my cycle...feedback

tk... · 05-13-2004, 01:59 PM

week 1 - 10: enathate 200 mg, deca 100 mg
week 7- 12: winnie 50 mg ed

PCT: the week of my last injection shot, 3000 iu HCG, then 5 days later 3000iu of HCG, then another 5 days 2500 iu, then 5 days later 1500 iu og HCG.Then the next day 300 mg Clomid and 40 mg Nolvadex (for 0ne day only). Then the next 10 days 100 mg Clomid and 20 mg nolva. The next 10 days 50 mg clomid and 10 mg nolva. Then for 5-7 days run just 10 mg of nolva...

my dosages are failry low, since it my first roid cycle, i wanna see how my body reacts to it, then i might adjust accordingly.

i guess my only question would be when to start my PCt, during the alst week of the deca shot, or my winnie..am not sure??

am leaning more towards the last week of the deca, atleast with this PCT program, let me know guys.

so what do u guys think about my cycle and my PCT plan??

LAM · 05-13-2004, 02:14 PM

how old are you and how much LBM do you have ?

tk... · 05-13-2004, 03:45 PM

21, 5 years of training under my belt with several ph stacks.
5.9 185 pounds with 8.5% bf.

am a strong beleiver in dieting and training, i am almost certain i can get excellent gains from such a low dosage cycle.

my diet is as follows:

Diet: 6-8 Meals per day
3500-4500 cals
Protein: 350 - 400 grams per day
Fat: 60-100 grams per day
Carbs: 400 - 500 per day

LAM · 05-13-2004, 04:10 PM

very smart of you to go low dose your 1st cycle, a lot of people go way to high way to soon...

at your age your body is producing more test than u would be injecting. IMO would at least go 250-300 mg of test and 200 mg of deca...

ZorroAzul · 05-14-2004, 10:02 AM

I am no expert, but I seriously doubt that 100mg/week of deca will even be enough to prevent the joint pain that you are going to experience by running winny 50mg/ed for 6 weeks!

Bump up the deca to at least 300mg, as well as the Test. and you may want to add some Dbol for the first 3-4 weeks or you will have to be patient and wait for the effects to kick in. 17aa's are not for me (Dbol) but I do see the benefits in using Dbol.

**Mudge** · 05-14-2004, 10:32 AM

Not everyone has trouble with winny below 100mg per day, its 100mg or above that most people have issues.

100mg+ deca worked for me when accutane was tearing me up, if it weren't for that I wouldn't use it at all, I dont find deca to do anything for me really but I also only ran it higher dosed for 6 weeks which is not a lot of time for a long ester.

A lot of people are raving about short ester NPP and EQ, haven't tried them myself.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-14-2004, 10:36 AM

is 10 weeks of 300mg per week of deca a reasonable dose? Should deca be taken out of a stack before test? Or can it be stopped at the same time? Would stopping the deca before ending the test help with getting your boys working again?

Just a guy · 05-14-2004, 11:52 AM

winny isint my favorite neither... Get some Tren!

tk... · 05-14-2004, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Just a guy
winny isint my favorite neither... Get some Tren!

whats the difference between the two?

Just a guy · 05-14-2004, 12:34 PM

well... Winny Gives you joint pain.. It sucks all of the water out of you so its only really good for Pre-competition.. And the gains are not keepable usually. Now Tren is the shit... Great pumps.. Gains are frickin wonderful... Sleep is an issue though.

tk... · 05-14-2004, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZorroAzul
Dbol.

am not a fan of Dbol.

**Mudge** · 05-14-2004, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TrojanMan60563
is 10 weeks of 300mg per week of deca a reasonable dose? Should deca be taken out of a stack before test? Or can it be stopped at the same time? Would stopping the deca before ending the test help with getting your boys working again?

I know someone who uses 300 a week as their base, he is in pretty good shape, not looking to get larger.

You can pull deca 2 weeks out if you want, its preference. Some people get "deca dick" some dont. It doesn't have much to do with getting your balls back, but deca illicits effects on the body longer than test generally, so keeping test in the body during your own "shut down" while the deca is still tapering off is the reason behind it.

tk... · 05-14-2004, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Just a guy
well... Winny Gives you joint pain.. It sucks all of the water out of you so its only really good for Pre-competition.. And the gains are not keepable usually. Now Tren is the shit... Great pumps.. Gains are frickin wonderful... Sleep is an issue though.

this is a very interesting point. I suffer, as of the last two weeks, from joint paint (both elbows), preventing me to fall asleep. I found that glucosamine and multivitamin tabs work wonders, and have lifted the pain.

But if these two factors dont lower the pain, i can always reduce tabs per day...

tk... · 05-14-2004, 12:53 PM

Mudge, what do u think about my PCT? i find it may be a little overkill for my dosages. But my reasoning was better safe then sorry.

LAM · 05-14-2004, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TrojanMan60563
is 10 weeks of 300mg per week of deca a reasonable dose? Should deca be taken out of a stack before test? Or can it be stopped at the same time? Would stopping the deca before ending the test help with getting your boys working again?

if you are using enan and deca (both long acting esters) stop them at the same time. but if you are using deca and prop you would have to stop the longer acting ester (deca) 7-10 days before the prop...

**dg806** · 05-14-2004, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Just a guy
well... Winny Gives you joint pain.. It sucks all of the water out of you so its only really good for Pre-competition.. And the gains are not keepable usually. Now Tren is the shit... Great pumps.. Gains are frickin wonderful... Sleep is an issue though.

You probably need to bump the dosage down just a bit.
How much are you currently doing? Mudge had the same problem.

Just a guy · 05-14-2004, 01:49 PM

75mg's ED

**dg806** · 05-14-2004, 01:54 PM

yeah that is probably it. I bet you would do fine with 75mg eod.

**Mudge** · 05-14-2004, 03:21 PM

TK, your HCG shots are too heavy on the dose, that would be my opinion (after hearing it explained by the HRT docs).

TrojanMan60563 · 05-14-2004, 08:47 PM

I am only planning on doing 500iu E5D for my PCT.

tk... · 05-17-2004, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
TK, your HCG shots are too heavy on the dose, that would be my opinion (after hearing it explained by the HRT docs).

I was thinking the same thing. How much then would be appropriate

Rauschgift · 05-17-2004, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tk...
am not a fan of Dbol.

I thought this was your first cycle...IMO that cycle is a complete waist of $... The dosages are too low... You have the right idea about starting low but that's too low.. If you want to see how your body reacts then don't stack.. Run the test for 12 weeks at 500mg/wk period. If you are insitant on stacking for a first cycle then how about Weeks 1-5 dbol 35mg/day 1-12 test en 500mg/wk 1-12 deca 400mg/wk....For PCT 1 week after last shot run the HCG 3000iu/wk then one week later start with the Clomid and Nolva...

**Mudge** · 05-17-2004, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tk...
I was thinking the same thing. How much then would be appropriate

500iu ED as needed or 250iu if its all you need, the idea is frequency is no issue but high doses can desensatise response to LH.

05-13-2004, 01:59 PM	#1
tk... Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 118	my cycle...feedback week 1 - 10: enathate 200 mg, deca 100 mg week 7- 12: winnie 50 mg ed PCT: the week of my last injection shot, 3000 iu HCG, then 5 days later 3000iu of HCG, then another 5 days 2500 iu, then 5 days later 1500 iu og HCG.Then the next day 300 mg Clomid and 40 mg Nolvadex (for 0ne day only). Then the next 10 days 100 mg Clomid and 20 mg nolva. The next 10 days 50 mg clomid and 10 mg nolva. Then for 5-7 days run just 10 mg of nolva... my dosages are failry low, since it my first roid cycle, i wanna see how my body reacts to it, then i might adjust accordingly. i guess my only question would be when to start my PCt, during the alst week of the deca shot, or my winnie..am not sure?? am leaning more towards the last week of the deca, atleast with this PCT program, let me know guys. so what do u guys think about my cycle and my PCT plan??
tk... Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 118

05-13-2004, 02:14 PM	#2
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	how old are you and how much LBM do you have ?
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

05-13-2004, 03:45 PM	#3
tk... Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 118	21, 5 years of training under my belt with several ph stacks. 5.9 185 pounds with 8.5% bf. am a strong beleiver in dieting and training, i am almost certain i can get excellent gains from such a low dosage cycle. my diet is as follows: Diet: 6-8 Meals per day 3500-4500 cals Protein: 350 - 400 grams per day Fat: 60-100 grams per day Carbs: 400 - 500 per day
tk... Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 118

05-13-2004, 04:10 PM	#4
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	very smart of you to go low dose your 1st cycle, a lot of people go way to high way to soon... at your age your body is producing more test than u would be injecting. IMO would at least go 250-300 mg of test and 200 mg of deca...
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

05-14-2004, 10:32 AM	#6
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Not everyone has trouble with winny below 100mg per day, its 100mg or above that most people have issues. 100mg+ deca worked for me when accutane was tearing me up, if it weren't for that I wouldn't use it at all, I dont find deca to do anything for me really but I also only ran it higher dosed for 6 weeks which is not a lot of time for a long ester. A lot of people are raving about short ester NPP and EQ, haven't tried them myself.
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05-14-2004, 10:02 AM	#5
ZorroAzul keep religion to yourself Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 302	I am no expert, but I seriously doubt that 100mg/week of deca will even be enough to prevent the joint pain that you are going to experience by running winny 50mg/ed for 6 weeks! Bump up the deca to at least 300mg, as well as the Test. and you may want to add some Dbol for the first 3-4 weeks or you will have to be patient and wait for the effects to kick in. 17aa's are not for me (Dbol) but I do see the benefits in using Dbol.

05-14-2004, 10:36 AM	#7
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,927 Photos: 1	is 10 weeks of 300mg per week of deca a reasonable dose? Should deca be taken out of a stack before test? Or can it be stopped at the same time? Would stopping the deca before ending the test help with getting your boys working again?

05-14-2004, 11:52 AM	#8
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	winny isint my favorite neither... Get some Tren!
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

05-14-2004, 12:34 PM	#10
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	well... Winny Gives you joint pain.. It sucks all of the water out of you so its only really good for Pre-competition.. And the gains are not keepable usually. Now Tren is the shit... Great pumps.. Gains are frickin wonderful... Sleep is an issue though.
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

05-14-2004, 12:53 PM	#14
tk... Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 118	Mudge, what do u think about my PCT? i find it may be a little overkill for my dosages. But my reasoning was better safe then sorry.
tk... Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 118

05-14-2004, 01:49 PM	#17
Just a guy Senior Gear head Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,320 Photos: 1	75mg's ED
	CUTTING! Was 260lbs. Now 02/09/05 236lbs Height:5'8 Age: 20 Bench:395 Leg press:975

05-14-2004, 01:54 PM	#18
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,160	yeah that is probably it. I bet you would do fine with 75mg eod.
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05-14-2004, 03:21 PM	#19
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	TK, your HCG shots are too heavy on the dose, that would be my opinion (after hearing it explained by the HRT docs).
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

05-14-2004, 08:47 PM	#20
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,927 Photos: 1	I am only planning on doing 500iu E5D for my PCT.

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