Thread: To Front Load Or Not To Front Load

I dont front load myself, tried it, see little point in doing so. Maybe 50% extra the first week, no more.

Originally Posted by Mudge

I dont front load myself, tried it, see little point in doing so. Maybe 50% extra the first week, no more.

i have other goodies i could use to maximize my 10 weeks but they are all ph's... would these do any good for the first 2-3 weeks. i already know i'm gonna stretch out the end of cycle (ie. the time between last test e/ eq shot and beginning of pct) with m5aa.

I would keep your first cycle as simple as possible. 10 weeks at 500 mg/wk with 1 cc Sun & 1 cc Thur of each...

personally I would use the M5AA during the last 4-6 weeks of the cycle

Originally Posted by LAM

I would keep your first cycle as simple as possible. 10 weeks at 500 mg/wk with 1 cc Sun & 1 cc Thur of each...

personally I would use the M5AA during the last 4-6 weeks of the cycle

no eq? got my heart set on this stack. j/k
i'm doing this b/c i want to build my body but also for increased athletic capacity. thus, the eq.

1-10 test e 250mg 2x/wk
1-10 eq 200mg 2x/wk
1-10 hcg 250iu 2x/wk
8-12 m5aa 60mg/ED
13-15 nolva 40mg/ED
16 nolva 20mg/ED

I would do:

1-10 test e 250mg 2x/wk
1-10 eq 200mg 2x/wk
1-10 hcg 500iu every 4-5 days
6-10 M5AA 50mg/ED
12-13 nolva 40mg/ED
14-15 nolva 20mg/ED

Originally Posted by LAM

I would do:

1-10 test e 250mg 2x/wk
1-10 eq 200mg 2x/wk
1-10 hcg 500iu every 4-5 days
6-10 M5AA 50mg/ED
12-13 nolva 40mg/ED
14-15 nolva 20mg/ED

fair enough. i'll take your advice with regards to the hcg and the nolva.
but do you see no point to doing the m5aa during the last 3 weeks of injections and the 2 weeks between them and pct? and that 50mg/ED of m5aa... would you break that up or would you just go pre-w/o. i was only considering 20-30mg pre-w/o with concern for raised blood pressure and the other 30-40 split between morning and evening.

I do see the point but the synergisctic effects of M5AA would be better served when androgen levels are higher.

I would break up the dosage evenly of the course of the day. but I'm not really sure what the half-life is of M5AA...

Originally Posted by LAM

I would break up the dosage evenly of the course of the day. but I'm not really sure what the half-life is of M5AA...

ok, which IM'er do you think would know the most about the M5AA?

I think it is 6 hrs or less.

Originally Posted by 19-chief

ok, which IM'er do you think would know the most about the M5AA?

I've seen cyle logs on AM and they suggest it's best to split the dosage throughout the day. I'd say 2-3 x a day should be fine.

I've seen cyle logs on AM and they suggest it's best to split the dosage throughout the day. I'd say 2-3 x a day should be fine.

yeah, i was thinking 3xED.

I think it is 6 hrs or less.

dg, is there any reason for concern in regards to HBP and M5AA before workouts?
is there a reasonble window pre-workout to take, say, 20mg?
if so, will taking hawthorne berry at any particular time help with this?

Originally Posted by 19-chief

yeah, i was thinking 3xED.

dg, is there any reason for concern in regards to HBP and M5AA before workouts?
is there a reasonble window pre-workout to take, say, 20mg?
if so, will taking hawthorne berry at any particular time help with this?

I'm sensitive to PHs/Drugs that can cause HBP (e.g. M1T, Nordiol and Clen) but have no issues when taking M5AA preworkout, even at 40mg.

Originally Posted by redspy

I'm sensitive to PHs/Drugs that can cause HBP (e.g. M1T, Nordiol and Clen) but have no issues when taking M5AA preworkout, even at 40mg.

well then, i'll just have to see how i react then...
i've got a BP/pulse cuff i will be using.

with regards to the M5AA timing, i think i am gonna go weeks 6-11 on it. LAM pointed out that i should use it the last 4-6 weeks of injection, while androgen levels are high. but i feel that during the full week following last t.e./eq injection, levels should still be high enough to have a synergistic effect and help me stretch the cycle one more week. thus, i will run 60mg for 10 days past last shot (sundays & thursdays) and still have 4 days before aggressive research grade nolva PCT.

wouldnt it be better to front load with prop at the same mg you plan to run the cycle with or either use t bol till esters kick in then stop
im asking a question not trying to make a statement

I'm with Mudge-front loading didn't do much for me, either. Nothing wrong with keeping it simple.

I'm suprised nobody here commented on the use of EQ for just 10 weeks. I've always heard that it need to be run much longer due to the long ester and it's slow builidng properties, but has anyone run EQ for 10 weeks with good results.

I would run EQ for at LEAST 12-14 weeks. I may run some for 16 weeks sometime next year. Maybe.

WOW !!!! I remember when this thread was originally posted. Seen some vets like LAM and Red Spy, had a flashback ! LOLOL !

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