Thread: Planning a first Real Cycle

I would use dbol/enan or dbol/cyp before dbol/sust. IMO sust is way overrated, it's cheap and readily available and that's why a lot of people use it. it's also harder to keep blood level concentrations steady vs using enan or cyp...

Originally Posted by LAM

I would use dbol/enan or dbol/cyp before dbol/sust. IMO sust is way overrated, it's cheap and readily available and that's why a lot of people use it. it's also harder to keep blood level concentrations steady vs using enan or cyp...

I agree with LAM. I used 40mgof dbol and 500mg/week of test E my first cyle which I am still on. I picked on 17lbs in four weeks. Body fat only went from 5% to 6.5%. I have been told be almost every source that dbol/test E is awsome for first time dramatic resluts.

There must be something about the word "Sustanon" that is enticing . Get test enanthate or cyp, do 500 mg/wk (250mg twice a week), and drop the dbol back to 30-35mg a day.

I used 20-30mg m1t ed w/4ad three different times, all with very good results. 30mg of Naposims ed easily surpassed m1t. Don't go overboard on your first cycle.

As far as time btw cycles, is it the same as with ph/ps's? (Being time on including pct = time off)

For generically hoping to recover, yes.

Doing less sustanon waiting for it to "kick in" is backwards thinking. The less you do, the longer it takes for blood levels to build.

This is how and why front loading became popular, and you are doing backwards of that. 40mg of dbol is to me a lot, so you dont have to do less sust just waiting for it to work. 40mg is not a lot for someone who is 280 lean pounds, but for someone who is doing a first cycle its a lot, I dont even use that much.

What would be a safe/low/still effective dosage for dbol then?

20-30 mg/ED for 4 weeks...

Last time I did naposims even a mere 25mg a day works great.

What exactly are naposims? I have seen the term several times, but don't know exactly what it means.

Originally Posted by Purdue Power

What exactly are naposims? I have seen the term several times, but don't know exactly what it means.

Romanian dianabol.

Naposim

What about my pct? Will Nolva be ok or should I run more?

Also, would running Winny for the last two weeks of my Sust be ok to cut minorly and get rid of some of the water retention?

Diet gets you cut and dumps water retention. Winny not being a water gain steroid, is often used in cutting cycles.

I don't know much about the viscosity of various oils, but pinning a cc of sust through a 25 g pin was a real pain yesterday. Too fugin' thick. I finally pulled it out of my glute and stuck my thigh so I could put more pressure on the plunger. You might want to opt for 23 g if you are planning on hitting the glutes. Maybe Organon is thicker than others.

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I don't know much about the viscosity of various oils, but pinning a cc of sust through a 25 g pin was a real pain yesterday. Too fugin' thick. I finally pulled it out of my glute and stuck my thigh so I could put more pressure on the plunger. You might want to opt for 23 g if you are planning on hitting the glutes. Maybe Organon is thicker than others.

Did you warm the oil before injecting?

Originally Posted by redspy

Did you warm the oil before injecting?

No. I will next time, though. Didn't think about that.

What will warming it do?

Originally Posted by lnvanry

What will warming it do?

decrease the viscosity making it easier to push through the pin...

I am still wondering about my pct. Will Nolva alone be enough? Or should I go with Clomid instead. I know about the possible sides of clomid, but I didn't know for sure if it was more effective with a real cycle. Most of my knowledge is based on ph/ps's.

Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I am still wondering about my pct. Will Nolva alone be enough? Or should I go with Clomid instead. I know about the possible sides of clomid, but I didn't know for sure if it was more effective with a real cycle. Most of my knowledge is based on ph/ps's.

the ONLY way to find out which one is better for you is to try nolvadex one time and clomid the next...

Well, I had a lot of success with Nolva after my M1T cycle, and I have been told that that shuts you down worse than about any AAS. So I should just stick with Nolva, huh?

I need have some Arimidex on hand too, shouldn't I?

Would someone only run T3(or like products) on a cutting cycle, or would one be able to run it on a bulking cycle to keep bodyfat down?

Dale Mabry used T3 on a bulker for that reason, I think 25mcg per day but not sure.

Pirate I fill my bathroom sink about 2 inches deep of the hot water. I let my deca and test e stand up in the sink for about a minute while I get the alcohol wipes ready and my syringe and pin ready. Then pull out off the water dry off with towel...swab the top with alcohol pad. Draw desired amount and the switch to a smaller pin and shoot....the warmer oil seems to go in much easier since it thins out the oil....I didn't have problems with the test e but the deca is thick shit...and it really helps.


I am going to start T3 next week and I am currently on a bulking cycle. wanting to only add LBM and so far I have dropped 3% bodyfat in a month. I am hoping to see home great results on while on the 6 weeks of T3. I am going to drop calories quite a bit and jack up on the cardio. I'll let ya know how it works for me.

Originally Posted by Mudge

Dale Mabry used T3 on a bulker for that reason, I think 25mcg per day but not sure.

yup...I use T3 on bulking or cutting cycles. bulking I go from 25-50 mcg/ED and cutting from 50-100 mcg/ED...

Did you get your T3 from IBE?
And what should I do for pct off of the T3?

Originally Posted by Purdue Power

Did you get your T3 from IBE?
And what should I do for pct off of the T3?

nah..I like to use tabs for T3. when you come off T3 some like to use ECA, etc. for several weeks...

What would be a good length to use the T3? And at what point in the cycle should I use it?