Interesting perspective from a 70 year old juicer concerning 17aa...

JerseyDevil · 08-28-2004, 06:54 PM

I found this on another out of the way board... Very interesting account from a guy who is now 70, and still using gear. I took the liberty to fix some of the punctuation.

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I am not saying to do this, but back when dbol was first being used I knew a couple of pros that stayed on high dose dbol for years, all year long, including me. In fact, at that time we used to all go to a doctor that was shooting up all the BBer's in N.Y.C and he would give you a four month prescription for dbol.

I knew a Mr America who was doing large doses of dbol all year round, and he knew of course all the top pros at that time, and they all were doing large doses all year round. He himself did it for many years constantly and he is still alive and well today. All of the hardcore BB'S THAT I WAS TRAINING WITH WHEN I RAN A GYM BACK THEN, WERE ALL DOING AT LEAST 30MG a day steady all year and when gains leveled off, we increased the dosage. It was all year ED, for a few years. I am not saying to do this but I myself have done it and i have saw others do this as well. If I was to die tomorrow, it was not because of dbol usage.

I won't mention names, but the BB we all admire the most, and that whole gang was on high doses, including anadrol, when it first came out then.

**Pirate!** · 08-28-2004, 07:43 PM

Cool, sounds like he is telling me I should do dbol ED for a few years. I'll let you guys know how it goes in four or five years.

Maybe not. Interesting read. Thanks JD.

**Mudge** · 08-28-2004, 07:50 PM

Back then 30mg was a somewhat high dose. As for drol I would not push my luck with 300mg ED for long periods, I ran 200mg ED for a while, 100mg ED wont do hardly anything for me.

Mikhal · 08-28-2004, 07:50 PM

That cat sounds like tha BOM ( Bad Old Man). ha ha ! Once again proof that " Pimp'n ain't dead, Hoes just scared" ha ha Peace n Love

JerseyDevil · 08-29-2004, 06:48 PM

This guy could be full of it... but I don't think so. I have read many of his posts, and he seems authentic.

What was so interesting to me about his post is the fact most people thought the early BB'ing pioneers only used steroids sparingly. 10mg ED of dbol the last few weeks before a contest for example. Now as the veterans get older, we are starting to hear stories of heavier gear use, and year round use of orals. I read somewhere where a guy interviewed Casey Viator (the youngest Mr America), and close friend of Mike Mentzer, and he said they were doing HGH even back then. Not the synthetic stuff, but real HGH from cadavers. He also said Mentzer was doing upwards of 2 grams of deca a week....

Mikhal · 08-29-2004, 07:23 PM

I kinda gotta feel tha cat's flava for real, I'm from tha islands and even as a kid in Jamacia I knew a bunch "Rude Boys" (Gangtas, Tough guys etc) that would always be talk'n bout " Boi root like bannana stump wit dem D balle, don't cha know I'rie. And that shit was like older cats 24,25 yrs or so when I was 10 , I don't ever remember anyone of them ever speak'n of cycles, I do remember those cats were huge and nobody fucked wit em., so if it was like that there, it had to be easy to get, and by it bein kinda a new compound persay at that time nobody really knew. Could be real.One day young cats in tha future gonna be read'n bout tha crazy shit we been doin and trip'n say'n " They was outta their fuck'n minds ". ha ha ha ha! Peace n Love

**Mudge** · 08-29-2004, 08:12 PM

You never really know, but the #1 rule is everyones body is different.

There have been a couple people doing 100mg dbol ED along with 300mg anadrol, along with the rest of their cycle and they come off just fine. I had some issues at 200mg drol + 20mg accutane, so everyone is different. Accutane hit me hard at higher doses though, so the tane itself could have been a large portion of the issue I dont know.

Ciba dbol was famous for working damn well, so 30mg back then was a high dose.

Larry Scott claimed very low doses of dbol but who knows what the truth is.

08-28-2004, 07:50 PM	#3
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Back then 30mg was a somewhat high dose. As for drol I would not push my luck with 300mg ED for long periods, I ran 200mg ED for a while, 100mg ED wont do hardly anything for me.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

08-28-2004, 07:50 PM	#4
Mikhal Jamaican Rude Boy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tha HOOD ! Posts: 798 Photos: 5	That cat sounds like tha BOM ( Bad Old Man). ha ha ! Once again proof that " Pimp'n ain't dead, Hoes just scared" ha ha Peace n Love
	I present you with the gift of my PAIN as I rain down punch after kick after knee after elbow over and over and over again bring excitment to tha very fiber of my DNA, as my ears records tha sounds of bones snap'n and lungs collapse'n ,organs being SLOWLY turned into a very special jelly to tease my taste buds at tha very thought of tha smell of blood that will change tha color of his eyes from white to that glossy delicious deep intestinal red color. This and more I claim from each victim or new toy as I have come to think of them lately.I feel tha power of tha Voodoo all my Jamaican and Zulu forefathers died to keep secret and pass into me. This is my birthright, my gift if you will. I am tha VooDoo child, tha dream and tha nightmare, Tha villian and tha hero,tha bringer and tha destroyer.I am tha unwalkable road,I am tha unswimable ocean, tha unclimbable mountain, tha storm that there is no shelter to protect you from, I am tha final thought. You ask why am I like this...................... Because violence keeps me calm MUTHAFUCKA !!!!! I am tha muthafuck'n Serial Killa and I can smell your blood from here,Too hard for your Momma, Too hip for your Daddy Fuck Milk, Got TREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

08-29-2004, 07:23 PM	#6
Mikhal Jamaican Rude Boy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tha HOOD ! Posts: 798 Photos: 5	I kinda gotta feel tha cat's flava for real, I'm from tha islands and even as a kid in Jamacia I knew a bunch "Rude Boys" (Gangtas, Tough guys etc) that would always be talk'n bout " Boi root like bannana stump wit dem D balle, don't cha know I'rie. And that shit was like older cats 24,25 yrs or so when I was 10 , I don't ever remember anyone of them ever speak'n of cycles, I do remember those cats were huge and nobody fucked wit em., so if it was like that there, it had to be easy to get, and by it bein kinda a new compound persay at that time nobody really knew. Could be real.One day young cats in tha future gonna be read'n bout tha crazy shit we been doin and trip'n say'n " They was outta their fuck'n minds ". ha ha ha ha! Peace n Love
	I present you with the gift of my PAIN as I rain down punch after kick after knee after elbow over and over and over again bring excitment to tha very fiber of my DNA, as my ears records tha sounds of bones snap'n and lungs collapse'n ,organs being SLOWLY turned into a very special jelly to tease my taste buds at tha very thought of tha smell of blood that will change tha color of his eyes from white to that glossy delicious deep intestinal red color. This and more I claim from each victim or new toy as I have come to think of them lately.I feel tha power of tha Voodoo all my Jamaican and Zulu forefathers died to keep secret and pass into me. This is my birthright, my gift if you will. I am tha VooDoo child, tha dream and tha nightmare, Tha villian and tha hero,tha bringer and tha destroyer.I am tha unwalkable road,I am tha unswimable ocean, tha unclimbable mountain, tha storm that there is no shelter to protect you from, I am tha final thought. You ask why am I like this...................... Because violence keeps me calm MUTHAFUCKA !!!!! I am tha muthafuck'n Serial Killa and I can smell your blood from here,Too hard for your Momma, Too hip for your Daddy Fuck Milk, Got TREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

08-29-2004, 08:12 PM	#7
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	You never really know, but the #1 rule is everyones body is different. There have been a couple people doing 100mg dbol ED along with 300mg anadrol, along with the rest of their cycle and they come off just fine. I had some issues at 200mg drol + 20mg accutane, so everyone is different. Accutane hit me hard at higher doses though, so the tane itself could have been a large portion of the issue I dont know. Ciba dbol was famous for working damn well, so 30mg back then was a high dose. Larry Scott claimed very low doses of dbol but who knows what the truth is.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

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08-29-2004, 06:48 PM	#5
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,180	This guy could be full of it... but I don't think so. I have read many of his posts, and he seems authentic. What was so interesting to me about his post is the fact most people thought the early BB'ing pioneers only used steroids sparingly. 10mg ED of dbol the last few weeks before a contest for example. Now as the veterans get older, we are starting to hear stories of heavier gear use, and year round use of orals. I read somewhere where a guy interviewed Casey Viator (the youngest Mr America), and close friend of Mike Mentzer, and he said they were doing HGH even back then. Not the synthetic stuff, but real HGH from cadavers. He also said Mentzer was doing upwards of 2 grams of deca a week....

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