first cycle

pop · 10-15-2004, 01:23 AM

hey ppl, can i run this first cycle by u and tell me wat u think. week 1-4 d-bol 20mgs week1 test 250, week2 test 250 eq 200, week 3 test 250 eq 200, week4 test 250 eq 200, week 5 test 500, week 6 test 500, week7,test 250 eq 200 ,week 8 test 250 eq 200, week 9 eq 400, week 10 eq 400, week 11 eq 200. hcg week 5 500iu for 3 days, week 12 hcg 500 for 3 days week 13 clomid for 2 weeks nolvadex and letrozole on hand

juggernaut · 10-15-2004, 01:50 PM

sounds expensive; be a winner- say no! to drugs!

LAM · 10-15-2004, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pop

hey ppl, can i run this first cycle by u and tell me wat u think. week 1-4 d-bol 20mgs week1 test 250, week2 test 250 eq 200, week 3 test 250 eq 200, week4 test 250 eq 200, week 5 test 500, week 6 test 500, week7,test 250 eq 200 ,week 8 test 250 eq 200, week 9 eq 400, week 10 eq 400, week 11 eq 200. hcg week 5 500iu for 3 days, week 12 hcg 500 for 3 days week 13 clomid for 2 weeks nolvadex and letrozole on hand

for a 1st cycle depending on your body size I would just run 250-500 mg/wk of test for 10 weeks, that's it. plan and simple, no need to stack the first cycle...

**Mudge** · 10-15-2004, 02:03 PM

No need to taper either.

pop · 10-15-2004, 02:24 PM

215 pounds, start off 250 test weekly then up to 500 meant to be easier for sides tapering.

**Mudge** · 10-15-2004, 03:48 PM

If you are going to get acne or gyno sides, you are going to get it when you scale up anyway. Be prepared for it, thats all you have to do.

juggernaut · 10-15-2004, 07:30 PM

fucking gross.

juggernaut · 10-15-2004, 07:34 PM

seriously, I dunno why you people juice. I jusr dont understand the logic. It's counterproductive for health and what happens if you go off a cycle-doesnt it put you back to where you were before the cycle? I wrestled with the thought of using the stuff, but I cant bring myself to do it. I guess I am not seeing the whole picture. I'm not trying to be judgemental-just curious with the fascination of the shit.

LAM · 10-15-2004, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

It's counterproductive for health and what happens if you go off a cycle-doesnt it put you back to where you were before the cycle?

If that is what you think you have done zero research on the subject. And if you have done research you either haven't done enough or have been reading the wrong information...

Cardinal · 10-15-2004, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

seriously, I dunno why you people juice. I jusr dont understand the logic. It's counterproductive for health and what happens if you go off a cycle-doesnt it put you back to where you were before the cycle? I wrestled with the thought of using the stuff, but I cant bring myself to do it. I guess I am not seeing the whole picture. I'm not trying to be judgemental-just curious with the fascination of the shit.

To answer one question. Gains are very keepable after an androgen cycle. High calories, high protein correct training, anti-estrogen (nolva or clomid) to help restore testosterone, hcg if needed during cycle. You can go off completely and keep gains so long as you are still within your genetic potential (which is higher than most would think).

Only thing that keeps me from using illicit anabolics is just that. They are illicit. Do some research on hormone replacement therapy to understand just oen of the many potential benefits.

juggernaut · 10-15-2004, 08:00 PM

but doesnt it bother you about the health implications? There is so much bad stuff out there about this stuff that I dont see the pros outweighing the cons.

Cardinal · 10-15-2004, 08:12 PM

The problems come in not with their use but with their misuse by the uninformed and abuse by the careless. There is a stigma associated with anabolic steroids that goes back decades. People often fear what they do not understand. Cycles can very definitely be run safely and effectively. At worst many see being able to use steroids as greatly improving their quality of life. Quite an important issue to many.

**Mudge** · 10-15-2004, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

There is so much bad stuff out there about this stuff that I dont see the pros outweighing the cons.

Translation: I hear so many bad things but I haven't done my own research so I wouldn't have a clue if I were being lied to or not, I just believe everything I hear.

**Mudge** · 10-15-2004, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

what happens if you go off a cycle-doesnt it put you back to where you were before the cycle?

If your genetics can't support it then yes, but I highly doubt you are 100% maxed out. So, it is not just to put you beyond a genetic barrier, but to get there faster.

pop · 10-16-2004, 10:48 AM

would sustanon be a better choice than test e to start with.

**Pirate!** · 10-16-2004, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardinal

The problems come in not with their use but with their misuse by the uninformed and abuse by the careless. There is a stigma associated with anabolic steroids that goes back decades. People often fear what they do not understand. Cycles can very definitely be run safely and effectively. At worst many see being able to use steroids as greatly improving their quality of life. Quite an important issue to many.

**Pirate!** · 10-16-2004, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pop

would sustanon be a better choice than test e to start with.

no

pop · 10-16-2004, 11:22 AM

lol, any chance of a bit more info m8 thanks

BUSTINOUT · 10-17-2004, 04:12 PM

Multiple esters are just too damn hard to keep test levels constant pop. Single esters are alot easier to keep things consistant. With all the different half lives of the esters in sust, test levels are all over the place. Keep is simple with single esters.

pop · 10-18-2004, 01:16 AM

thanks bustin .

cman · 10-26-2004, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

Translation: I hear so many bad things but I haven't done my own research so I wouldn't have a clue if I were being lied to or not, I just believe everything I hear.

Good one Mudge!

People were dying from taking metabolife and it scared me cause i was taking it. one to Two pills a day to keep me awake working nights. then met a person taking 12 at a time 2 to 3 times a day.

Use and abuse. big diff

Abusers of anything give out a bad profile.

10-15-2004, 01:23 AM	#1
pop Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 157	first cycle hey ppl, can i run this first cycle by u and tell me wat u think. week 1-4 d-bol 20mgs week1 test 250, week2 test 250 eq 200, week 3 test 250 eq 200, week4 test 250 eq 200, week 5 test 500, week 6 test 500, week7,test 250 eq 200 ,week 8 test 250 eq 200, week 9 eq 400, week 10 eq 400, week 11 eq 200. hcg week 5 500iu for 3 days, week 12 hcg 500 for 3 days week 13 clomid for 2 weeks nolvadex and letrozole on hand
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10-15-2004, 01:50 PM	#2
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,129 Photos: 2	sounds expensive; be a winner- say no! to drugs!
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

10-15-2004, 02:03 PM	#4
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	No need to taper either.
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10-15-2004, 02:24 PM	#5
pop Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 157	215 pounds, start off 250 test weekly then up to 500 meant to be easier for sides tapering.
pop Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 157

10-15-2004, 03:48 PM	#6
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	If you are going to get acne or gyno sides, you are going to get it when you scale up anyway. Be prepared for it, thats all you have to do.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

10-15-2004, 07:30 PM	#7
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,129 Photos: 2	fucking gross.
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

10-15-2004, 07:34 PM	#8
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,129 Photos: 2	seriously, I dunno why you people juice. I jusr dont understand the logic. It's counterproductive for health and what happens if you go off a cycle-doesnt it put you back to where you were before the cycle? I wrestled with the thought of using the stuff, but I cant bring myself to do it. I guess I am not seeing the whole picture. I'm not trying to be judgemental-just curious with the fascination of the shit.
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

10-15-2004, 08:00 PM	#11
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,129 Photos: 2	but doesnt it bother you about the health implications? There is so much bad stuff out there about this stuff that I dont see the pros outweighing the cons.
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

10-15-2004, 08:12 PM	#12
Cardinal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,009	The problems come in not with their use but with their misuse by the uninformed and abuse by the careless. There is a stigma associated with anabolic steroids that goes back decades. People often fear what they do not understand. Cycles can very definitely be run safely and effectively. At worst many see being able to use steroids as greatly improving their quality of life. Quite an important issue to many.

10-16-2004, 10:48 AM	#15
pop Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 157	would sustanon be a better choice than test e to start with.
pop Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 157

10-16-2004, 11:22 AM	#18
pop Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 157	lol, any chance of a bit more info m8 thanks
pop Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 157

10-17-2004, 04:12 PM	#19
BUSTINOUT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,415	Multiple esters are just too damn hard to keep test levels constant pop. Single esters are alot easier to keep things consistant. With all the different half lives of the esters in sust, test levels are all over the place. Keep is simple with single esters.

10-18-2004, 01:16 AM	#20
pop Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 157	thanks bustin .
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