Thread: Chest....

Sounds like a nice way to rip your liver out.

Paul Demayo got ragged on for his chest genetics, thats your key word right there, genetics. If it bothers you, then dont train anything else hard but your chest until it catches up. Then when the rest of you overpowers your chest do it again. Milos Sarcev had the same problem, but with his arms, and it cost him in points and he had to leave the rest of his body on maintenance so that the arms could catch up.

Is this cycle wrong?? I had many people tell me that it was a good base cycle...

I am also using Legalon 70 for the liver issue. I was not able to get Nolvadex, so I am trying the OTC OXO6.

you should always use test as a base on a cycle. and taking dbol and winny at the same time is hell on your liver...

chances are you won't be able to get a boner even if Pamela Anderson got on her knees and blew you.... :-)

Your doses are high on both, how is that the base of a cycle?

you need max 30 mg of d-bol daily, if u have the 5 mg tabs, one every 3-4 hours to keep blood levels up, for a total of 4 weeks. 60 mg is pretty high. Deca and winny will leave u with limp dick.

also, 200 mg a week of deca is a waste...you were given some very bad info

Its 200 eod.....not weekly

even worse...that's between 600-800 mg/wk of deca with no test

what exactly is the point of this cycle ? because it is neither a bulking or cutting cycle, simply a poorly designed one...

600-800 mg is a high dose of deca, u'll need HCG or ur nuts will shrink dude, also you need an anti estro, like clomid or nolva for ur PCT, especially since you are using dbol

i would get some test enan at 500mg weekly, run ur deca 400 mg weekly, and 30 mg daily of dbol, drop the winny, the more experienced guys can confirm this, good luck

Ok, I can get about anything I need. You guys tell me what you think is the perfect stack. I weight 215 and have been working out for a few years. I screwed up on that dosing amount, it is 50mg winny and 100mg deca EOD. I'm not trying to hide it I am new at this and have obviously been getting crap for information. Since I am only a week into this can I just drop the D-Bol totally and keep at the same pace with the winny and deca or what.......

what are your goals
ie. bulking, cutting

Just wanting to gain a little mass

drop the winny
test enan at 500 mg/week 1-10
dbol 30mg ed week 1-4
deca 400 mg week 1-10

HCG 250-500 IU biweekly
Nolva 20mg/day for pct for 3-5 weeks

for my first cycle i'll b runnin just test, seein wut happens
but dude definitely research what ur putting into ur body, and remember its all about diet...

I had researched it and alot of people have told me that d-bol and deca were a great combination alone...

There are few people out there who do deca without testosterone. Lee Priest claimed his first cycle was deca, and I can think of maybe 2 people of all the message boards I'm on who dont get deca dick from running deca only cycles.

The saying test is best, is popular for a reason. Nothing like testosterone, of course with various sides trenbolone is quite awesome in itself but I still wont run a cycle without testosterone.

Just tell me what is a good cycle for a starter, forget that I have the deca, winny and d-bol. What is a good mass builder with the least side effects. I am not looking to get huge, I just want a little more mass that is not gonna disappear as soon as I get of the cycle. Not saying that after the cycle I quit working out so don't say it will always go away if you quit working out. I just mean a good mild cycle with a low side effect rate and doesn't crash after you finish with it.

Deeno's recommended cycle is right on the money. It is the classic bulking/mass stack. Winstrol is better for cutting and generally is used the last six weeks of a cycle. For your purposes, I would drop it and use it in a cutter later on. I would do the Nolva a bit differently also.

Test enanthate weeks 1-10, 250mg twice weekly
Deca weeks 1-10, 200mg twice weekly
Dbol weeks 1-4, 30mg ED
Nolvadex weeks 1-12, 10-20mg ED OR Arimidex 0.5mg EOD (A-dex preferred)
HCG weeks 1-12, 250iu's twice weekly
Nolva weeks 13 & 14, 40mg ED
Nolva weeks 15 & 16, 20mg ED

Remember to eat a LOT of calories, and at take in at least 300 grams of protein per day.

Originally Posted by R1pilot

Just tell me what is a good cycle for a starter, forget that I have the deca, winny and d-bol. What is a good mass builder with the least side effects. I am not looking to get huge, I just want a little more mass that is not gonna disappear as soon as I get of the cycle. Not saying that after the cycle I quit working out so don't say it will always go away if you quit working out. I just mean a good mild cycle with a low side effect rate and doesn't crash after you finish with it.

So eat more food then and work out. You dont need drugs for that.

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Deeno's recommended cycle is right on the money. It is the classic bulking/mass stack. Winstrol is better for cutting and generally is used the last six weeks of a cycle. For your purposes, I would drop it and use it in a cutter later on. I would do the Nolva a bit differently also.

Test enanthate weeks 1-10, 250mg twice weekly
Deca weeks 1-10, 200mg twice weekly
Dbol weeks 1-4, 30mg ED
Nolvadex weeks 1-12, 10-20mg ED OR Arimidex 0.5mg EOD (A-dex preferred)
HCG weeks 1-12, 250iu's twice weekly
Nolva weeks 13 & 14, 40mg ED
Nolva weeks 15 & 16, 20mg ED

Remember to eat a LOT of calories, and at take in at least 300 grams of protein per day.

This is exactly what I was planning for my second cycle, except the d-bol would be 25 mg/day (since I have 50s). My question is this: since I only will weigh about 165 lbs when I start the cycle, can I use 300 mg of deca a week instead of 400? I don't want too be too shut down or suffer deca-dick any worse than I have to.

pirate

from what i gather, i would keep the 400 mg, as long as ur using test, i dont think 100 mg more or less a week will determine whether u 'shut down' or not, just my opin though


pilot

with the cycle i mentioned u'll gain 15-20 pounds muscle easy, providing you are training and eating right (calorie intake), also providing normal genetics. u have to keep calories up not only through ur cycle but well after to keep it.

Well my pics are all natural, so I think I eat pretty good. I just want to do this right or not do it at all.

OK, I have checked around, I cannot get the Test enanthate. Could I substitute Sustenon, 250mg a week?

Sustenon 1-10, 250mg a week
Deca 1-10, 100mg EOD
Nolvadex 1-16 @ 20mg ED, 13-14 being 40mg ED
HCG 3-12 @ 250 iu twice a week

test is test is test
yea u can substitute sust for enan

wut happened to the dbol, sust usually takes about three weeks to 'kick in', so u can jumpstart ur cycle with some dbol through weeks 1-4 at 30mg/day

Originally Posted by R1pilot

OK, I have checked around, I cannot get the Test enanthate. Could I substitute Sustenon, 250mg a week?

Sustenon 1-10, 250mg a week
Deca 1-10, 100mg EOD
Nolvadex 1-16 @ 20mg ED, 13-14 being 40mg ED
HCG 3-12 @ 250 iu twice a week

If you have the funds I would bump the sust up to 500 mgs week

Why on earth would you shoot deca EOD?

Originally Posted by Mudge

Why on earth would you shoot deca EOD?

That's exactly what I was wondering. Dude... deca's half life is 15 days. Twice a week injections is the norm, and even once a week is sufficient.

Sust250 twice a week for 500mg/week is good.