Whats more toxic?

TrojanMan60563 · 05-10-2004, 12:08 PM

If Winny tabs, and liquid are both 17aa and liver toxic then is there one that is worse then the other? If I take 50mg of Winny ED in a tab say split into 25mg twice a day, or inject 50 mg ED whats the difference to my liver if any?

BCC · 05-10-2004, 12:59 PM

There's no difference. It's 17aa and going through your liver one way or another.

As a sidenote, I believe hepatoxicity is a bit overdone. Some of it is individualized. I ran 3 orals for 8 weeks (winstrol, anadrol, dbol) and reported normal liver enzymes.

I have a couple friends which have run dbol for years (nonstop) and have normal liver function.

I think everyone should have regular bloodwork done in this game if they want to get things done right and really monitor their body.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-10-2004, 01:52 PM

I am for going to get everything check out before and after. I just wanted some opinions on if the tabs was any worse for you

biggmike777 · 05-10-2004, 07:03 PM

I do not think the tabs are any worse, and I would choose them over ED injects anyday.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-10-2004, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by biggmike777
I do not think the tabs are any worse, and I would choose them over ED injects anyday.

Thats what I was thinking myself. Besides I don't have access to winstrol injectable so tabs is the only route I can take at this time. Do you think 50mg split into 25mg twice a day is not going overboard? From what I have read this is the way to do it

biggmike777 · 05-10-2004, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TrojanMan60563
Thats what I was thinking myself. Besides I don't have access to winstrol injectable so tabs is the only route I can take at this time. Do you think 50mg split into 25mg twice a day is not going overboard? From what I have read this is the way to do it

Sounds good dosing wise.

**Mudge** · 05-10-2004, 10:00 PM

Anywhere from 50-100mg split into two doses is typical, some people can't hang with 100mg some can go even higher. Ben Johnson supposedly was on 150mg ED and still squating mid 600s for reps, but who knows what is true or not about that.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-10-2004, 10:06 PM

Well I don't want to super dose anything I am taking especially being my first time out. I want to make sure the doses I pick are going to give results, but not over doing it.

Just a guy · 05-11-2004, 08:10 AM

ED injections are great... i luv em... i wish i had some Injectable winny. I would much rather do the injections than drink this crap that i made with everclear.... Bah

**Mudge** · 05-11-2004, 08:26 AM

Dude stick it in some damn water or something, and Everclear seems to be better than 151, thats discusting me for some reason. I still drink it just fine in a few oz of any old drink.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-11-2004, 10:26 AM

I'm getting heart burn just thinking about you two drinking your cocktails...

**Mudge** · 05-11-2004, 10:56 AM

My stuff wont stay suspended, not the winny or drol. It mixes well but I will be adding some PEG400 to my next batch, someone else didn't have any luck even with their winny/everclear mix and I only have paultry 151 as I can't get everclear here.

Even 2cc of the 151 tastes pretty nasty though, I dont remember it tasting that bad but its not delicious.

BCC · 05-11-2004, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
My stuff wont stay suspended, not the winny or drol. It mixes well but I will be adding some PEG400 to my next batch, someone else didn't have any luck even with their winny/everclear mix and I only have paultry 151 as I can't get everclear here.

Even 2cc of the 151 tastes pretty nasty though, I dont remember it tasting that bad but its not delicious.

I could never get winny or drol to suspend in everclear. The next time I tried, I used a combination of propylene glycol and bacardi 151. This worked very well as it was much more stable than before.

**Mudge** · 05-11-2004, 01:38 PM

Yep I checked on converionboard to see if people were getting 100mg/ml successfully

and it wont even do 50mg/ml by itself, everclear or not.

I was thinking about trying Vodka and PEG400 next time, I have 5g more drol to mix though since I only mixed half, I will add PEG400 to this next batch and see how it goes. The 151 tastes nasty though.

Once you shake the stuff it mixes up fairly well, if you draw quickly, so for now 151 alone is good enough but I'd rather have true suspension.

05-10-2004, 12:08 PM	#1
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,927 Photos: 1	Whats more toxic? If Winny tabs, and liquid are both 17aa and liver toxic then is there one that is worse then the other? If I take 50mg of Winny ED in a tab say split into 25mg twice a day, or inject 50 mg ED whats the difference to my liver if any?

05-10-2004, 10:00 PM	#7
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Anywhere from 50-100mg split into two doses is typical, some people can't hang with 100mg some can go even higher. Ben Johnson supposedly was on 150mg ED and still squating mid 600s for reps, but who knows what is true or not about that.
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05-11-2004, 08:10 AM	#9
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	ED injections are great... i luv em... i wish i had some Injectable winny. I would much rather do the injections than drink this crap that i made with everclear.... Bah
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05-11-2004, 08:26 AM	#10
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Dude stick it in some damn water or something, and Everclear seems to be better than 151, thats discusting me for some reason. I still drink it just fine in a few oz of any old drink.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

05-11-2004, 01:38 PM	#14
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Yep I checked on converionboard to see if people were getting 100mg/ml successfully and it wont even do 50mg/ml by itself, everclear or not. I was thinking about trying Vodka and PEG400 next time, I have 5g more drol to mix though since I only mixed half, I will add PEG400 to this next batch and see how it goes. The 151 tastes nasty though. Once you shake the stuff it mixes up fairly well, if you draw quickly, so for now 151 alone is good enough but I'd rather have true suspension.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

05-10-2004, 12:59 PM	#2
BCC Newcomer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 184	There's no difference. It's 17aa and going through your liver one way or another. As a sidenote, I believe hepatoxicity is a bit overdone. Some of it is individualized. I ran 3 orals for 8 weeks (winstrol, anadrol, dbol) and reported normal liver enzymes. I have a couple friends which have run dbol for years (nonstop) and have normal liver function. I think everyone should have regular bloodwork done in this game if they want to get things done right and really monitor their body.

05-10-2004, 01:52 PM	#3
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,927 Photos: 1	I am for going to get everything check out before and after. I just wanted some opinions on if the tabs was any worse for you

05-10-2004, 07:03 PM	#4
biggmike777 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 52 Photos: 5	I do not think the tabs are any worse, and I would choose them over ED injects anyday.

05-10-2004, 10:06 PM	#8
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,927 Photos: 1	Well I don't want to super dose anything I am taking especially being my first time out. I want to make sure the doses I pick are going to give results, but not over doing it.

05-11-2004, 10:26 AM	#11
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,927 Photos: 1	I'm getting heart burn just thinking about you two drinking your cocktails...

05-11-2004, 10:56 AM	#12
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	My stuff wont stay suspended, not the winny or drol. It mixes well but I will be adding some PEG400 to my next batch, someone else didn't have any luck even with their winny/everclear mix and I only have paultry 151 as I can't get everclear here. Even 2cc of the 151 tastes pretty nasty though, I dont remember it tasting that bad but its not delicious.

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