Mags

I've been roaming around these forums for a few months now and thankfully you guys have educated me to where I know a little instead of zilch. Taking all your comments on board I thought it wise to go with a cycle of Test Cyp. I'm just asking a few questions to clear up a few queries.

1. I want to run the test at 500mg per week for 10 weeks, this okay?

2. I do know what PCT is and have been engaged in many debates on the usages of clomid, nolva and HCG etc, but many still say just to keep the calories high, take creatine and just use nolva, is this an ample PCT?

3. For wanting to keep as much of my gains as possible, is it a good idea to run HCG at some point during the cycle to halt complete natural test shutdown/suppression?

4. Is it worth taking Dbol for the first four weeks to kick start it?

5. As it's my first cycle, is it best to leave out HCG and Dbol etc and just see how the test on it's own effects me?

6. Is it best to just shoot two 250mgs in the week or just the one 500mg jab?

7. Lastly, if on test cyp by itself, will alcohol consumption be a big danger whilst on a cycle like if on orals?

Mudge, Lam, Pirate, Purdue, Flex, dg806,gopro,P-funk,Young D, gocock and all you others I haven't mentioned, cheers for the continuous help.

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musclepump

I can't answer a lot of those, but I'd go two shots of 250/wk, use HCG on cycle to keep the nuts in check, and for your first cycle only use the Test Cyp. 10 weeks is fine.

And Alcohol, NO!

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Mags

I take it alcohol fucks you up then? Does test damage your organs like orals but at a lesser extent? I guess alcohol only enhances the damage or strain put on the organs during a cycle?

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gococksDJS

10 weeks at 500mg's/ a week is a good choice. Nolva is a good choice for PCT, but don't start your PCT right after your last injection, you'll want to wait 10-14 days until you start PCT. HCG will help stimulate natural test production while on cycle but to much can further suppress your hypothalamus and pituitary making recovery even longer once your off, so 250-500 iu E5D is usually whats reccomended. I plan on starting my HCG either the 2nd or 3rd week. IMO dbol is a great way to kickstart the cycle because it will be a few weeks before you notice the test and with the dbol, you'll start holding water and putting on pounds.

Mudge

Alcohol inhibits protien synthesis and dehydrates you, other than that I would not bank on test raising liver values no.

Many do nolvadex alone PCT just fine, it depends on your body though. Some people dont have testicular atrophy problems, some do just looking at juice/PH, for some like me, it depends what I run and how long/how much.

I am doing bi-weekly shots with 500 test 500 deca (weekly total), but you can do it either way really. Depends how anal you are about blood levels. A steadier blood level may help reduce sides, like acne.

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Tough Old Man

I see that your dosage is down from some of your previuos cycles. Mudge can people still gain if prior dosages were higher. This is probably a stupid ? or you probably would be doing dosages in a higher range. But being fairly new to steroid use i would like to know.

Tha Don

i'd go with 10 weeks of test @ 500mg/week and dbol @ 25mg/ed for first 4 weeks, that is a very good mass building cycle from what i've heard (and this is what i plan to run as my first AS cycle)

on week 13 (2 weeks after your last shots of test) run nolva pct for a month, creatine during pct would also be a good idea IMO

i'd run some HCG mid-cycle to stop getting too heavily shutdown, from what i've heard running HCG is definately worth it... mainly due to the fact that it will minimise any adverse effects from the cycle on natural test production and it will also make recovery from the cycle a lot easier (test levels should come back up much quicker)

Mudge

Add in the Anadrol and I am still doing 1.7 grams of gear weekly, which is hormonally way over natural. I am concerned with long term health so I want to see how far I can go without doing crazy doses, which typically just give me worse sides (BPH and acne).

I like the gains when doing 200mg of drol ED, but my liver doesn't like it, so I can't do that. I would like to run higher doses if it had no cost attached to it, but it does.

I am slightly bigger than I've ever been, and I've never been this strong. So I am still making gains yes.

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Mags

Does the dosages directly affect gains? For example, will 250mg twice aweek not be as effective as one single larger dose of 500mg? So alcohol is just sabotaging the chances of maximum gains as opposed to doing any short term damage as if running orals? I tend to get smashed on my saturday nights but if running test, i'm guessing i'm just halting my potential gains and obviously, if I did run Dbol, I don't think my liver would be overly impressed at all the toxicity. Guess I'll halt on going out on the piss.

Can you guys tell me if this is agood shout:

wk 1-10, test at 250mg twice aweek/500mg once a week
wk 1-4, 25mg Dbol a day
wk 5-7, HCG (not sure on the dosage)
wk 10-16, High calories/Creatine supplementation
wk 12-16, Nolvadex, 10mg ED

Would HCG be best in the middle or at the end of the cycle before Nolvadex.
As you can see, am still rather cloudy at sorting this out. Anyone who can comment or advise me, please do so. Cheers

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gococksDJS

Im not sure how quickly you shut down or are prone to atrophy, but im starting my HCG in week 2 or 3 depending on how I feel and taking it throughout the cycle until week 11.

Mudge

5000iu should last you 5 weeks @ 500iu twice weekly, you'll need slin pins to measure it out.

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dg806

I agree. I don't think more always equals better. I think alot of the times it is what you say-just increased sides. Given proper diet and rest, I think you can still gain, but maybe at a slower rate.

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Mags

So best to start HCG sooner rather than later? I wasn't too keen on continuously injecting throughout the cycle, but I suppose four shots a week isn't that much more than two. Do you take all your shots at one time or have time allowances inbetween e.g.
shot test in the morning, then HCG in the evening? Cheers

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gococksDJS

Time of day does't matter when it comes to shooting, and with the HCG, you will be using much smaller needles and shooting it Sub-Q rather than IM. So if you were going to do both on the same day you could do the test in your glute and then the HCG just below your naval into the fat.

Mags

Does HCG only get injected into the naval? what happens if your not that fat? Okay, i'm not ripped but i'm not 'joe belly', although, there is enough to pinch, that any good? So you guys think best to shot HCG from week 2-3 till week 11. That means i'd be shooting HCG for approx. 8-9 weeks, nearly as long as the test cycle itself, won't this prove detrimental, and end up doing the opposite of keeping my natural test up. I thought you had a type of 'top-up shot' with HCG half way through and toward the end etc. or must it run continuously through the test cycle and into the start of the PCT?

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Tha Don

out of interest what are you running?

gococksDJS

12 weeks of Test E/ EQ with dbol first 4 weeks. I have a journal in the journal forum.