Randy

Trojan,

I would follow Gr's advice. Don't worry about prematurely stopping your cycle. It's all about your health. If you have 2nd thoughts, then that is good enough reason to stop. You can always go back and complete a cycle at any time. See the doc and like GR said, be honest with him. Make sure your body is ready for the juice. If there is any issues, forget the juice all together... I did M1T to try it, but I decided at this point that is enough for me. I myself am staying natural. But that is me. You have to make the right choice for yourself.

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gr81

besides T, the only drug you are running has a half life of 2 days so its not like it would be detremental to your hormone level for weeks and months, ya dig? I doubt the high bp is form the test but the best thing to do is get that potentially harmful problem checked out..

TrojanMan60563

Well this morning I am feeling ok. I think I get myself worked up about the injections and the thought that I am on gear brings out my anxiety. I have a doctors appointment on this friday to have blood test done to check everything out. I am also going to have my thyroid checked out since my Mom is on thyroid pills cause hers is dead. I doubt that I have a problem with mine but I just wanna have it checked out since it runs in the family. I am going to try and stick it out until friday if I can. Hopefully I can get something for the anxiety. My BP was back to 143/86 so I feel better about that. I don't know if my BP machine was f*cking with me or what but last night when I started to freak out it had dropped to 91/59 with a pulse of 100. I got low readings like that a few times so I think thats why I was freaking out cause I thought my heart was not pumping or something. I am going to get some fresh batteries for this thing just to make sure its all good.

JerseyDevil

The medication your doctor gave you is a antibiotic, so I doubt that is causing a problem. Are you taking any cold medicine, or a ECA stack? When I started my cycle I had a head cold also. I was taking Claritin-D which contains pseudoephedrine, as do the vast majority of cold medications. It caused my BP to go up to 144/75. But what really concerned me was my pulse was around 100. I thought it was the test at first, but it turned out to be the pseudoephedrine.

Like GR said, that is one of the great things about prop.... the short half life. If it is the test causing the problem, ceasing it should clear it up in a few days, not weeks like a longer ester.

The soreness 24 hours later is completely normal. The prop ester tends to be more painful then the longer esters. For me, the delts only get moderately sore. Glutes I barely feel a thing, while injecting into quads usually is stiff and sore for about 4 days.

Mudge

When pulse rate increases often it can be to compensate for low blood pressure, but if BP and heart rate are both high, thats no bueno.

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Randy

I measured last night and my pulse was like 72

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Randy

But when Mudge talks about that Camaro my pulse goes back up to like 90

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TrojanMan60563

I am about 99% sure that I am going to stop my cycle. When I got to work today I thought I was going to have to walk out do to anxiety. I was sweating like a freak and I felt faint. I am going to get in check before I start back up. I was going to lower then dose, but then I decided its not worth it...I'm going to stop and resume down the road when I lose some BF and get my anxiety under control. Sorry to dissapoint anyone. Nobody can be more upset about it then myself.

Michael D

Why would you disappoint anybody? Everyone here cares more for your health rather than what you lift. Get your stuff straight and come back when you are ready. Good luck and be safe.

"Fear profits man nothing."

Randy

Yeah Trojan,
You're only dissapointing us if you don't get your down and get checked out man

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TrojanMan60563

Thanks guys. I feel like a failure, but hey its better then risking my health right now. It will be much safer for me when I get my BP down and get the anxiety under control. Until then I'll do what I can naturally to keep making gains. Do you think PCT is needed after two injections? Technically I havn't been on a week yet.

Mudge

If you felt like it a week would probably be fine, I probably wouldn't bother myself. Were you going to do a cutter? Its really unpleasant trying to bulk with higher bodyfat, trust me.

iamscrewed

Hey Mudge,

Randy said you might be able to help me. i have some questions regarding D-bol and side effects of steroids in general. Any help would be greatly appreciated

Mudge

Side effects can be from mild to wild, I haven't experienced anything really bad.

Gyno, testicular atrophy, blood pressure, hair loss if you are prone to it, those are the primary things I'd say to watch out for. Acne is not generally a problem unless you are on for awhile, or had it bad as a teen.

If you are going to do oral steroids watch the alcohol, drink rarely if at all and NOT mass quanities. Also I would not stay on them longer than 6 weeks as a generic rule of thumb, and don't go starting off doing some crazy dose either.

25-30mg dbol ED (5mg with each meal) should be a good starting point for a first timer.

TrojanMan60563

Hey mudge I was trying to do a clean bulk. I was going to keep my calories in 4k range to loose fat and gain lean mass. I have lost 6 lbs since last friday. probably mostly water since I have been sweating alot. I was going to run the cycle to add some mass up front then cut the last 8 weeks of it. My anxiety is really out of check right now so I'm going to stop. I guess its a motivation for me to drop some BF and get my anxiety under control. I have all the gear just waiting for the right time. I wonder if the Arimidex can cause any of the funny feelings I've been having. It wasn't until the day after my first inject(also the first day of arimidex) that I started to feel funny. Who knows. If I drop BW down to about 225lbs I will be around 12% BF. That should be ok to resume cycle then. Do you know of any anxiety meds that are common for juiced bodybuilders? I don't want to come out of friday and tell the doctor my future plans...but maybe I should. I dont want any interactions of drugs to mess up the next cycle attempt.

Mudge

You can pick up a PDR (physicians desk reference) or there are some free listings online, but steroids dont interact with nearly anything you'd get your hands on.

How much dex were you using? I haven't had any anxiety issues with letro or femera so I dunno on that one.

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TrojanMan60563

I was using .5mg EOD. Arimidex. I was thinking of doing another injection today as scheduled then don't take any Arimidex to see if thats whats causing it. Yesterday was the last time I took the Arimidex and I still had some pretty intense anxiety today. So its still up in the air. Do you think I should hold off and just get myself in order before starting again? I know its a judgement call but I wanna know what you would do in my shoes.

ZorroAzul

Trojan, I don't know how severe your anxiety is, but a doc can definitely have it under control. For bad cases they prescribe meds such as Xanax, Valium and for less extreme and more psychologically related anxiety a new generation SSRI such as Paxil, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, etc. will do wonders with zero to very few side effects. Go to your doc, or better yet a therapist who will surely get you back on track.

Mudge

I am not sure what I'd do, I never get anxiety from gear. Adex will last in the system for a few days, but at least it will die out in awhile.

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TrojanMan60563

Hey Zorro do you know if those drugs are still effective on gear? I don't know the actual cause for my anxiety. Its not that I am crazy or something. It just started about a year ago while watching movie. I had a panic attack. Don't know what brought it on but ever since then its got worse.

Mudge do you think chances are that the Adex is whats causing my issues more then the test would. I can't see how the test(something I already have anyways)would cause such a negative effect on me. I would have thought if anything more test would have made me feel better.

ZorroAzul

Trojan I am not a Doc, but I haven't read anything about the interaction of gear with any of this stuff.

In fact, I still use sometimes .25 Xanax to go to sleep when I've had a lot of coffe at work. that is 1/4 of a pill, really strong stuff!! and I can't see anyone functioning during their normal lives on this, unless their anxiety is really bad. you can get it through the web no problem

I also suggest an SSRI such as Paxil CR, go to their website and read about it. besides getting the best reviews out of them all, it is very fast acting, you'll feel the effects in a couple of days and not 5-6 weeks like the rest.

But I'd say you get a prescription for this, because it is pricey, about $90 for a 30-day supply if I am not mistaken...

Mudge

I really couldn't much say, I'd blame the test before arimidex but I think only you will find that out if you keep going with test and drop the dex like you have. I couldn't much guess that one.

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TrojanMan60563

Well I stopped the cycle all together with no PCT since I only injected twice. I am going to get the anxiety under control then hit the juice again.

Zorro the Xanax is something I have had before from an emergency room doc when I thought I was dying of a heart attack last year. That stuff is very strong. It makes you very mellow but its so strong it knocks me out. So does Clonapin. I guess the doc can give me a dose that will just knock out the anxiety without knocking me out with it

JerseyDevil

T Man, I agree with your decision. It would appear that the problem is the panic attacks, and not arimidex or test. Bring that under control, and I think you are good to go.

ZorroAzul

I know, that's why I said I used it to sleep sometimes...

Ask your Doc, but from reading your posts I would go with Paxil CR instead of getting on Xanax. Xanax will create dependency, and will keep you mellow and with a "drugged out" feeling.

Paxil is not an instant remedy, takes a few days to work. But it addresses anxiety from a different angle and it will NOT make you mellow, it will control your anxiety, raise your self-confidence and keep you in an overall happy mood.

Research carefully, and make a drug like Xanax your last option, perhaps you want to carry it around for a "just in case", but do not take it on a regular basis.

TrojanMan60563

Thanks for the great advice Zorro. I am going to see doc on friday morning. We'll see what she says.

TrojanMan60563

JD I think your right. When I get my anxiety fixed I will be well on my way then!

Michael D

Is it possible the increase in test and estrogen are causing the panic attacks? Maybe you weren't taking enough dex?

"Fear profits man nothing."

TrojanMan60563

I didn't have any estrogen sides. I think the anxiety was due to the whole injection/gear thing going through my mind. I did notice a change in my body as far as always feeling full and pumped. I felt like I was growing for like three days...like I could feel the muscles getting bigger.

ZorroAzul

Trojan, so what did the doc tell you?? everything allright I hope....