Thread: First Cycle-need advice!

I would keep it simple and do 1 amp of Sust 250 every 5 days and take 10-20 mg/ED of the nolva to keep water retention down . I would bag the Deca this round as you don't have enough. since the cycle will be short you really don't have to use the HCG...

I realize that this is a small amount of Deca. Do you think it would be worthless to do 1 amp with every sus amp? I'd like to do it all and have none left over. Could it hurt to use the HCG even though it is a short cycle? I didn't want to go 12 weeks first time around. Does the sus really take 3 weeks before getting results? Do I take the nolva during the HCG, too? Thanks for all input! I need an exact routine.

Okay, since no one else has offered advice: should I buy more deca or anything else to make this a good begginers cycle? I keep hearing good things about dbol. I just don't want to lose my libido. Thanks

2 amps of sust per week, forget the deca.

You do not have enough Deca, you need at least 400 mg/week. do not shoot what you have or you will be shutdown but will not get any results.

Being your first cycle, you should respond wonderfully to 500mg Sustanon /week.

So just get a total of 20 vials, twice a week for 10 weeks Easy does it!

Thanks guys! I guess I will have to get more sus and bag the deca. What about the HGC? 1 1500ml every five days starting 10 days after last sus sound good? Take the tamoxifen with the HCG, too? Just want to get it all straight. If I am going to get more sus, should I go for 12 weeks?

500iu E4D or E5D should keep you working unless you are blowing your load quite a bit, you want to use less, not more. Using a higher dose desensatizes response to LH according to some doctors, which would be a very bad thing.

With drugs you want to use the least amount for desired effectiveness, not more

I take HCG through the cycle to avoid atrophy in the first place, because it can be permament or semi permanent (shrunken nads which means lower T level post cycle, for the rest of your life).

12 weeks is doable IMO.

If gyno symptoms show up, then nolvadex/tamoxifen with the HCG/sustanon during your cycle is fine.

Thanks Mudge. Still confused on the HCG. I have 3 1500iu vials. should I take it in increments of 500 during the sus/tamox cycle? I thought it's purpose was to restore natural test production post cycle. I certainly don't want to screw up my LH. By "blowing your load", do mean that my testies are overproducing or something? Maybe 500iu every other week?

It is Pregnyl by the way. Don't know if there are other kinds.

Pirate by "blowing your load" he means bustin a nut...cumming....Taking it during the cycle stops the balls from shrinking to begin with. Its easier to recover if you don't let them get bad to begin with

That is what I figured. Now I know to take 500iu at a time, just not how often. Sorry to ask so many questions, but I would rather do it right the first time. Unless, some one tells me otherwise, I guess I'll just have to judge based on my ball's reaction to the cycle. So when the sus is gone, should I take something like clomid to make sure the tests continue to work well on their own?

500iu E4D or E5D should keep you working...

E4D and E5D, is shorthand for 'every 4 days' and 'every 5 days'. Mudge is advising you to use 500iu every 4 or 5 days.

Yep, you can go twice a week, or even more if needed - I usually just grab a pre-loaded slin pin "when I get around to it." As long as everything is ok downstairs size wize I dont worry much about it, if they are atrophied then I pay attention because I dont want any permanent effects atrophy wise because it will stick with you for the rest of your days low test production wise.

Thanks for the translation JerseyDevil (not sarcastic). I only have 3 vials of Pregnyl, each 1500 iu. So you are saying that each one is about 15 days worth and I should take it for the whole length of my cycle (10-12 weeks)? Sounds like a bunch. Isn't it dangerous to do it for that length of time?

Thanks Mudge, that answers my question. I guess I must get more. I'll monitor the little guys. One thing, though: is a slin pin the tiny one diabetics use?

Yep, slin being insulin, thats what its commonly used for. The ones I use are 29g 1/2" tip and 1cc with unit markings on the side making measuring small amounts very easy and accurate.