Test/deca cycle info w/ PCT ?

DTOWN PLAYA · 08-15-2004, 10:41 AM

ok, Im 195 lbs. do have about 15% body fat, I am at my maximum gain/strength and here's what I am wanting to do..
1st of all, I read the sticky on PCT's, a lot of opinions on that one...
I've taken a couple of shots of deca and (sus)test 250.

bodybuilders at my gym suggested doing the following:
12 week cycle
1st 6 weeks
Mon: 1cc of deca 300 and 1 cc of sus 250 (amp)
thurs: 1cc of deca 300 and 1 cc of sus 250 (amp)

2nd 6 weeks -will be introducing test 400
mon: 1cc of deca 300 and 1 cc of test 400
thurs: 1cc of deca 300 and 1 cc of test 400

..following the cycle "PCT" this is where I get a little confused...
ive read on Nolvadex, clomid and HCG
should I use all three of them for the "Post" treatment, a little of each?

I would appreciate any suggestions on the "12 week" cycle and the PCT...thanx

DTOWN PLAYA · 08-15-2004, 10:47 AM

I will have all the proteins and foods as part of normal cycle in gym..so I will be eating good and healthy as well as implementing proteins into the daily mix of things...

alexvega · 08-15-2004, 10:48 AM

HI bro, i´m a litlle confuse too, but i think, the novaldex it´s better it haven ´t second effecs on your eyes. but you know read the articles that MR MUDGE posted.

ZorroAzul · 08-16-2004, 08:31 PM

1.2 grams of gear a week for a first cycle?? you need 1/2 of that.

**Mudge** · 08-16-2004, 08:44 PM

Nolvadex can affect the eyes as well, but it seems to be clomid has the effect more often and/or worse. You dont want to run that stuff to long or to heavy. I have actually had some blue spots before while on clomid, which actually I have forgotten about by now.

DTOWN PLAYA · 08-19-2004, 08:08 AM

so, should I do less mg's on the cycle?

when should clomid or nolvadex be used? 3 wks prior ending of cycle at end of cycle?
-related to above question...what is the dosage needed and for how long?

thanx

deeno · 08-19-2004, 01:27 PM

Hey bud

Through my research i've learned that nolvadex is the better choice over clomid, as many ppl on the board agree as well. With clomid you jus get pms like a bitch would during her period. Normally you'd start ur PCT 3 weeks after ur last stick of deca. After that it would look like this:

Week 15: 5000IU HCG + 20 mg Nolvadex daily
Week 16: 5000IU HCG + 20 mg Nolvadex daily
Week 17: 2500IU HCG + 20 mg Nolvadex daily
Week 18: 20 mg Nolvadex daily
Week 19: 20 mg Nolvadex daily
Week 20: 20 mg Nolvadex daily

These numbers are from the article that mudge posted on PCT. It'd b a good idea to read that as it is definitely helpful. From what I gather, and from my own personal research, you'd be ok running smaller amounts of HCG for your PCT.

Because you are running a longer cycle and your are using Deca (which tends to completely shut u off), you should also lookin into HCG during a cycle just so ur nuts dont shrink. I have heard 500IU twice a week is sufficient. This stuff is all from my research as I'm still a beginner, so it probably needs tweeking by the experiences guys. Good luck bro.

**Mudge** · 08-19-2004, 02:43 PM

I have posted many thoughts on HCG and that is one protocol I would not follow. I did what research I could because I had problems with my nads on fina, and then with deca as well.

250-500iu twice a week through the cycle keeps them from having issues, or every 4th day.

deeno · 08-19-2004, 02:52 PM

Hey Mudge, would you do this throughout your cycle, ie. HCG 250IU twice a week for ten weeks through cycle, as well as in ur PCT?

I am going to go on a test enan 500 mg/week for ten weeks...Thanks bro

**Pirate!** · 08-19-2004, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deeno

Hey Mudge, would you do this throughout your cycle, ie. HCG 250IU twice a week for ten weeks through cycle, as well as in ur PCT?

I am going to go on a test enan 500 mg/week for ten weeks...Thanks bro

This is what I plan to do, except I will stop HCG about 5 days prior to PCT. I will use sustanon, though.

**Mudge** · 08-19-2004, 03:50 PM

Deeno, not in your post cycle no.

deeno · 08-19-2004, 04:18 PM

so run:

Test enan 500 mg/ week for ten weeks
HCG 250IU/twice a week

PCT:
Nolva three weeks after last dose of test at 20mg/day for 5 weeks?

Use nolva through the cycle or not? everyone knows that test causes an excess of estroegen, so do u recommend the use of nolva durin the cycle to keep escess estro down, or should i jus keep the nolva on hand in case gyno comes around.

It makes sense that if ur using HCG during a cycle (especially my simple cycle of test for ten weeks), that it wont be needed in the PCT, considering that ur nads would be somewhat normal (because of HCG throughout cycle), as far as i know its not an anti-estroegen...

Thanks for the input bro

**Pirate!** · 08-19-2004, 04:38 PM

Why wait three weeks? The half life is closer to 1.5 weeks. Some estrogen is beneficial for growth, so you should just keep the nolva "on hand" in case gyno does show. PCT is a time for recovery. HCG use would delay the recovery if taken during PCT.

deeno · 08-19-2004, 05:42 PM

i was under the impression that enan stays in ur system for about three weeks, but i think the source said that it can have effects UP TO three weeks, damn the clarity, ur rite pirate, two weeks after the last dose is good...thanks bro

when i do start my pct, nolva will be used, 20 mg a day adequate? or should i start with a higher dose and steadily triangle to lower amounts..and for how long, thanks guys

**Pirate!** · 08-19-2004, 05:48 PM

A plethora of info on this stuff can be found here: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=18411 (Half Lives - PCT etc etc etc)

**Mudge** · 08-19-2004, 05:52 PM

The higher the dose you use it will take longer to "clear" the system, so really it depends on several factors.

ZorroAzul · 08-19-2004, 07:06 PM

deeno, you got it right.

1-10 Test enanthate 500 mg/week (preferably in two shots)
1-11 HCG 250-500 iu twice a week or E4D
13-16 maybe even 17,18 Nolvadex 20mg/day

of course, keep nolva on hand just in case you develop gyno symptoms during cycle. in that case 40 mg/day until you get back to normal, then continue 20 mg/day until week 16

DTOWN PLAYA · 08-19-2004, 08:30 PM

I appreciate all responses, very informative...one more question related to above replies...regarding HCG during the cycle...when should one start it? at beginning of cycle, in middle?

tk... · 09-07-2004, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZorroAzul

deeno, you got it right.

1-10 Test enanthate 500 mg/week (preferably in two shots)
1-11 HCG 250-500 iu twice a week or E4D
13-16 maybe even 17,18 Nolvadex 20mg/day

of course, keep nolva on hand just in case you develop gyno symptoms during cycle. in that case 40 mg/day until you get back to normal, then continue 20 mg/day until week 16

i am following a very similar cycle, with the adition of deca. My only question is why do u cut off the HCG during the 11 week. I would think on runnign it up to the 13 week, and immidiatly start PCT.

**Mudge** · 09-07-2004, 06:05 AM

If you had a 5k iu amp of HCG and you were doing a 10 week cycle you may as well start right off with it.

thebishop · 05-29-2005, 12:00 PM

Iv'e Learned Alot Today First Get Info First Or Be A Dum Ass When Running Your First Test Cycle Should Deca Be Apart Of It Or Not What Goes First Test Or Deca Hcg What Is This Forgive Me Im New To This Side Of It But Ive Been Lifting For Awhile Just Getting Older And Would Like To Keep My Edge Info Is Power So Impower Me

**Pirate!** · 05-29-2005, 08:51 PM

Punctuation and sentence structure goes a long way when you want people to understand what you are saying, thebishop. Welcome to IM. BTW.

Tha Don · 05-30-2005, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebishop

Iv'e Learned Alot Today First Get Info First Or Be A Dum Ass When Running Your First Test Cycle Should Deca Be Apart Of It Or Not What Goes First Test Or Deca Hcg What Is This Forgive Me Im New To This Side Of It But Ive Been Lifting For Awhile Just Getting Older And Would Like To Keep My Edge Info Is Power So Impower Me

08-15-2004, 10:41 AM	#1
DTOWN PLAYA Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: DTOWN Posts: 11	Test/deca cycle info w/ PCT ? ok, Im 195 lbs. do have about 15% body fat, I am at my maximum gain/strength and here's what I am wanting to do.. 1st of all, I read the sticky on PCT's, a lot of opinions on that one... I've taken a couple of shots of deca and (sus)test 250. bodybuilders at my gym suggested doing the following: 12 week cycle 1st 6 weeks Mon: 1cc of deca 300 and 1 cc of sus 250 (amp) thurs: 1cc of deca 300 and 1 cc of sus 250 (amp) 2nd 6 weeks -will be introducing test 400 mon: 1cc of deca 300 and 1 cc of test 400 thurs: 1cc of deca 300 and 1 cc of test 400 ..following the cycle "PCT" this is where I get a little confused... ive read on Nolvadex, clomid and HCG should I use all three of them for the "Post" treatment, a little of each? I would appreciate any suggestions on the "12 week" cycle and the PCT...thanx

08-15-2004, 10:47 AM	#2
DTOWN PLAYA Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: DTOWN Posts: 11	quick note... I will have all the proteins and foods as part of normal cycle in gym..so I will be eating good and healthy as well as implementing proteins into the daily mix of things...

08-16-2004, 08:31 PM	#4
ZorroAzul keep religion to yourself Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 302	1.2 grams of gear a week for a first cycle?? you need 1/2 of that.
	Gambatte!

08-16-2004, 08:44 PM	#5
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Nolvadex can affect the eyes as well, but it seems to be clomid has the effect more often and/or worse. You dont want to run that stuff to long or to heavy. I have actually had some blue spots before while on clomid, which actually I have forgotten about by now.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

08-19-2004, 01:27 PM	#7
deeno Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 159	Hey bud Through my research i've learned that nolvadex is the better choice over clomid, as many ppl on the board agree as well. With clomid you jus get pms like a bitch would during her period. Normally you'd start ur PCT 3 weeks after ur last stick of deca. After that it would look like this: Week 15: 5000IU HCG + 20 mg Nolvadex daily Week 16: 5000IU HCG + 20 mg Nolvadex daily Week 17: 2500IU HCG + 20 mg Nolvadex daily Week 18: 20 mg Nolvadex daily Week 19: 20 mg Nolvadex daily Week 20: 20 mg Nolvadex daily These numbers are from the article that mudge posted on PCT. It'd b a good idea to read that as it is definitely helpful. From what I gather, and from my own personal research, you'd be ok running smaller amounts of HCG for your PCT. Because you are running a longer cycle and your are using Deca (which tends to completely shut u off), you should also lookin into HCG during a cycle just so ur nuts dont shrink. I have heard 500IU twice a week is sufficient. This stuff is all from my research as I'm still a beginner, so it probably needs tweeking by the experiences guys. Good luck bro.
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08-15-2004, 10:48 AM	#3
alexvega simpsom Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: costaRica Posts: 1,139 Photos: 21	HI bro, i´m a litlle confuse too, but i think, the novaldex it´s better it haven ´t second effecs on your eyes. but you know read the articles that MR MUDGE posted.

08-19-2004, 08:08 AM	#6
DTOWN PLAYA Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: DTOWN Posts: 11	so, should I do less mg's on the cycle? when should clomid or nolvadex be used? 3 wks prior ending of cycle at end of cycle? -related to above question...what is the dosage needed and for how long? thanx

08-19-2004, 02:43 PM	#8
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	I have posted many thoughts on HCG and that is one protocol I would not follow. I did what research I could because I had problems with my nads on fina, and then with deca as well. 250-500iu twice a week through the cycle keeps them from having issues, or every 4th day.

08-19-2004, 02:52 PM	#9
deeno Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 159	Hey Mudge, would you do this throughout your cycle, ie. HCG 250IU twice a week for ten weeks through cycle, as well as in ur PCT? I am going to go on a test enan 500 mg/week for ten weeks...Thanks bro
deeno Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 159

08-19-2004, 03:50 PM	#11
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Deeno, not in your post cycle no.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

08-19-2004, 04:18 PM	#12
deeno Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 159	so run: Test enan 500 mg/ week for ten weeks HCG 250IU/twice a week PCT: Nolva three weeks after last dose of test at 20mg/day for 5 weeks? Use nolva through the cycle or not? everyone knows that test causes an excess of estroegen, so do u recommend the use of nolva durin the cycle to keep escess estro down, or should i jus keep the nolva on hand in case gyno comes around. It makes sense that if ur using HCG during a cycle (especially my simple cycle of test for ten weeks), that it wont be needed in the PCT, considering that ur nads would be somewhat normal (because of HCG throughout cycle), as far as i know its not an anti-estroegen... Thanks for the input bro
deeno Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 159

08-19-2004, 05:42 PM	#14
deeno Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 159	i was under the impression that enan stays in ur system for about three weeks, but i think the source said that it can have effects UP TO three weeks, damn the clarity, ur rite pirate, two weeks after the last dose is good...thanks bro when i do start my pct, nolva will be used, 20 mg a day adequate? or should i start with a higher dose and steadily triangle to lower amounts..and for how long, thanks guys
deeno Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 159

08-19-2004, 05:52 PM	#16
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	The higher the dose you use it will take longer to "clear" the system, so really it depends on several factors.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

08-19-2004, 07:06 PM	#17
ZorroAzul keep religion to yourself Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 302	deeno, you got it right. 1-10 Test enanthate 500 mg/week (preferably in two shots) 1-11 HCG 250-500 iu twice a week or E4D 13-16 maybe even 17,18 Nolvadex 20mg/day of course, keep nolva on hand just in case you develop gyno symptoms during cycle. in that case 40 mg/day until you get back to normal, then continue 20 mg/day until week 16
	Gambatte!

08-19-2004, 08:30 PM	#18
DTOWN PLAYA Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: DTOWN Posts: 11	I appreciate all responses, very informative...one more question related to above replies...regarding HCG during the cycle...when should one start it? at beginning of cycle, in middle?

09-07-2004, 06:05 AM	#20
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	If you had a 5k iu amp of HCG and you were doing a 10 week cycle you may as well start right off with it.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

05-29-2005, 12:00 PM	#21
thebishop Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3	Iv'e Learned Alot Today First Get Info First Or Be A Dum Ass When Running Your First Test Cycle Should Deca Be Apart Of It Or Not What Goes First Test Or Deca Hcg What Is This Forgive Me Im New To This Side Of It But Ive Been Lifting For Awhile Just Getting Older And Would Like To Keep My Edge Info Is Power So Impower Me
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