The need for high cytomel doses?

Duncans Donuts · 12-25-2004, 04:13 PM

Been doing a lot of research, and I've noted that some people advice going upwards of 160-200 MCG of t3 a day with an AAS.

I was curious for feedback of people who have used it - why exactly is such a ridiculous doseage beneficial? Wouldn't this require a longer, slower tapering up and down phase? Wouldn't this be detrimental to muscle, even on a steroid cycle?

I don't remember who, but I saw someone around here was doing 60 mcg a day, which seems like a more reasonable dose...are higher doses really that much better?

**Mudge** · 12-25-2004, 09:22 PM

I have done 60mcg, I dont remember ever going over 80mcg. I can't say I've heard of 160+ other than my female friend, but thats a damn lot of T3 for sure.

The IP tabs when I used them were 40mcg which isn't a bad dose per pill to work with.

MTN WARRIOR · 12-27-2004, 07:44 AM

Mudge, did you taper up and taper down on t3? HAve liquid t3 and plan on doing 50 mcg for 30 days. In your opinion, what kind of results should I see. I am 5 9 185 lbs with 14% BF. Plan on doing .5 - 1 hour of cardio per day. Protein will 50% of diet. BCAAs and glut (10g/ED) Will be doing a high rep workout with few sets. Will stack it with S1+ (5 sprays 2X per day). For PCT on t3 I will just increase my fish consumption and increase vitamin intake. PCT for S1+ will be 6 OXO for 1 month. Have done M1T multiple times with virtually no sides (up to 20 mg /ED) and did successfull PCT with 6 OXO each time.

**Pirate!** · 12-27-2004, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MTN WARRIOR

For PCT on t3 I will just increase my fish consumption and increase vitamin intake.

How is this pct for T3?

**Mudge** · 12-27-2004, 12:28 PM

I have tapered up and tapered down and the second time I tapered up with no down taper at all, I had no rebound problems. I taper up only to judge side effects, which other than sweating I dont get headaches or anything like that.

Twin Peak · 12-27-2004, 12:34 PM

Less than 100 mcg dose little for me. 150 plus M1T was a nice cutting stack. I actually gained some muscle, which is possible with a stronog androgen since t3 increases protein synthesis.

**Pirate!** · 12-27-2004, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Less than 100 mcg dose little for me. 150 plus M1T was a nice cutting stack. I actually gained some muscle, which is possible with a stronog androgen since t3 increases protein synthesis.

Did you have any problems with blood pressure or lethargy from this stack? How long did you run this? I'm considering doing something similar for about ten days towards the end of my AAS cycle.

MTN WARRIOR · 12-27-2004, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

How is this pct for T3?

Because those are some basic things that are needed to help with thyroid restarting, along with a gugglesterone

Twin Peak · 12-27-2004, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Did you have any problems with blood pressure or lethargy from this stack? How long did you run this? I'm considering doing something similar for about ten days towards the end of my AAS cycle.

Not that was noticable, though I did not monitor BP. Just over two weeks, if I recall correctly, and it was a high dose of M1T.

**Dale Mabry** · 12-27-2004, 10:13 PM

I went up to 75mcg and tapered down. When I start again Jan 3rd I will start at 60mcg and taper only at the end.

I actually got a kick in the pants the last time I stopped T3, I got better visual results and metabolic effects (sweating, lots of energy, etc.) once I came off. From what I have been told the visual effects are typically better a week or 2 after stopping since dosing is cumulative and the effects keep coming days later.

**Pirate!** · 12-27-2004, 11:09 PM

I didn't realize it was cumulative. I suppose that is why people ramp up and taper down so much on it. I've read so many different protocols for T3. I'll just have to see what works for me. Thanks for the input.

**Dale Mabry** · 12-27-2004, 11:10 PM

Just to add, when I tried T3 the first time I figured that a dosage of 60mcg would lead to a blood level of 1000ng/dl with the reference range being 90-180 ng/dl assuming 100% absorption and 6 liters of blood. I read the Cytomel pamphlet and they state that 95% is absorbed, but it must be taken on an empty stomach since a bunch of shit (Iron sulfate and calcium to name a couple) somehow prevent it from being absorbed and would dramatically reduce this number.

Somehow that seems extremely high, but maybe very little of it remains free T3.

topolo · 01-21-2005, 05:52 PM

dale

do you take it once daily? what time?

**Dale Mabry** · 01-21-2005, 06:02 PM

Once daily in the am on an empty stomach, then I eat an hour later.

Vise · 01-22-2005, 04:16 PM

for pct from T3, you can opt to do a week or so of some 7-oxo-DHEA. while this technically slows the recovery of your thyroid, it provides a more gradual transition back to normal. some guggulsterones would do nicely during and after the 7-oxo too.

Twin Peak · 01-22-2005, 04:42 PM

Dale, why not split it up?

12-25-2004, 04:13 PM	#1
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,776 Photos: 2	The need for high cytomel doses? Been doing a lot of research, and I've noted that some people advice going upwards of 160-200 MCG of t3 a day with an AAS. I was curious for feedback of people who have used it - why exactly is such a ridiculous doseage beneficial? Wouldn't this require a longer, slower tapering up and down phase? Wouldn't this be detrimental to muscle, even on a steroid cycle? I don't remember who, but I saw someone around here was doing 60 mcg a day, which seems like a more reasonable dose...are higher doses really that much better? "in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."

12-25-2004, 09:22 PM	#2
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I have done 60mcg, I dont remember ever going over 80mcg. I can't say I've heard of 160+ other than my female friend, but thats a damn lot of T3 for sure. The IP tabs when I used them were 40mcg which isn't a bad dose per pill to work with. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-27-2004, 07:44 AM	#3
MTN WARRIOR HOOAH!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: HOOAHVILLE Posts: 604	Mudge, did you taper up and taper down on t3? HAve liquid t3 and plan on doing 50 mcg for 30 days. In your opinion, what kind of results should I see. I am 5 9 185 lbs with 14% BF. Plan on doing .5 - 1 hour of cardio per day. Protein will 50% of diet. BCAAs and glut (10g/ED) Will be doing a high rep workout with few sets. Will stack it with S1+ (5 sprays 2X per day). For PCT on t3 I will just increase my fish consumption and increase vitamin intake. PCT for S1+ will be 6 OXO for 1 month. Have done M1T multiple times with virtually no sides (up to 20 mg /ED) and did successfull PCT with 6 OXO each time. THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL ME, CERTAINLY MUST MAKE ME STRONGER

12-27-2004, 12:28 PM	#5
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I have tapered up and tapered down and the second time I tapered up with no down taper at all, I had no rebound problems. I taper up only to judge side effects, which other than sweating I dont get headaches or anything like that. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-27-2004, 12:34 PM	#6
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Less than 100 mcg dose little for me. 150 plus M1T was a nice cutting stack. I actually gained some muscle, which is possible with a stronog androgen since t3 increases protein synthesis. www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

12-27-2004, 10:13 PM	#10
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	I went up to 75mcg and tapered down. When I start again Jan 3rd I will start at 60mcg and taper only at the end. I actually got a kick in the pants the last time I stopped T3, I got better visual results and metabolic effects (sweating, lots of energy, etc.) once I came off. From what I have been told the visual effects are typically better a week or 2 after stopping since dosing is cumulative and the effects keep coming days later. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge... Last edited by Dale Mabry : 12-27-2004 at 11:11 PM.

12-27-2004, 11:09 PM	#11
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	I didn't realize it was cumulative. I suppose that is why people ramp up and taper down so much on it. I've read so many different protocols for T3. I'll just have to see what works for me. Thanks for the input.

12-27-2004, 11:10 PM	#12
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	Just to add, when I tried T3 the first time I figured that a dosage of 60mcg would lead to a blood level of 1000ng/dl with the reference range being 90-180 ng/dl assuming 100% absorption and 6 liters of blood. I read the Cytomel pamphlet and they state that 95% is absorbed, but it must be taken on an empty stomach since a bunch of shit (Iron sulfate and calcium to name a couple) somehow prevent it from being absorbed and would dramatically reduce this number. Somehow that seems extremely high, but maybe very little of it remains free T3. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

01-21-2005, 06:02 PM	#14
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	Once daily in the am on an empty stomach, then I eat an hour later. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

01-22-2005, 04:16 PM	#15
Vise thai fighter Join Date: May 2004 Location: NY Posts: 231	for pct from T3, you can opt to do a week or so of some 7-oxo-DHEA. while this technically slows the recovery of your thyroid, it provides a more gradual transition back to normal. some guggulsterones would do nicely during and after the 7-oxo too.

01-22-2005, 04:42 PM	#16
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Dale, why not split it up? www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

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