well for a friend, I am running the drol @ 100mg twice a day. Its only been 3 days so I have nothing to report, but 100mg I have tried twice before with no significant results other than good strength.

This will be my last time running it, if it doesn't kick ass, its dbol from now on for orals.

Fit Freak · 05-07-2004, 05:39 PM

Mudge...200mg of Anadrol ED...something must be wrong with you're "stuff" cause my source...well...100mg ED would put you on your ass...lol

Just a guy · 05-07-2004, 06:04 PM

i dought mudge has a bad source... I feel ya on that tho... D-bol doesnt do anything for me but never tried drol.

Elipika · 05-11-2004, 12:46 PM

ED & EOD? Define?

**Mudge** · 05-11-2004, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fit Freak
Mudge...200mg of Anadrol ED...something must be wrong with you're "stuff" cause my source...well...100mg ED would put you on your ass...lol

Bol or drol does none of that magical bloating stuff on me, this is my 4th time doing drol and each time was from a different source bro. I am "immune" to free gains.

I knew the IP was bunk, I ran 5 in a row and got nothing. I had green meanies, and I had PPL, right now I'm using powder and the winny I mixed up for a friend is working badass. I was almost nervous to see how he would react and he is in LOVE with it. I've had people tell me that before but I have always been "immune" to things.

I'm 261 at the moment and holding my calories pretty steady about 4500 daily, strength is coming back but that is all drol ever gave me. I am however gaining in size, I'm close to eclipsing the 19" mark for the first time.

I have been very lucky to make good contacts, so I highly doubt I'm getting screwed

This will be my last time doing drol though if I dont see some major ass whuppin, because the $ is not worth it neither is the strain on the liver, if its no better than bol for me.

* Good strength
* Mean back pumps
* Zero lethargy and very little "moon face"

**Mudge** · 05-11-2004, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elipika
ED & EOD? Define?

Every Day, Every Other Day.

My own cycle started on the 24th of last month:

200 prop EOD
200 drol ED (split in two doses AM/PM)

Elipika · 05-11-2004, 02:44 PM

cool, thanks for the info.

plouffe · 05-11-2004, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
very little "moon face"

Whats moon face?

**Mudge** · 05-11-2004, 08:42 PM

Heavy water retention making you look like a chipmunk/fatty.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-11-2004, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Heavy water retention making you look like a chipmunk/fatty.

LOL...

I hope like hell I don't get the fatty face look. I would think the anti-E would be helping you avoid that Mudge.

**Mudge** · 05-12-2004, 12:49 AM

I'm using anti-aromatase though, anti-E might work but I couldn't say. The issue with abombs is they bind directly to estro receptors, they do not convert to estrogen, so anti-a does nothing to avoid bloat, it does not aromatise.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-12-2004, 01:21 AM

does this hold true for D-Bol too Mudge?

**Mudge** · 05-12-2004, 08:03 AM

So far as I know dbol does aromatise. Its never been an important issue to me because I dont bloat much.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-12-2004, 10:41 AM

I guess I won't know my reactions til I try it

**Mudge** · 05-12-2004, 10:45 AM

Yeah, one of the guys at the gym bloats up on test so he is using only 250mg a week. When he ran 5 dbol a day (25mg) he said he looked like a fat kid, his story was cracking me up he litterally just sucks in water like nobodies business. He loves deca + winny.

Elipika · 05-12-2004, 11:41 AM

Anyone know about Mastergen(s/p)?

Just a guy · 05-12-2004, 12:52 PM

masteron?

**Mudge** · 05-12-2004, 02:29 PM

What about it? Masteron is for low BF% people, I dont mess with anything that wont give me good size, and masteron is not a size drug.

Fit Freak · 05-12-2004, 02:34 PM

Yeah...save the Masteron for pre-comp...and it's very expensive. Mudge...for me D-Bols kick ass...so sides and I get quite HARD and Vascular...not to mention nice strength gains.

I think for ther most part water retention/bloating is all diet related...when your diet is clean...from my experience...you can pretty much take anything and continue to look good.

**Mudge** · 05-12-2004, 02:45 PM

My sodium is 100% USRDA or less, its pretty low overall. I pull in a few water pounds near the start but not much to speak of overall.

Elipika · 05-12-2004, 02:46 PM

masteron, that is it. I heard it helps drop BF?

**Mudge** · 05-12-2004, 03:57 PM

No it doesn't drop bodyfat, its not a dieting drug its a steroid. It is used by people who are ALREADY LOW BODYFAT to "look hard."

Elipika · 05-13-2004, 07:15 AM

ah, thanks. Well that is not me, low BF%. I am around 12-14% BF. I would like to increase Muscle and drop BF, but who doesn't.
I have been dieting forever and the BF is not really coming off, so I have upped my cardio. I can get most anything, so should I do a cut stack first? I was planning on bulking up, trying to keep BF gains low, then cut after. Should I do it the opposite?

**Mudge** · 05-13-2004, 08:17 AM

Depends what you want to do, I'd be happy with 12% and just bulk. I dont want to spend my life being tiny crying that I dont look like Brad Pitt, so hardcore cutters are not for me.

ZorroAzul · 05-13-2004, 10:01 AM

Well Mudge, that's the look that the vast majority of women prefer not the ape-like body of a hardcore bodybuilder. When have you seen a famous heartbreaker that had huge muscles?

Before you come back saying "we do this for ourselves, not for the other sex..." I understand, but do you really want to look less appealing? Personally I would definitely prefer not to.

As for myself, no more than 8% BF tops and hopefully soon I will be up another 15 lbs LBM up to 200. On my 6'0-6'1 frame, anything more than that will be too much for me.

**Mudge** · 05-13-2004, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZorroAzul
Well Mudge, that's the look that the vast majority of women prefer not the ape-like body of a hardcore bodybuilder.

Yeah, I'm sure Ronnie Coleman looks like that to "git da bitches." Come on brother, I have a brain, and I figured that out long long ago.

Quote:

Before you come back saying "we do this for ourselves, not for the other sex..." I understand, but do you really want to look less appealing? Personally I would definitely prefer not to.

I am still attractive, I am not going to be 400 pounds of muscle. If you think that you are honestly going to get so huge that no woman would want you, then you are going way past what I'm looking for. The reality is, there are woman who like a big guy, I am not looking to probably ever be over 300 pounds.

I mentioned what I am doing for myself, and I also mentioned that it is up to YOU what your goals are.

Elipika · 05-13-2004, 11:33 AM

I personally would like to be below 10% BF, but at the same time be around 225lbs- 230lbs of LBM.
Ht- 5’11
Wt-218lbs
So, I am guessing roughly that I will need to drop 15- 20 lbs of BF and put on 20 to 30lbs of LBM.
Another question for you guys.
Clen- take it only during a cut stack, by itself, or any stack?

05-07-2004, 12:37 PM	#1
Elipika Student of the game Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 43	advice on a stack Need some input/advice. I got a chance to get some d-bol or anadrol. I can stack it with deca, primobolin, parabolin, or test suspension (sp). What would be the best combo? I am 5’11 and weigh 218lbs. This will be the first time in two years I had done anything. I basically want something simple, 1 pill form, 1 injectable form. My main fear is gaining 20lbs, coming off and losing the majority of my gains. What should I do?

05-07-2004, 03:12 PM	#3
Fit Freak Fit Freak Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,797 Photos: 6	I would say DBol and Test...but 12 weeks of suspension is gonna be a lot of pinning. Don't you have access to Sust or Enanthate?? I agree with the above comments...to get ay real results from Primo it'll put you in the poor-house...and Parabolin no longer exists so I assume you are referring to Tren....which in that casey you need tren and a test. Tren is ED or EOD...so that and Suspension would be a hella of a lot of injections. If you cannot get a "longer" acting test ester I would wait it out and run DBol, Test, AND Tren....just run the dbol for the first 4 weeks of so. I would avoid Anadrol period...too harsh unless you have A LOT of experience. As for Deca...waste IMO.
	Searching for the right balance...

05-07-2004, 05:39 PM	#5
Fit Freak Fit Freak Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,797 Photos: 6	Mudge...200mg of Anadrol ED...something must be wrong with you're "stuff" cause my source...well...100mg ED would put you on your ass...lol
	Searching for the right balance...

05-07-2004, 06:04 PM	#6
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	i dought mudge has a bad source... I feel ya on that tho... D-bol doesnt do anything for me but never tried drol.
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

05-12-2004, 12:52 PM	#20
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	masteron?
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

05-07-2004, 12:43 PM	#2
BCC Newcomer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 184	If you don't mind every day injections I would use the suspension with dbol. Primo is junk these days, even if you do find the real thing it's expensive. I'm just flat out not a fan of deca and I wouldn't use parabolin (tren) without using test. If your biggest fear is losing your gains then you need to invest time (and money) into your post cycle therapy. Perhaps look into HCG if you've had problems in the past maintaining gains from cycles. Or stick with clomid/nolva type therapy.

05-07-2004, 05:29 PM	#4
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	I swear I must be immune to drol because it doesn't do anything to me side wise. I made some powdered winny and drol, the winny is working really well for a friend, I am running the drol @ 100mg twice a day. Its only been 3 days so I have nothing to report, but 100mg I have tried twice before with no significant results other than good strength. This will be my last time running it, if it doesn't kick ass, its dbol from now on for orals.

05-11-2004, 12:46 PM	#7
Elipika Student of the game Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 43	ED & EOD? Define?

05-11-2004, 02:44 PM	#10
Elipika Student of the game Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 43	cool, thanks for the info.

05-11-2004, 08:42 PM	#12
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Heavy water retention making you look like a chipmunk/fatty.

05-12-2004, 12:49 AM	#14
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	I'm using anti-aromatase though, anti-E might work but I couldn't say. The issue with abombs is they bind directly to estro receptors, they do not convert to estrogen, so anti-a does nothing to avoid bloat, it does not aromatise.

05-12-2004, 01:21 AM	#15
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,967 Photos: 1	does this hold true for D-Bol too Mudge?

05-12-2004, 08:03 AM	#16
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	So far as I know dbol does aromatise. Its never been an important issue to me because I dont bloat much.

05-12-2004, 10:41 AM	#17
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,967 Photos: 1	I guess I won't know my reactions til I try it

05-12-2004, 10:45 AM	#18
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Yeah, one of the guys at the gym bloats up on test so he is using only 250mg a week. When he ran 5 dbol a day (25mg) he said he looked like a fat kid, his story was cracking me up he litterally just sucks in water like nobodies business. He loves deca + winny.

05-12-2004, 11:41 AM	#19
Elipika Student of the game Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 43	Anyone know about Mastergen(s/p)?

05-12-2004, 02:29 PM	#21
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	What about it? Masteron is for low BF% people, I dont mess with anything that wont give me good size, and masteron is not a size drug.

05-12-2004, 02:34 PM	#22
Fit Freak Fit Freak Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,797 Photos: 6	Yeah...save the Masteron for pre-comp...and it's very expensive. Mudge...for me D-Bols kick ass...so sides and I get quite HARD and Vascular...not to mention nice strength gains. I think for ther most part water retention/bloating is all diet related...when your diet is clean...from my experience...you can pretty much take anything and continue to look good.
	Searching for the right balance...

05-12-2004, 02:45 PM	#23
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	My sodium is 100% USRDA or less, its pretty low overall. I pull in a few water pounds near the start but not much to speak of overall.

05-12-2004, 02:46 PM	#24
Elipika Student of the game Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 43	masteron, that is it. I heard it helps drop BF?

05-12-2004, 03:57 PM	#25
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	No it doesn't drop bodyfat, its not a dieting drug its a steroid. It is used by people who are ALREADY LOW BODYFAT to "look hard."

05-13-2004, 07:15 AM	#26
Elipika Student of the game Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 43	ah, thanks. Well that is not me, low BF%. I am around 12-14% BF. I would like to increase Muscle and drop BF, but who doesn't. I have been dieting forever and the BF is not really coming off, so I have upped my cardio. I can get most anything, so should I do a cut stack first? I was planning on bulking up, trying to keep BF gains low, then cut after. Should I do it the opposite?

05-13-2004, 08:17 AM	#27
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Depends what you want to do, I'd be happy with 12% and just bulk. I dont want to spend my life being tiny crying that I dont look like Brad Pitt, so hardcore cutters are not for me.

05-13-2004, 10:01 AM	#28
ZorroAzul keep religion to yourself Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 302	Well Mudge, that's the look that the vast majority of women prefer not the ape-like body of a hardcore bodybuilder. When have you seen a famous heartbreaker that had huge muscles? Before you come back saying "we do this for ourselves, not for the other sex..." I understand, but do you really want to look less appealing? Personally I would definitely prefer not to. As for myself, no more than 8% BF tops and hopefully soon I will be up another 15 lbs LBM up to 200. On my 6'0-6'1 frame, anything more than that will be too much for me.

05-13-2004, 11:33 AM	#30
Elipika Student of the game Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 43	I personally would like to be below 10% BF, but at the same time be around 225lbs- 230lbs of LBM. Ht- 5’11 Wt-218lbs So, I am guessing roughly that I will need to drop 15- 20 lbs of BF and put on 20 to 30lbs of LBM. Another question for you guys. Clen- take it only during a cut stack, by itself, or any stack?