winstrol

diezel · 12-29-2001, 07:08 PM

i was thinking about doing just a cycle of winstrol.....i really dont want to get much bigger with any of the other steroids...all i want is to get cut..and i heard this is good. do i have to take anything else with that and how are the androgenic effects that come with it?

diezel · 12-29-2001, 07:47 PM

and if thats not good is there any thing else that i might benefit from in the getting cut department and gaining a little extra mass?

**Prince** · 12-31-2001, 11:28 AM

Until Ms Figure can answer you, I found this -->

Winstrol depot is very popular anabolic steroid and is a derivative of DHT. It is a relatively low androgenic steroid which does not seem to aromatize. It can be toxic to the liver in excessive dosages.

Very few user report water retention or any other side effects. It is a popular all purpose steroid; many stack with Primobolan depot for cutting, others stack it with testosterone for size and strength gains. Women often use winstrol depot but occasionally it can cause virilization, even at low dosages. Users report that the muscle gains they make are solid, they are well retained after the drug use is discontinued.

Athletes also find that the injectable version is far superior to the oral. Stanozolol comes in 50 mg/cc, 2 mg/tab or 5mg/tab. Dosages range from 3-5 ccs per week for men, 1-2 ccs in women. Oral dosages are usually in the area of 16-30 mg per day for men, 4-8 mg for women.Average dose is 3-5 cc in vials per week or 16-30 mg in tablets a day.

**gopro** · 01-01-2002, 12:50 PM

I think you'd be better off with Anavar aka Oxandrolone. Great for strength and hardness...little size gain...no injections, and little side effects, if any at all.

mac83 · 01-03-2002, 11:19 AM

winstrol should be pretty good for you, anavar is also good just like gopro said. Equipoise will get you a little bigger but you'll be more likely to keep your gains..

diezel · 01-08-2002, 09:11 PM

so oxadralone...is better for cutting and will retain results...and comes in pills....is this easily accessible?

**gopro** · 01-09-2002, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by diezel
so oxadralone...is better for cutting and will retain results...and comes in pills....is this easily accessible?

Winstrol is probably more accessible to most than Anavar is. Winstrol comes in injection and pills, and Anavar only in pills. They are both good for cutting, but Winstrol may produce better size gains. Anavar is slightly easier on the system though. As far as keeping your gains after a cycle...that depends on how you handle coming off, however, while gains are less with these 2 drugs than some others, they are also more solid and retainable.

derat · 01-09-2002, 07:44 AM

So, Gopro or is it Yoda? , what is the best way to come off a cycle and still retain the gains?

**gopro** · 01-09-2002, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by derat
So, Gopro or is it Yoda? , what is the best way to come off a cycle and still retain the gains?

Maybe it is Yodapro or Goda...hmmmmm...well, the best way to come off is with the use of several supplements...
-clomid:to get natural test levels up
-tribestan:same as above
-creatine:to keep muscles volumized and to maintain strength
-glutamine:increase nitrogen retention, improve immune function
-PS:to keep cortisol levels in check

Also reduce training volume for 2 weeks and raise protein levels by about 50 grams per day for 2 weeks. This will all help to solidify gains made on drugs.

derat · 01-09-2002, 08:40 AM

Yodapro - I like that! Do you take clomid and tribestan at the same time or is this either/or? How much do you take and do you know how much this stuff costs? I am already taking creatine (CGP - creatine-gycerol-phosphate) and glutamine (3/4 teaspon twice a day) along with CLA (1.5 tablespoon once a day) along with a couple whey protein drinks and some other crap. You know, there is a hell of alot of background work just to be able to go to the gym and work your ass off!!!! And what is PS? What does it cost, where do you get it and how much do you take? I think you are going to have to adopt me!

**gopro** · 01-09-2002, 04:23 PM

Derat...I'd adopt you, but I'm afraid I won't be able to afford food for me AND you

As to the questions...clomid is superior to Tribestan and that would be the preferred choice after a cycle. However, clomid is a drug and Tribestan is a natural supplement.

For clomid it is a good idea to take 50-100mg everyday for 2-4 weeks...for Tribestan you will need about 1000mg per day for 4 weeks...

For the creatine and glutamine I would recommend a loading phase the week after coming off steroids...about 20 grams of each per day for 1 week...

PS or phosphatidylserine is a natural supplement shown to lower cortisol levels which WILL be elevated after coming off the juice. High cortisol is a no no for us bodybuilders. It is not very expensive and I recommend 400mg in the morning and before bed, and, 800mg 1 hour before training. Do this for 2-4 weeks...

derat · 01-10-2002, 03:01 PM

Well, if we can't eat,then we don't get big and that would be a problem! Thanks for the input, Gopro. If you have time, could you check out the following URL and give me your thoughts?

http://www.pharmabolic.com

Thanks

**gopro** · 01-10-2002, 04:13 PM

Are you thinking of ordering from this site?

diezel · 01-13-2002, 08:54 PM

how much of the anavar daily do you have to take..to see effects?

**gopro** · 01-14-2002, 08:16 AM

Men will need in the range of 15-25 mg per day...women about 5-10 mg.

diezel · 01-17-2002, 04:09 PM

thanks.....really helpful info!

joker · 02-11-2002, 04:51 AM

which is a good roid to start out on Im 6' 225 can I use just one and see gains or usedo you have to use a couple

**gopro** · 02-11-2002, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by joker
which is a good roid to start out on Im 6' 225 can I use just one and see gains or usedo you have to use a couple

You will see better gains by stacking two or more steroids. However, I've seen first timers do very well on just a cycle of DECA or WINSTROL. Better to use less in the beginning, and get the most you can from as little as possible. As you get more advanced, you can begin experimenting with various combos. That is my advice.

joker · 02-11-2002, 03:08 PM

I would like to start out on winstrol to burn fat and gain size,are over seas companys good to buy from.

**gopro** · 02-11-2002, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by joker
I would like to start out on winstrol to burn fat and gain size,are over seas companys good to buy from.

Well, yes and no. If you manage to find a legit supplier, than consider yourself lucky...and they ARE out there. If you get a scammer, you will send your money and get back fake stuff or nothing at all. The other problem with sending overseas is customs...most packages will make it through, but often times it can get siezed...if that happens you will get a letter in the mail telling you that your package was siezed. If your order was small, you will be fine...you just lost your money...but if it was big, there is a small chance they could come knocking on your door...this is rare, but has happened.

joker · 02-11-2002, 07:42 PM

Is pharmabolic .com a site that rips you off , Did you hear anyone ever get anything good from it

joker · 02-11-2002, 07:53 PM

needle size (( does size really matter )) somebody said 3cc 23 gauge 1.5 or 3cc 18 gauge 1 1/2 thats looks huge is this right starting to sweat thinging about it

**gopro** · 02-12-2002, 07:22 AM

Honestly, don't know about Pharmabolic...as for needle size, the type of needle used depends on the drug being injected...different viscosity of solution(water/oil) and the injection site.

For example...in order to inject Winnie V in the thigh or glutes you will need a 22-23 gauge, 1-1.5 inch long needle.

cornfed · 02-12-2002, 11:31 AM

Alright, here's my advice.

1st!!!! No steroid will burn fat. they are used to preserve muscle when cutting through the use of cardio, calorie depletion, and or fat-burning drugs.

I just want to say that IMHO a Winstrol ONLY cycle is a baaaaad idea, but if that's what you're gonna do.... Even though it's liver toxisity is somewhat arguable, to avoid that posibility, you would only be taking it for 6 weeks. You would need to take 50-100mg/ed. also, Injecting has been shown to be 17% more effective. If you drink the injectable form or use tabs, divide the dose up and take throughout the day. You'll experience some joint pain, but that's normal. follow ANY cycle w/ 100mg clomid for 7-10days and then 50mg for 2weeks. The timing on clomid start is dependant upon how long the drug is in you're system. w/ Winstrol, start the day after your last dose.
(winny is generally used at the end of a cycle to "harden up and solidify gains")

Anavar/oxandrolone.
Honestly, I think the best way to dose this costly drug is @ 30-40mg/ED for 10-12 weeks. you'll see some very moderate gains and have the benefit of not having your testes shut down.

EQ/boldenone
good drug. must be injected. moderate, but keepable gains (using clomid pst cycle

). brings out vascularity and seriously increases appetite and oily skin. Dosages from 200-400mg/week for 10weeks. I say 400mg.

Testosterone propionate
ester of test that causes little or no water retention. good for keeping your T levels up while using (an) anabolic(s) and for some gains. doses @ 50-100mg/eod for 10-12weeks.

Primo
anabolic drug w/ few sides and little effect on your natural test. works similarly to EQ, but not quite as effective and w/ less sides. dose @ 3-400mg/wk (injectable) and 1.25-1.5 times that if you take the tabs.

Bottom line, though. If you're cutting, no drug will put too much mass on you. you need the calories that you will be lowering. The key is to take one that causes as little water retention as possible and will give you the best results/price range.

Example cycles:

1. Primo @ 400mg/week for 10weeks
-----anavar @ 40mg/day for weeks 1-10
-----winstrol @ 50mg/ed for weeks 7-12
------clomid weeks 13-15

2. *anavar @ 40mg/ed weeks 1-10
------winny @ 50mg/ed weeks 7-12

*- you could substitute the 'var for primo @ 400mg/week
Winny and 'Var are pretty expensive for the results you'll get, but they do work. Check out my cutting cycle to see an example of what kind of stack can be used. But the main thing is, RESEARCH 1st. then think of using.

Peace

cornfed · 02-12-2002, 11:33 AM

Gopro, why do you say to use a 22-23ga pin for a water base?

Peace

joker · 02-12-2002, 02:57 PM

Thanks for all your input,so you feel one single anabolic is no good for a cycle ,

**gopro** · 02-13-2002, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by joker
Thanks for all your input,so you feel one single anabolic is no good for a cycle ,

For a first timer, I believe that a single steroid like Deca or Winstrol(preferably injectable) will produce good gains with minimal side effects. If you are looking to add 40 lbs in six weeks, obviously you will need a more potent stack. But, I think this is foolish unless you are quite advanced, or a competitor.

One of the guys at my gym recently went on some gear. I had him take 200-400 mg of Deca...in a triangle pyramid...over 10 weeks. We finished with a clomid/nolvadex/PS(OTC supplement) combo. He gained 17 quality lbs, and now, 6 weeks later, is still holding ALL 17 lbs.

**gopro** · 02-13-2002, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cornfed
Gopro, why do you say to use a 22-23ga pin for a water base?

Peace

My bad...thanks for catching that...my brain was on rewind...what do you think...25 ga, or insulin needle if injecting in delt?

12-29-2001, 07:08 PM	#1
diezel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: n.y. new york Posts: 27	winstrol BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com i was thinking about doing just a cycle of winstrol.....i really dont want to get much bigger with any of the other steroids...all i want is to get cut..and i heard this is good. do i have to take anything else with that and how are the androgenic effects that come with it?

12-31-2001, 11:28 AM	#3
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,457 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 313	Until Ms Figure can answer you, I found this --> Winstrol depot is very popular anabolic steroid and is a derivative of DHT. It is a relatively low androgenic steroid which does not seem to aromatize. It can be toxic to the liver in excessive dosages. Very few user report water retention or any other side effects. It is a popular all purpose steroid; many stack with Primobolan depot for cutting, others stack it with testosterone for size and strength gains. Women often use winstrol depot but occasionally it can cause virilization, even at low dosages. Users report that the muscle gains they make are solid, they are well retained after the drug use is discontinued. Athletes also find that the injectable version is far superior to the oral. Stanozolol comes in 50 mg/cc, 2 mg/tab or 5mg/tab. Dosages range from 3-5 ccs per week for men, 1-2 ccs in women. Oral dosages are usually in the area of 16-30 mg per day for men, 4-8 mg for women.Average dose is 3-5 cc in vials per week or 16-30 mg in tablets a day.
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01-01-2002, 12:50 PM	#4
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,486	I think you'd be better off with Anavar aka Oxandrolone. Great for strength and hardness...little size gain...no injections, and little side effects, if any at all.
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01-09-2002, 04:23 PM	#11
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,486	Derat...I'd adopt you, but I'm afraid I won't be able to afford food for me AND you As to the questions...clomid is superior to Tribestan and that would be the preferred choice after a cycle. However, clomid is a drug and Tribestan is a natural supplement. For clomid it is a good idea to take 50-100mg everyday for 2-4 weeks...for Tribestan you will need about 1000mg per day for 4 weeks... For the creatine and glutamine I would recommend a loading phase the week after coming off steroids...about 20 grams of each per day for 1 week... PS or phosphatidylserine is a natural supplement shown to lower cortisol levels which WILL be elevated after coming off the juice. High cortisol is a no no for us bodybuilders. It is not very expensive and I recommend 400mg in the morning and before bed, and, 800mg 1 hour before training. Do this for 2-4 weeks...
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01-10-2002, 04:13 PM	#13
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,486	Are you thinking of ordering from this site?
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12-29-2001, 07:47 PM	#2
diezel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: n.y. new york Posts: 27	and if thats not good is there any thing else that i might benefit from in the getting cut department and gaining a little extra mass?

01-03-2002, 11:19 AM	#5
mac83 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: usa Posts: 7	winstrol should be pretty good for you, anavar is also good just like gopro said. Equipoise will get you a little bigger but you'll be more likely to keep your gains..

01-08-2002, 09:11 PM	#6
diezel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: n.y. new york Posts: 27	so oxadralone...is better for cutting and will retain results...and comes in pills....is this easily accessible?

01-09-2002, 07:44 AM	#8
derat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: new orleans, la Posts: 22	So, Gopro or is it Yoda? , what is the best way to come off a cycle and still retain the gains?

01-09-2002, 08:40 AM	#10
derat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: new orleans, la Posts: 22	Yodapro - I like that! Do you take clomid and tribestan at the same time or is this either/or? How much do you take and do you know how much this stuff costs? I am already taking creatine (CGP - creatine-gycerol-phosphate) and glutamine (3/4 teaspon twice a day) along with CLA (1.5 tablespoon once a day) along with a couple whey protein drinks and some other crap. You know, there is a hell of alot of background work just to be able to go to the gym and work your ass off!!!! And what is PS? What does it cost, where do you get it and how much do you take? I think you are going to have to adopt me!

01-10-2002, 03:01 PM	#12
derat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: new orleans, la Posts: 22	Well, if we can't eat,then we don't get big and that would be a problem! Thanks for the input, Gopro. If you have time, could you check out the following URL and give me your thoughts? http://www.pharmabolic.com Thanks

01-13-2002, 08:54 PM	#14
diezel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: n.y. new york Posts: 27	how much of the anavar daily do you have to take..to see effects?

01-14-2002, 08:16 AM	#15
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,486	Men will need in the range of 15-25 mg per day...women about 5-10 mg.
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01-17-2002, 04:09 PM	#16
diezel Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: n.y. new york Posts: 27	thanks.....really helpful info!

02-11-2002, 04:51 AM	#17
joker Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Keystone state Posts: 25	which is a good roid to start out on Im 6' 225 can I use just one and see gains or usedo you have to use a couple

02-11-2002, 03:08 PM	#19
joker Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Keystone state Posts: 25	I would like to start out on winstrol to burn fat and gain size,are over seas companys good to buy from.

02-11-2002, 07:42 PM	#21
joker Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Keystone state Posts: 25	Is pharmabolic .com a site that rips you off , Did you hear anyone ever get anything good from it

02-11-2002, 07:53 PM	#22
joker Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Keystone state Posts: 25	needle size (( does size really matter )) somebody said 3cc 23 gauge 1.5 or 3cc 18 gauge 1 1/2 thats looks huge is this right starting to sweat thinging about it

02-12-2002, 07:22 AM	#23
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,486	Honestly, don't know about Pharmabolic...as for needle size, the type of needle used depends on the drug being injected...different viscosity of solution(water/oil) and the injection site. For example...in order to inject Winnie V in the thigh or glutes you will need a 22-23 gauge, 1-1.5 inch long needle.
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02-12-2002, 11:31 AM	#24
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Alright, here's my advice. 1st!!!! No steroid will burn fat. they are used to preserve muscle when cutting through the use of cardio, calorie depletion, and or fat-burning drugs. I just want to say that IMHO a Winstrol ONLY cycle is a baaaaad idea, but if that's what you're gonna do.... Even though it's liver toxisity is somewhat arguable, to avoid that posibility, you would only be taking it for 6 weeks. You would need to take 50-100mg/ed. also, Injecting has been shown to be 17% more effective. If you drink the injectable form or use tabs, divide the dose up and take throughout the day. You'll experience some joint pain, but that's normal. follow ANY cycle w/ 100mg clomid for 7-10days and then 50mg for 2weeks. The timing on clomid start is dependant upon how long the drug is in you're system. w/ Winstrol, start the day after your last dose. (winny is generally used at the end of a cycle to "harden up and solidify gains") Anavar/oxandrolone. Honestly, I think the best way to dose this costly drug is @ 30-40mg/ED for 10-12 weeks. you'll see some very moderate gains and have the benefit of not having your testes shut down. EQ/boldenone good drug. must be injected. moderate, but keepable gains (using clomid pst cycle ). brings out vascularity and seriously increases appetite and oily skin. Dosages from 200-400mg/week for 10weeks. I say 400mg. Testosterone propionate ester of test that causes little or no water retention. good for keeping your T levels up while using (an) anabolic(s) and for some gains. doses @ 50-100mg/eod for 10-12weeks. Primo anabolic drug w/ few sides and little effect on your natural test. works similarly to EQ, but not quite as effective and w/ less sides. dose @ 3-400mg/wk (injectable) and 1.25-1.5 times that if you take the tabs. Bottom line, though. If you're cutting, no drug will put too much mass on you. you need the calories that you will be lowering. The key is to take one that causes as little water retention as possible and will give you the best results/price range. Example cycles: 1. Primo @ 400mg/week for 10weeks -----anavar @ 40mg/day for weeks 1-10 -----winstrol @ 50mg/ed for weeks 7-12 ------clomid weeks 13-15 2. anavar @ 40mg/ed weeks 1-10 ------winny @ 50mg/ed weeks 7-12 - you could substitute the 'var for primo @ 400mg/week Winny and 'Var are pretty expensive for the results you'll get, but they do work. Check out my cutting cycle to see an example of what kind of stack can be used. But the main thing is, RESEARCH 1st. then think of using. Peace
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02-12-2002, 11:33 AM	#25
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Gopro, why do you say to use a 22-23ga pin for a water base? Peace
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02-12-2002, 02:57 PM	#26
joker Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Keystone state Posts: 25	Thanks for all your input,so you feel one single anabolic is no good for a cycle ,