test + andro stack?

Elwood54 · 09-28-2004, 12:25 AM

hey ya'll,

this might be a stupid question, but what do you guys think of a 10 week cycle like this:

300mg cyptest e/w
500mg 1-test e/d (last 4 weeks? - not sure when and how long to start)

pct

week 13-14 40mg nolva ed 14 days
week 15-16 20mg nolva ed 14 days

goal: looking for mostly lean mass, but still wanting to gain mass all around.

i'd really actually like to take 1-test alone, but i came off a cycle of deca only about 4 months ago.

also i'm not quite sure what kind of results 1-test could wield. it'd be my first andro cycle, looking for maybe 8+ lbs of lean mass, not sure if the 1-t could do it alone? (correct me if i'm wrong)

also, could anyone recommend a good example of 1-test? not familiar with the andro supps as i am with the anabolics. i'd be using tren/winny or something else over 1-test but i can't get a hold of any.

any help appreciated, thanks!

**Mudge** · 09-28-2004, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Elwood54

i'd really actually like to take 1-test alone, but i came off a cycle of deca only about 4 months ago.

I dont understand the significance in this

If you seriously want to consider 1-Test or M1T alone though, you would be in the wrong subforum.

Stack test and regular 1-Test? I see no point, M1T works well for some people so I'd consider that long before old 1-T.

Elwood54 · 09-28-2004, 10:15 AM

Quote:

I dont understand the significance in this

well i took deca alone. pct helped but i figure taking test this time around would help more. i had deca dick and still do (just not as bad).

as for m1t, i'd really like to take it but not sure if i should being new to androgenics.

reason i'd like to stack them is to get the lean cutting effect from the 1-t and the bulk from the test, doesn't sound like a good cycle?

LAM · 09-28-2004, 10:46 AM

if I were you I would wait until you were fully recovered (fixing the deca dick) before using anything else...

why in the hell did you do a deca only cycle ? you need to do a LOT more research...

**Mudge** · 09-28-2004, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elwood54

reason i'd like to stack them is to get the lean cutting effect from the 1-t and the bulk from the test, doesn't sound like a good cycle?

Well, 1-T did nothing for me so I'd never consider it. M1T worked ok, but not as well as it had for some other folks I know.

TrojanMan60563 · 09-28-2004, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elwood54

reason i'd like to stack them is to get the lean cutting effect from the 1-t and the bulk from the test, doesn't sound like a good cycle?

Using 1-T specifically for cutting is new to me. Most use it to bulk. 1-TU from Nutrex is a great product.

Your diet is going to determine if your cycle is going to make you lean or bulk up. Granted some steroids are more known to be used during bulking and cutting cycles, but the diet is what makes it all happen.

1-T is mostly used to bulk because it makes you hold water. Hard to cut up if your retaining lots of H2O

Elwood54 · 09-28-2004, 01:31 PM

LAM, i did plenty of research, and i read much about people doing deca only cycles. i didn't want to take test with it, i much dislike water retention. everyone gets deca dick, i knew that going into it, but i had my pct ready.trojanman, i read the sticky about prosteroids and prohormone faq and it gave 1-t as an example for a good cutting supplement. as for the water retention i may get, i'll probably get some otc remedies for that, i have liquidex on hand but i'd rather be using that the next time i start an anabolic cycle.

LAM · 09-28-2004, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elwood54

LAM, i did plenty of research, and i read much about people doing deca only cycles. i didn't want to take test with it, i much dislike water retention. everyone gets deca dick, i knew that going into it, but i had my pct ready.trojanman, i read the sticky about prosteroids and prohormone faq and it gave 1-t as an example for a good cutting supplement. as for the water retention i may get, i'll probably get some otc remedies for that, i have liquidex on hand but i'd rather be using that the next time i start an anabolic cycle.

everyone does not get deca dick, only a percentage of users...

you could have used test prop/deca and arimdex or femera and you wouldn't be in the situation that you are now...

running equipoise by itself is a much better option than a deca only cycle...

**Mudge** · 09-28-2004, 02:23 PM

Deca is great for water retention

and cycles of it alone are pretty rare although I see more NEWBIES trying to revive the movement.

LAM · 09-28-2004, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

Deca is great for water retention

and cycles of it alone are pretty rare although I see more NEWBIES trying to revive the movement.

isn't that shit is a trip !!

deca next to dbol is about the worst for water retention...lol

Tough Old Man · 10-01-2004, 10:56 PM

Hitting the head on the nail. glad i'm no longer running the d-bol with the deca. I live a mile from the ocean and everyday while on the d-bol i had the urge to go beach myself. Thanks to good advise from Mr. lam and Mr. Mudge, dropping the d-bol I don't feel like that whale anymore.

Tribal · 10-02-2004, 08:03 AM

I know bloat is not as bad for some people who take dbol but I have not yet started my cycle. I was wondering what you diet looked like Tough Old Man. also are you using anything like arimidex?

09-28-2004, 12:25 AM	#1
Elwood54 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 33	test + andro stack? hey ya'll, this might be a stupid question, but what do you guys think of a 10 week cycle like this: 300mg cyptest e/w 500mg 1-test e/d (last 4 weeks? - not sure when and how long to start) pct week 13-14 40mg nolva ed 14 days week 15-16 20mg nolva ed 14 days goal: looking for mostly lean mass, but still wanting to gain mass all around. i'd really actually like to take 1-test alone, but i came off a cycle of deca only about 4 months ago. also i'm not quite sure what kind of results 1-test could wield. it'd be my first andro cycle, looking for maybe 8+ lbs of lean mass, not sure if the 1-t could do it alone? (correct me if i'm wrong) also, could anyone recommend a good example of 1-test? not familiar with the andro supps as i am with the anabolics. i'd be using tren/winny or something else over 1-test but i can't get a hold of any. any help appreciated, thanks!

09-28-2004, 10:46 AM	#4
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	if I were you I would wait until you were fully recovered (fixing the deca dick) before using anything else... why in the hell did you do a deca only cycle ? you need to do a LOT more research... Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

09-28-2004, 02:23 PM	#9
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Deca is great for water retention and cycles of it alone are pretty rare although I see more NEWBIES trying to revive the movement. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

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09-28-2004, 01:31 PM	#7
Elwood54 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 33	LAM, i did plenty of research, and i read much about people doing deca only cycles. i didn't want to take test with it, i much dislike water retention. everyone gets deca dick, i knew that going into it, but i had my pct ready.trojanman, i read the sticky about prosteroids and prohormone faq and it gave 1-t as an example for a good cutting supplement. as for the water retention i may get, i'll probably get some otc remedies for that, i have liquidex on hand but i'd rather be using that the next time i start an anabolic cycle.

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Tough Old Man Canine club CEO Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: baja calif, Mexico Posts: 6,933 Photos: 1	Hitting the head on the nail. glad i'm no longer running the d-bol with the deca. I live a mile from the ocean and everyday while on the d-bol i had the urge to go beach myself. Thanks to good advise from Mr. lam and Mr. Mudge, dropping the d-bol I don't feel like that whale anymore.

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Tribal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 145	I know bloat is not as bad for some people who take dbol but I have not yet started my cycle. I was wondering what you diet looked like Tough Old Man. also are you using anything like arimidex?