Show of hands...

BigAL · 01-17-2002, 10:07 PM

Those who speek of being natural are fortunate to have genetics that favor muscle build-up, for a short while; the majority of the population hasn't relised that.

Building the bod with the needed chemistry is as natural as drinking water when thirsty. Start looking at it positively, rather then following the magazine's natural BS.

hardlife · 01-20-2002, 05:14 PM

well, i still don't kno everything about as, but i have read quite extensively b4 i ever tried them myself. i only have one real cycle under my belt. i don't think all the reading in the world can substitute for first hand knowledge and learning freom the mistakes of others. my "bud" that helped me with my first cycle has about 20 years of experience with gear. i put on 30 lbs with a cycle of t-200, deca, and 4 weeks of d-bol. the great thing is i kept 25 of it with his help. so if i can answer u guys ?'s i will. if i am not sure i can ask my bud and i am sure hede can. but like i said i kno that i dont have all the answers so any of u guys can always feel free to correct me. because bottom line is that no matter what, when using gear u are messing with ur future one way or another.

cornfed · 01-22-2002, 12:37 PM

Well, I'm by no means a vet or expert, but I like to believe that I've learned alot over the past coupla' years, w/ alot of help from friends, including BO. Most of what I've learned has yet to be applied, but all in good time. Hope to learn and contribute from and w/ you guys and ladies.

Peace

Pitboss · 01-22-2002, 01:30 PM

Intersting new forum..... I do have a feeling this forum will be as humorous as some of the other forums I've seen on this board.. no flame here just a note saying how enjoyable, relaxed this place can be.

Familiar a little with AS.. more on the one's I've looked into than others but other than that all I can add to this thread is your butt hurts for days!!! Oh and never use the same needle more than once!!! The damn things are cheap!!

**gopro** · 01-23-2002, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pitboss
Intersting new forum..... I do have a feeling this forum will be as humorous as some of the other forums I've seen on this board.. no flame here just a note saying how enjoyable, relaxed this place can be.

Familiar a little with AS.. more on the one's I've looked into than others but other than that all I can add to this thread is your butt hurts for days!!! Oh and never use the same needle more than once!!! The damn things are cheap!!

Yes we are quite relaxed around here...except for me if I miss a meal...then watch out...

kotam · 01-31-2002, 09:04 AM

Know a little, based on personal experience.

Trained for 3 years, entered first show, got embarrased.
Trained an additional year, tried AS, finished top 5.
Continued training 2 years, enhanced, entered local show, won overall.

I am by no stretch of the imagination an expert, but I do know what works for me and what doesn't, what side effects I had, mood swings, and everything else.

I have also come across fake stuff. Not that I can recognize it on sight.

In addition to the above, also worked on the diet part of it in detail.

Everyone has their opinions and experiences, and mine is just one of many.

Chainsaw · 01-31-2002, 02:03 PM

Never used 'em, and have no desire to, but I find the subject fascinating.

kotam · 01-31-2002, 03:09 PM

Actually, I wish I never had.

for those of you that have not, don't.

Once you use them, then you can never say that you are natural. And basically, regardless of how hard you work, how much dedication you put into your work or diet, your genetics, or anything else you do to be sucessful, there will always be someone out there that will criticize you and say that it is because of the drugs, rather than "in spite of" them.

**gopro** · 01-31-2002, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kotam
Actually, I wish I never had.

for those of you that have not, don't.

Once you use them, then you can never say that you are natural. And basically, regardless of how hard you work, how much dedication you put into your work or diet, your genetics, or anything else you do to be sucessful, there will always be someone out there that will criticize you and say that it is because of the drugs, rather than "in spite of" them.

AMEN...

BigAL · 01-31-2002, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kotam
Actually, I wish I never had.

for those of you that have not, don't.

Once you use them, then you can never say that you are natural. And basically, regardless of how hard you work, how much dedication you put into your work or diet, your genetics, or anything else you do to be sucessful, there will always be someone out there that will criticize you and say that it is because of the drugs, rather than "in spite of" them.

The term doing it natural is arbitrary; it all depends on what referance point one takes. The have-nots will always criticize those who have it.

In BB you are either genetically gifted for bulking out, or your not. If your not then you sup yourself with what works and move along. This brings up an analogy to mind

Just look at women's make-up supplies. How many naturals are there[women]? Hmm, I here a few wishing they were naturals from day one.

What is fascinating about the human body, is that through supplementation one can enhance and develope it to new levels that were never reachable before. Hold your head up Kotam!

irontime · 01-31-2002, 09:55 PM

Use them about once a year for about a couple of months, nothing serious. Most I do is 2cc's a week of sust. So no expert, but I've done my reading and always like learning.

Mifody · 02-01-2002, 02:21 AM

natural shmatural

people will use anything under the sun as long as its legal and claim they're natural but once you use something illegal its unnatural..? BS

i havent used yet but am planning for down the road..
if someone said ooh its just the drugs that your so big.. i'd smash em out. anyway you'll still probably be bigger and thats all that matters

kotam be proud of how u look no matter how u attained it

**gopro** · 02-01-2002, 08:01 AM

If you choose to use drugs to build your physique, that is your right. But no matter what anyone says, drugs provide a DRAMATIC advantage in gaining muscle an losing fat. Those who do it with legal supps must be much more dedicated, vigilant, and disciplined than those that use drugs...and they may still only get half the gains!

Right now I weigh about 250 lbs and can still see my abs. I bench over 400, deadlift over 500, curl 80 lb dumbells, and shoulder press 120s. It pisses me off so much when people attribute this to me using drugs! I am lifetime natural and f'n proud that I am bigger and stronger than all the roid users at my gym. I have worked my ass of to get this far, and don't want credit taken away from me.

If you use drugs, thats cool, but if your natural and are well built...I find that even cooler.

kotam · 02-01-2002, 09:21 AM

I understand what it takes to even get to where you are at. It seems like "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't".

I'm not sure what is worse, having someone attribute your success to drug use only,

----or-----

being natural, working your ass off harder than anybody because that's what it takes, and then being accused of taking drugs.

It sucks to be a bodybuilder. And people wonder why we are so egotistical.

**gopro** · 02-01-2002, 05:15 PM

Well, I wouldn't say it sucks to be a bodybuilder, but it is certainly not without it's difficulties. We just have to remember the rewards as well as the downside. I understand what you're saying though.

Mifody · 02-01-2002, 05:53 PM

just remember

the ONLY reason people will accuse you or make you feel like being a bodybuilder sucks is because they are completely and totally envious of you period.

BigAL · 02-02-2002, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kotam
I understand what it takes to even get to where you are at. It seems like "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't".

I'm not sure what is worse, having someone attribute your success to drug use only,

----or-----

being natural, working your ass off harder than anybody because that's what it takes, and then being accused of taking drugs.

It sucks to be a bodybuilder. And people wonder why we are so egotistical.

Wealthy people have a similar dilema - always being accused of being filthy rich.
What you are noticing is a proliferation of socialist thinking.

kotam · 02-02-2002, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Wealthy people have a similar dilema - always being accused of being filthy rich.

Well, I would choose that dilema any day over this one.

Ya know what they say about money... it can't buy happiness, but it sure makes a good downpayment towards it.

**gopro** · 02-02-2002, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kotam

Well, I would choose that dilema any day over this one.

Ya know what they say about money... it can't buy happiness, but it sure makes a good downpayment towards it.

Plus it helps keep you in creatine, glutamine, and lotsa protein...money ain't a bad thing!

sirflo · 02-14-2002, 07:28 AM

i spent seven straight years building clean muscle...going from a round belly 1851bs at 6 feet to a thick 229lbs...my first competition saw me drop 49lbs in 9 weeks on a no carb diet with no nitrogen in my muscles on competition day...needless to say i did not make the finals...did i mention this was a natural contest?...2 years ago at age 36, i decided to take the plunge...u can bet i learned as much as i could about AS...to tell the truth, the only reason why i took the plunge was because i was tired of losing to bad figured guys who just happen to be more cut and harder than i was...what a bummer...8 weeks of dieting and no trophy to show...My first cycle was 5 weeks of Sus250 only at 250 a week...and i will never do it again...didn't like the crash...3months later i did a 6 week cycle of brovel Deca and Winstrol and loved it--although the winny didn't seem to accomplish what i was hoping--too may shots anyway...in the fall i did a cycle of 200mg a week of brovel Test enanthate while dieting for a contest...i know! water retention, but i was experimenting with my diet...i placed 3rd--my first trophy...within the next year(2000),I only did one short cycle of Equipose/Deca...I just finished a 4 week cycle of the highest Test dose yet(400mg first 3 weeks and 600mg to finish it off..again i know this is odd but i'm still experimenting, after all each of us is different...this cycle was mainly to get back in the mood of lifting heavy...it worked!...i've gone from 212lbs to 223-225lbs as of today..anyway, i've found that short low dose cycles of Test,Deca or EQ periodically, works best for me...GREAT TO BE IN THE HOUSE...sirflo

**gopro** · 02-16-2002, 12:58 PM

Welcome sirflo...thanks for the input

BigB · 03-08-2002, 08:50 PM

I have been using them for about 3 years now.

**gopro** · 03-08-2002, 09:44 PM

welcome to the party Big B!

realdeal · 03-09-2002, 09:47 AM

i am starting to educate myself about AS, but i do natural shows. and i think everyone should learn about it because Education is your key in Life.

tiny · 03-10-2002, 08:32 PM

sup.. another guy in the house .. posted a thread about me beeing here, but i figured i'd up my postcount and throw in another one here ..

tiny

dvlmn666 · 03-19-2002, 11:51 PM

Willing to learn everything I can, and then make the choices later. Never done them, not sure if I ever will. That decision will come later, depends how big I can get without.

**gopro** · 03-20-2002, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dvlmn666
Willing to learn everything I can, and then make the choices later. Never done them, not sure if I ever will. That decision will come later, depends how big I can get without.

Welcome 666...I think

dvlmn666 · 03-20-2002, 06:30 PM

it's all good, i'm here to learn. And hopefully somewere along the line if needed be able to help out or give advice. But I'm a long way from being able to do either on in this section yet.

01-22-2002, 12:37 PM	#33
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Well, I'm by no means a vet or expert, but I like to believe that I've learned alot over the past coupla' years, w/ alot of help from friends, including BO. Most of what I've learned has yet to be applied, but all in good time. Hope to learn and contribute from and w/ you guys and ladies. Peace
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01-31-2002, 02:03 PM	#37
Chainsaw Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 27	Never used 'em, and have no desire to, but I find the subject fascinating.
	You cannot run away from a weakness; you must sometimes fight it out or perish. And if that be so, why not now, and where you stand? --Robert Louis Stevenson

01-31-2002, 09:55 PM	#41
irontime The Original Jackass Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: If not here, then on some porn site. Posts: 5,101 Photos: 1	Use them about once a year for about a couple of months, nothing serious. Most I do is 2cc's a week of sust. So no expert, but I've done my reading and always like learning.
	If god were suddenly condemned to live the life which he has inflicted on man, he would kill himself. - Alexander Dumas (1802 - 1870)

02-01-2002, 08:01 AM	#43
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,499	If you choose to use drugs to build your physique, that is your right. But no matter what anyone says, drugs provide a DRAMATIC advantage in gaining muscle an losing fat. Those who do it with legal supps must be much more dedicated, vigilant, and disciplined than those that use drugs...and they may still only get half the gains! Right now I weigh about 250 lbs and can still see my abs. I bench over 400, deadlift over 500, curl 80 lb dumbells, and shoulder press 120s. It pisses me off so much when people attribute this to me using drugs! I am lifetime natural and f'n proud that I am bigger and stronger than all the roid users at my gym. I have worked my ass of to get this far, and don't want credit taken away from me. If you use drugs, thats cool, but if your natural and are well built...I find that even cooler.
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02-01-2002, 05:15 PM	#45
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,499	Well, I wouldn't say it sucks to be a bodybuilder, but it is certainly not without it's difficulties. We just have to remember the rewards as well as the downside. I understand what you're saying though.
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. VPX Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

01-17-2002, 10:07 PM	#31
BigAL Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ? Posts: 60	Those who speek of being natural are fortunate to have genetics that favor muscle build-up, for a short while; the majority of the population hasn't relised that. Building the bod with the needed chemistry is as natural as drinking water when thirsty. Start looking at it positively, rather then following the magazine's natural BS.

01-20-2002, 05:14 PM	#32
hardlife Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: texas Posts: 9	well, i still don't kno everything about as, but i have read quite extensively b4 i ever tried them myself. i only have one real cycle under my belt. i don't think all the reading in the world can substitute for first hand knowledge and learning freom the mistakes of others. my "bud" that helped me with my first cycle has about 20 years of experience with gear. i put on 30 lbs with a cycle of t-200, deca, and 4 weeks of d-bol. the great thing is i kept 25 of it with his help. so if i can answer u guys ?'s i will. if i am not sure i can ask my bud and i am sure hede can. but like i said i kno that i dont have all the answers so any of u guys can always feel free to correct me. because bottom line is that no matter what, when using gear u are messing with ur future one way or another.

01-22-2002, 01:30 PM	#34
Pitboss User title goes here Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: In my own world Posts: 3,114 Photos: 6	Intersting new forum..... I do have a feeling this forum will be as humorous as some of the other forums I've seen on this board.. no flame here just a note saying how enjoyable, relaxed this place can be. Familiar a little with AS.. more on the one's I've looked into than others but other than that all I can add to this thread is your butt hurts for days!!! Oh and never use the same needle more than once!!! The damn things are cheap!!

01-31-2002, 09:04 AM	#36
kotam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 13	Know a little, based on personal experience. Trained for 3 years, entered first show, got embarrased. Trained an additional year, tried AS, finished top 5. Continued training 2 years, enhanced, entered local show, won overall. I am by no stretch of the imagination an expert, but I do know what works for me and what doesn't, what side effects I had, mood swings, and everything else. I have also come across fake stuff. Not that I can recognize it on sight. In addition to the above, also worked on the diet part of it in detail. Everyone has their opinions and experiences, and mine is just one of many.

01-31-2002, 03:09 PM	#38
kotam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 13	Actually, I wish I never had. for those of you that have not, don't. Once you use them, then you can never say that you are natural. And basically, regardless of how hard you work, how much dedication you put into your work or diet, your genetics, or anything else you do to be sucessful, there will always be someone out there that will criticize you and say that it is because of the drugs, rather than "in spite of" them.

02-01-2002, 02:21 AM	#42
Mifody Member Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: . Posts: 175	natural shmatural people will use anything under the sun as long as its legal and claim they're natural but once you use something illegal its unnatural..? BS i havent used yet but am planning for down the road.. if someone said ooh its just the drugs that your so big.. i'd smash em out. anyway you'll still probably be bigger and thats all that matters kotam be proud of how u look no matter how u attained it

02-01-2002, 09:21 AM	#44
kotam Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 13	I understand what it takes to even get to where you are at. It seems like "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't". I'm not sure what is worse, having someone attribute your success to drug use only, ----or----- being natural, working your ass off harder than anybody because that's what it takes, and then being accused of taking drugs. It sucks to be a bodybuilder. And people wonder why we are so egotistical.

02-01-2002, 05:53 PM	#46
Mifody Member Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: . Posts: 175	just remember the ONLY reason people will accuse you or make you feel like being a bodybuilder sucks is because they are completely and totally envious of you period.

02-14-2002, 07:28 AM	#50
sirflo Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: texas Posts: 2	show of hands i spent seven straight years building clean muscle...going from a round belly 1851bs at 6 feet to a thick 229lbs...my first competition saw me drop 49lbs in 9 weeks on a no carb diet with no nitrogen in my muscles on competition day...needless to say i did not make the finals...did i mention this was a natural contest?...2 years ago at age 36, i decided to take the plunge...u can bet i learned as much as i could about AS...to tell the truth, the only reason why i took the plunge was because i was tired of losing to bad figured guys who just happen to be more cut and harder than i was...what a bummer...8 weeks of dieting and no trophy to show...My first cycle was 5 weeks of Sus250 only at 250 a week...and i will never do it again...didn't like the crash...3months later i did a 6 week cycle of brovel Deca and Winstrol and loved it--although the winny didn't seem to accomplish what i was hoping--too may shots anyway...in the fall i did a cycle of 200mg a week of brovel Test enanthate while dieting for a contest...i know! water retention, but i was experimenting with my diet...i placed 3rd--my first trophy...within the next year(2000),I only did one short cycle of Equipose/Deca...I just finished a 4 week cycle of the highest Test dose yet(400mg first 3 weeks and 600mg to finish it off..again i know this is odd but i'm still experimenting, after all each of us is different...this cycle was mainly to get back in the mood of lifting heavy...it worked!...i've gone from 212lbs to 223-225lbs as of today..anyway, i've found that short low dose cycles of Test,Deca or EQ periodically, works best for me...GREAT TO BE IN THE HOUSE...sirflo
	"what do u want and why do u want it"

02-16-2002, 12:58 PM	#51
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,499	Welcome sirflo...thanks for the input
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03-08-2002, 08:50 PM	#52
BigB Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: USA Posts: 25	I have been using them for about 3 years now.

03-08-2002, 09:44 PM	#53
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,499	welcome to the party Big B!
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03-09-2002, 09:47 AM	#54
realdeal Amateur Bodybuilder Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 367	i am starting to educate myself about AS, but i do natural shows. and i think everyone should learn about it because Education is your key in Life.
	Keep Educating, KNOWLEDGE is the POWER

03-10-2002, 08:32 PM	#55
tiny Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 13	sup.. another guy in the house .. posted a thread about me beeing here, but i figured i'd up my postcount and throw in another one here .. tiny
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03-19-2002, 11:51 PM	#56
dvlmn666 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 3,233	Willing to learn everything I can, and then make the choices later. Never done them, not sure if I ever will. That decision will come later, depends how big I can get without.
	"When I use the word intensity I mean the ability to continue past and through the pain barrier where your mind pleads to stop and in fact convinces your body that you have hit failure, but you push through. How far you push through that barrier is the level of intensity with which you train." -- Twin Peak

03-20-2002, 06:30 PM	#58
dvlmn666 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 3,233	it's all good, i'm here to learn. And hopefully somewere along the line if needed be able to help out or give advice. But I'm a long way from being able to do either on in this section yet.
	"When I use the word intensity I mean the ability to continue past and through the pain barrier where your mind pleads to stop and in fact convinces your body that you have hit failure, but you push through. How far you push through that barrier is the level of intensity with which you train." -- Twin Peak