Thread: second cycle

Although enanthate seems to be the ester of choice when it comes to testosterone, I don't think it is the best when it comes to a moderate length cycle. Test enanthate and cypionate esters were mainly developed to treat hypogonal males, who aren't interesting in going to the doctor's office every week to get an injection.

Test prop on the other hand, kicks in almost immediately. Why wait for 4-6 weeks for your test levels to build up, when you can do prop and start making gains within the first week or so? Same thing with tren. Acetate is the way to go. The only caveat, and a big one with some people is the need to inject ed or eod. Also, if I were interested, and I'm not, in doing a lengthy cycle (anything over 12 weeks), I'd start with prop and enanthate to build test levels, then eventually drop the prop to lessen the amount of injections. Prop is also more expensive, and since you do many more injections, you waste more. On the average you lose about .2cc per injection. So since with prop you inject much more often, you waste more juice.

Thanks JD...that was some good info.

Hey JD are you planning on doing another cycle?

Oh yeah... . I promised myself at least two cycles (still have a few weeks left on the first), then decide if I want to continue.

What up doe homies! Good to see both of you are still on point. Yo I had to post when I seen it was 2 of my bois. Man I remember my second cycle as bein a real swell experience ! I know from your past post that you have done your homework, you already know how I roll on tha test issue and I think that I finally figured out another reason( besides tha bloats and bumps) that it don't work for me. I'm not a bodybuilder ,I'm more of a performance athlete which means I need strength, endurance, and speed more than size and weight therefore Test based thangs and D-bol,Decca,etcwould'nt help me much. However in your case my brotha, Your cycle sounds well thought out and SAFE !!!!!!!! I think , (and once agian this is just my opinion which means nothin) that you should increase your cycle length in intervals like 8 weeks, then if you like 10 weeks , 12 weeks, 14weeks which for me is tha max that I feel like I'm still able to maintain tha drive to push hard as I need to really get tha max outta every cycle. Perhaps you can flow for longer, fo sure a lotta people do, but you gotta get some cycles under your belt to feel your flow . Basically trust your body and use your head. Enjoy your 2nd run!!!!!!!!!! Mad props! Peace and Love !!!!!

Good to hear from you Mikhal....thanks for the input...Yeah I am trying to plan this out way before starting it.But I may just do the test and EQ and kickstart it off with some dbol.

Take care bro and drop by more often!!

Hey Mikhal, good advice as always... That makes sense what you said about test being a mass drug. The infamous test/deca/dbol stack would be a bad choice for you. Shiat, it would cut down on your lightning speed!

Have you ever tried a tren/winstrol or tren/winstrol/EQ stack? I hear that is da bomb for getting shredded (along with good diet of course), and strength gains. I just started winny 10 days ago, along with prop, and without a doubt the bloat is coming off, and strength is going up. Problem is, many report joint pain and it would appear, I'm having problems with that also. So if you try winny, do it well in advance of a bout to see how you react.

Later mon .

Hey JD, how long you been on, or did you stop for a bit?

I came to the conclusion that the test e I was using was bogus. Had zero results after 8 weeks. The initial surge I had was purely the m1t I kickstarted with. Once I stopped that, weight and strength dropped steadily.

I decided to switch to test prop for 11 weeks. I'm 7-1/2 weeks in on that.... and its working .

Southern Prop? Was thinking of picking up some of that for a rainy day myself. The UGL EQ was awesome, I was thinking of a stack.

What were your stat changes thus far in terms of strength and size.

Both Southern and UGL prop. Started 150mg eod, lately 180mg eod.

Starting Stats
202 lbs - 174 lbs LBM - 28 lbs fat - 13.86% BF. Max bench 275 (during M1t cycles I usually go up to 305, but 6 weeks afterwards drop back to 275).

Current Stats (after 7-1/2 weeks)
219 lbs - 189 lbs LBM - 30 lbs fat - 13.69% BF. Max bench 310.

Remember I'm 48 years young and I had done some PH/PS cycles beforehand. I'm also on HRT, so shut down is a way of life for me. I believe a prop only cycle was sort of mild for me, but I'm happy with those results so far. The winstrol seems to be making me really tight, especially around the shoulders and traps, plus I can 'feel' my strength going up. It will be interesting to see where I land up strength wise. It will also be interesting to see if these gains are more keepable then my previous attempts... I'm betting they are.

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Both Southern and UGL prop. Started 150mg eod, lately 180mg eod.

I'm doing the same thing now, I dont think I get anything extra out of the test 525mg versus 700mg a week. I do however notice when I come off the fina I have to say, fina really f#cking works.

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Hey Mikhal, good advice as always... That makes sense what you said about test being a mass drug. The infamous test/deca/dbol stack would be a bad choice for you. Shiat, it would cut down on your lightning speed!

Have you ever tried a tren/winstrol or tren/winstrol/EQ stack? I hear that is da bomb for getting shredded (along with good diet of course), and strength gains. I just started winny 10 days ago, along with prop, and without a doubt the bloat is coming off, and strength is going up. Problem is, many report joint pain and it would appear, I'm having problems with that also. So if you try winny, do it well in advance of a bout to see how you react.

Later mon .

JD You must be hide'n in my house ha ha ! That is and has been my bread and butter stacks for quite some time. I also sometimes include Masteron or run low doses (15mg ED for 6 weeks) of Halo in place of tha Winnie. That's what was on tha menu at tha " Last Supper" ha ha ! Oh yeah Winnie kind had an effect on my joints, But I it was easy to deal with, tha proper joint compounds took that right outta tha game. Howeveer I noticed that for me, winnie seems like one of those drugs that really have to be used wit smarts. I think that tha strength gains it gets and lean muscle it can help to score, will make some get injuries if they don't understand that it may make your muscles stronger, your tendons ain't feel'n it ! I think that if a person schools up on that theory, it's one of tha most fly drugs. But thats just me kick'n it, that shit ain't written in stone or tha bible or nothin. Peace and Love

Originally Posted by Mudge

I'm doing the same thing now, I dont think I get anything extra out of the test 525mg versus 700mg a week. I do however notice when I come off the fina I have to say, fina really f#cking works.

Is the fina a homebrew Mudge?

Originally Posted by Mikhal

Howeveer I noticed that for me, winnie seems like one of those drugs that really have to be used wit smarts. I think that tha strength gains it gets and lean muscle it can help to score, will make some get injuries if they don't understand that it may make your muscles stronger, your tendons ain't feel'n it ! I think that if a person schools up on that theory, it's one of tha most fly drugs. But thats just me kick'n it, that shit ain't written in stone or tha bible or nothin. Peace and Love

See? It's true, great minds do think alike... I've heard that about winnie also. It actually promotes collagen growth, but the growth tends to be bittle, so you do have to use your head when working out. Reps in the 1-3 range are definitely out. I've been loading up on glucosamine/MSM and drinking plenty of water. It seems like it is getting better as my body gets used to it.