What brand T3?

TrojanMan60563 · 05-25-2004, 12:26 AM

Has anyone used the Esfar Labs Cytomel, or the Berlin Chemical Cytomel? I'm trying to find out whats the better product and some feedback on either. Thanks guys

Pitboss · 05-25-2004, 12:48 AM

Never used it, never will. Had two bottles that I just threw out too. Don't fuk with this stuff. The side effects are fuk up!! Could be on thyroid pills for life. Stick to clen if anything.

**Dale Mabry** · 05-25-2004, 08:28 AM

People who had been mistakenly diagnosed with hypothyroid and Rx'd T3 were taken off T3 after YEARS of use and returned to normal endogenous T3 levels in weeks. The crash from thyroid meds is exagerrated.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-25-2004, 09:10 AM

When I take it I am going to taper up and down. I wasn't planning on going higher then 50-75mcg per day. I am not going to take it for a while, but I want to start stocking up on stuff. I just want some opinions on different brands and what the experiences are on them.

**Mudge** · 05-25-2004, 09:22 AM

There are several ways to have ESS. Either way it appears that thyroid supplementation causing a dead thyroid is bullcrap. It takes 5-8 weeks at the outset to bounce back even after years of being on.

Pitboss · 05-25-2004, 11:07 AM

Well for me I'd rather not take the chance. Besides my bottles expired.. LOL

TrojanMan60563 · 05-25-2004, 04:37 PM

Is the Berlin Chemical Cytomel better then the Esfar Labs? Has anyone used either of them or have a comment on these two products?

**Dale Mabry** · 05-25-2004, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
There are several ways to have ESS.

Enlarged Scrotum Syndrome?

**Mudge** · 05-25-2004, 10:02 PM

Euthyroid Sick Syndrome.

**Dale Mabry** · 05-26-2004, 11:24 AM

I like my syndrome better.

Torjan, I almost forgot...I am using the esfar labs T3, working pretty well if you ask me, but I have notihig to base it on. I have dropped quite a bit of fat in 3 weeks, prolly about twice as much as I would have had I just gone with an EC stack.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-26-2004, 11:34 AM

Thanks for the post Dale. What what does your taper/dose look like?

**Dale Mabry** · 05-26-2004, 11:36 AM

Only went to 75 mcg, will taper 4 days each at 50, 37.5, 25, 12.5

mousie · 05-26-2004, 08:02 PM

Babe, just say, "No" to T3.

**Mudge** · 05-26-2004, 09:02 PM

Nothing wrong with using T3. If you gave him a reason that would probably help your cause.

**Dale Mabry** · 05-26-2004, 09:36 PM

Not to intrude, but I would imagine her withholding sex from him would be reason enough.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-26-2004, 09:56 PM

Mudge she is saying I shouldn't use T3 because my Mom's thyroid is bad. I explained to her that her thyroid has probably been going bad for years due to female problems. My moms hormones have been wacked since I was a kid. She had a lot of complications with giving birth to my and my sister. I feel that her thyroid going bad had a lot to do with her female troubles over many years. Hell when I was a kid my mom used to have to shave under her chin cause he had man hair on her chin cause her hormones were all messed up. I don't feel I am at a greater risk for thyroid issues. How about some feedback on this. Oh and mousie my girlfriend also didn't want me to do steroids cause she is afraid I am going to lose my mind and beat her...duh

**Dale Mabry** · 05-26-2004, 10:08 PM

If she minds her Ps and Qs there won't be any problem.

Jus playin.

Power Rabbit · 05-26-2004, 10:11 PM

Hmm i dont know much about thyroid problems, but i bet hardasnails does. Hes been haveing some very bad times these days with it. Makes ya step back and wonder if your ready to screw up your body

**Dale Mabry** · 05-26-2004, 10:28 PM

I think Hardasnails issue was more or less caused by his GH use.

mousie · 05-26-2004, 10:47 PM

I'm just concerned...that's all. After a lot of the negative stuff I've heard about T3 and due to his mom's thyroid history, I just don't want TrojanMan to end up having problems.

**Mudge** · 05-27-2004, 12:16 AM

Of men and women, more women are on thyroid medication. Typically its poor T4 to T3 conversion.

You wont shut your thyroid down by using T3.

**Mudge** · 05-27-2004, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TrojanMan60563
Oh and mousie my girlfriend also didn't want me to do steroids cause she is afraid I am going to lose my mind and beat her...duh

Yeah I remember that, which is thankfully nothing but bullcrap.

mousie · 05-27-2004, 01:55 AM

Okay, well I know of couple who had been dating for 5.5 years. They recently broke up because all of the steroids that he has been taking have all gone to his head and he started really treating her like shit. TrojanMan and I have seen this guy's behavior in person, and it's disgusting.

I don't want TrojanMan to end up getting addicted to steroids and end up ruining what we have built up together so far in our relationship of 3.5 years. Him and I still need to continue on with our conversation about what is expected of each other while he is on roids. I know that being on roids and having such a strict diet/lifestyle will make him moody, but I just don't want to end up being unhappy.

**Mudge** · 05-27-2004, 07:14 AM

Diet makes a lot of people moody, its not steroids.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-27-2004, 07:52 AM

I appreciate that mousie worries about my health, but she worries about more then that. She doesn't like the idea of me getting leaner. She feels that I am going to get too much attention from the ladies when I go out. I'm not a bad looking guy now and I've told her if I didn't want to be with her anymore I wouldn't have a problem getting a new girlfriend. I do mention how I want to go out with friends and flaunt my body when I get the six pac abs. I don't think that gives her a reason to be insecure. I explained that I work hard in the gym to have a nice body and I want to show off my hard work. That is nothing wrong with that IMO. Women go get big fake titties then walk around in tight little half shirts showing their tight little tummy and huge breasts. So what wrong with me showing a little skin? I'm proud of what I accomplish

**Dale Mabry** · 05-27-2004, 08:03 AM

So in essence, she is trying to cockblock you?

**dg806** · 05-27-2004, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
So in essence, she is trying to cockblock you?

LMAO

TrojanMan60563 · 05-27-2004, 07:57 PM

You could put it that way Dale. She has no reason to act that way. She would be a much happier person ( and so would I ) if she would try harder to not be so insecure. I know if I was worried about her cheating all the time I would have a nervous break down. Can we say lack of trust?

**Mudge** · 05-27-2004, 11:14 PM

A little jealousy to me is flattering, when its honest jealousy then its a spit in my face.

Power Rabbit · 05-28-2004, 02:02 AM

Believe me. Steady girls are not the way to go. As a girl gets more comfortable around you, they become sooo much less attractive.

Maby its the Sig Ep in me, but i cant stand getting into the same girl every day. day after day.

05-25-2004, 12:26 AM	#1
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,392 Photos: 1	What brand T3? Has anyone used the Esfar Labs Cytomel, or the Berlin Chemical Cytomel? I'm trying to find out whats the better product and some feedback on either. Thanks guys

05-25-2004, 12:48 AM	#2
Pitboss User title goes here Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: In my own world Posts: 3,114 Photos: 6	Never used it, never will. Had two bottles that I just threw out too. Don't fuk with this stuff. The side effects are fuk up!! Could be on thyroid pills for life. Stick to clen if anything. 167 170 175 180 185 190 195 196 197 198 199 200 \|- -\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\| **** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^Progress^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2/22- ?? my gym membership expired!! 2/11- 170lbs 2/4 - 167lbs

05-25-2004, 08:28 AM	#3
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	People who had been mistakenly diagnosed with hypothyroid and Rx'd T3 were taken off T3 after YEARS of use and returned to normal endogenous T3 levels in weeks. The crash from thyroid meds is exagerrated. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

05-25-2004, 09:22 AM	#5
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	There are several ways to have ESS. Either way it appears that thyroid supplementation causing a dead thyroid is bullcrap. It takes 5-8 weeks at the outset to bounce back even after years of being on. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

05-25-2004, 11:07 AM	#6
Pitboss User title goes here Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: In my own world Posts: 3,114 Photos: 6	Well for me I'd rather not take the chance. Besides my bottles expired.. LOL 167 170 175 180 185 190 195 196 197 198 199 200 \|- -\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\| **** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^Progress^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2/22- ?? my gym membership expired!! 2/11- 170lbs 2/4 - 167lbs

05-25-2004, 09:10 AM	#4
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,392 Photos: 1	When I take it I am going to taper up and down. I wasn't planning on going higher then 50-75mcg per day. I am not going to take it for a while, but I want to start stocking up on stuff. I just want some opinions on different brands and what the experiences are on them.

05-25-2004, 04:37 PM	#7
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,392 Photos: 1	Is the Berlin Chemical Cytomel better then the Esfar Labs? Has anyone used either of them or have a comment on these two products?

05-25-2004, 10:02 PM	#9
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Euthyroid Sick Syndrome.

05-26-2004, 11:24 AM	#10
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	I like my syndrome better. Torjan, I almost forgot...I am using the esfar labs T3, working pretty well if you ask me, but I have notihig to base it on. I have dropped quite a bit of fat in 3 weeks, prolly about twice as much as I would have had I just gone with an EC stack. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

05-26-2004, 11:34 AM	#11
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,392 Photos: 1	Thanks for the post Dale. What what does your taper/dose look like?

05-26-2004, 11:36 AM	#12
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	Only went to 75 mcg, will taper 4 days each at 50, 37.5, 25, 12.5 If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

05-26-2004, 08:02 PM	#13
mousie Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 692	Babe, just say, "No" to T3. <8(__)~~~~

05-26-2004, 09:02 PM	#14
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Nothing wrong with using T3. If you gave him a reason that would probably help your cause. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

05-26-2004, 09:36 PM	#15
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	Not to intrude, but I would imagine her withholding sex from him would be reason enough. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

05-26-2004, 09:56 PM	#16
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,392 Photos: 1	Mudge she is saying I shouldn't use T3 because my Mom's thyroid is bad. I explained to her that her thyroid has probably been going bad for years due to female problems. My moms hormones have been wacked since I was a kid. She had a lot of complications with giving birth to my and my sister. I feel that her thyroid going bad had a lot to do with her female troubles over many years. Hell when I was a kid my mom used to have to shave under her chin cause he had man hair on her chin cause her hormones were all messed up. I don't feel I am at a greater risk for thyroid issues. How about some feedback on this. Oh and mousie my girlfriend also didn't want me to do steroids cause she is afraid I am going to lose my mind and beat her...duh

05-26-2004, 10:08 PM	#17
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	If she minds her Ps and Qs there won't be any problem. Jus playin. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

05-26-2004, 10:11 PM	#18
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	Hmm i dont know much about thyroid problems, but i bet hardasnails does. Hes been haveing some very bad times these days with it. Makes ya step back and wonder if your ready to screw up your body

05-26-2004, 10:28 PM	#19
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	I think Hardasnails issue was more or less caused by his GH use. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

05-26-2004, 10:47 PM	#20
mousie Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 692	I'm just concerned...that's all. After a lot of the negative stuff I've heard about T3 and due to his mom's thyroid history, I just don't want TrojanMan to end up having problems. <8(__)~~~~

05-27-2004, 12:16 AM	#21
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Of men and women, more women are on thyroid medication. Typically its poor T4 to T3 conversion. You wont shut your thyroid down by using T3. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

05-27-2004, 01:55 AM	#23
mousie Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 692	Okay, well I know of couple who had been dating for 5.5 years. They recently broke up because all of the steroids that he has been taking have all gone to his head and he started really treating her like shit. TrojanMan and I have seen this guy's behavior in person, and it's disgusting. I don't want TrojanMan to end up getting addicted to steroids and end up ruining what we have built up together so far in our relationship of 3.5 years. Him and I still need to continue on with our conversation about what is expected of each other while he is on roids. I know that being on roids and having such a strict diet/lifestyle will make him moody, but I just don't want to end up being unhappy. <8(__)~~~~

05-27-2004, 07:14 AM	#24
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Diet makes a lot of people moody, its not steroids. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

05-27-2004, 07:52 AM	#25
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,392 Photos: 1	I appreciate that mousie worries about my health, but she worries about more then that. She doesn't like the idea of me getting leaner. She feels that I am going to get too much attention from the ladies when I go out. I'm not a bad looking guy now and I've told her if I didn't want to be with her anymore I wouldn't have a problem getting a new girlfriend. I do mention how I want to go out with friends and flaunt my body when I get the six pac abs. I don't think that gives her a reason to be insecure. I explained that I work hard in the gym to have a nice body and I want to show off my hard work. That is nothing wrong with that IMO. Women go get big fake titties then walk around in tight little half shirts showing their tight little tummy and huge breasts. So what wrong with me showing a little skin? I'm proud of what I accomplish

05-27-2004, 08:03 AM	#26
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	So in essence, she is trying to cockblock you? If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

05-27-2004, 07:57 PM	#28
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 3,392 Photos: 1	You could put it that way Dale. She has no reason to act that way. She would be a much happier person ( and so would I ) if she would try harder to not be so insecure. I know if I was worried about her cheating all the time I would have a nervous break down. Can we say lack of trust?

05-27-2004, 11:14 PM	#29
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	A little jealousy to me is flattering, when its honest jealousy then its a spit in my face. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

05-28-2004, 02:02 AM	#30
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	Believe me. Steady girls are not the way to go. As a girl gets more comfortable around you, they become sooo much less attractive. Maby its the Sig Ep in me, but i cant stand getting into the same girl every day. day after day.

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