stacking dbol with 1test and 4ad

Tha Don · 02-27-2005, 11:17 AM

firstly will this work?... like is it okay to stack these 3 together? (i know stacking 4ad and md is a no no, so just want to make sure the same dosen't apply to 4ad and dbol)

secondly what would be the best way to run the cycle? i was thinking about this...
dbol 1-4
s1+ 1-6/1-8

or

dbol 3-6
s1+ 1-6

pct will be nolva, will i need any hcg?

Stu · 02-27-2005, 11:53 AM

i dont really know if you need the 4ad on dbol you shouldnt really suffer any lethargy from it. It raises dopamine levels so you shold feel pretty good off it. I guess it depends on how much 1-t your taking. what sort of doses are you looking at?

Tha Don · 02-27-2005, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stu21Ldn

what sort of doses are you looking at?

25mg dbol ed

12 sprays of S1+ ed (so roughly 200mg 1t and 300mg 4ad ed)

Luke8395 · 02-27-2005, 12:04 PM

Dbol will cause lethargy Stu. It will make you sleep more too.

**Pirate!** · 02-27-2005, 12:11 PM

Luke is right.
1-8 S1+
1-4 D-bol 25mg/day spread throught.
If you don't get hcg, your nads might shrink towards the end and the recovery during pct would be a long difficult process. This will be a solid cycle with the HCG for sure. If I did it, I'd use twice that much S1+, but I wouldn't suggest that for you.

Stu · 02-27-2005, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke8395

Dbol will cause lethargy Stu. It will make you sleep more too.

someones been feeding me BS then il take your word on it

Luke8395 · 02-27-2005, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stu21Ldn

someones been feeding me BS then il take your word on it

it'll make you feel like god when you're lifting though. Great pumps, and great confidence(that might be placebic though).

**Mudge** · 02-27-2005, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke8395

Dbol will cause lethargy Stu. It will make you sleep more too.

For a very few genetic weirdos maybe. Anadrol never did that to me, nor did dbol.

Luke8395 · 02-27-2005, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

For a very few genetic weirdos maybe. Anadrol never did that to me, nor did dbol.

I know 2 out of 2 genetic weirdo's then.

**Pirate!** · 02-27-2005, 01:50 PM

It made me sleep more and slightly lethargic. If you have you are taking test, it makes it alright.

Tha Don · 02-27-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Luke is right.
1-8 S1+
1-4 D-bol 25mg/day spread throught.
If you don't get hcg, your nads might shrink towards the end and the recovery during pct would be a long difficult process. This will be a solid cycle with the HCG for sure. If I did it, I'd use twice that much S1+, but I wouldn't suggest that for you.

thanks for that pirate, just what i was looking to hear

i suppose i could use twice the s1+, i have 8 bottles on me lol, but shit that would be a lot of cash to throw at this cycle, and it is only my 2nd cycle, i might up the dose slightly and go through an extra bottle if needed, hopefully most of the gains will come from the dbol though

okay i'll look into getting some hcg shortly (i'm not risking my libdo for anything!), i'll email you about that as i know very little about hcg at this point in time and i'll need some help on the injection process etc

Mags · 02-27-2005, 03:07 PM

Is it worth running Dbol on it's own, (I mean just the single AS) will you get that much gain from just four weeks? I'm guessing the 1-test is also to help keep any gains made yeah? This sounds interesting though pal, keep us posted.

Tha Don · 02-27-2005, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mags

Is it worth running Dbol on it's own, (I mean just the single AS) will you get that much gain from just four weeks? I'm guessing the 1-test is also to help keep any gains made yeah? This sounds interesting though pal, keep us posted.

well originally i wasn't going to run the dbol, it was just going to be a regular 6 week S1+ cycle, but after being so disappointed with the gains from the 1-ad and considering my buddy can get my boxes of russians for next to nothing i thought i might as well add in the dbol to make the cycle more worthwhile and to kickstart the gains

problem with dbol only is that when you come off the dbol you lose your gains (strength and mass) rapidly and therefore overall dbol only cycles are generally considered a waste of time, by running the S1+ for an extra month after coming off the dbol my body is gonna stay in an anabolic state for an extra month, meaning i should easily be able to hang onto the gains from the dbol and then some if things go well!

musclepump · 02-27-2005, 04:40 PM

Using anything outside of 1-AD, 4-AD and M1T I'd use HCG.

Tha Don · 02-27-2005, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musclepump

Using anything outside of 1-AD, 4-AD and M1T I'd use HCG.

i would have thought hcg would be pretty essential for m1t due to the instant shut down that most people report, IF i ever do run m1t (which is unlikely) but if i ever do i will definately run hcg at the start of pct

musclepump · 02-27-2005, 04:54 PM

HCG is run during cycle, and I haven't heard of anyone needing it during M1T; I know I didn't.

gococksDJS · 02-27-2005, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musclepump

HCG is run during cycle, and I haven't heard of anyone needing it during M1T; I know I didn't.

Some people do run HCG with M1T because it shuts you down so fast and hard, but ive never personally tried it with M1T

Mags · 02-28-2005, 09:28 AM

M1T seems to be abit more of a harder oral than I previously thought. I was thinking about running it for a while, but how bad does it shut you down? I know it's classed as an anabolic steroid, but is it that bad that it needs HCG as I thought only harder anabolics (test based injecting cycles etc)used required that, won't 6-OXO or even to further extent Nolva etc be enough. How long do you run M1T for then as most of the bottles say two weeks only- is that really worth it, are you gonna see much gain in that short span? Sorry if this should be in the supplement forum.

musclepump · 02-28-2005, 10:39 AM

I'd go three weeks at 10-15mg. M1T is hard and it shuts you down fast and hard. It's external test which shuts your sack down hard, but I've never heard of shrinkage from it and gyno is very rare.

**Mudge** · 02-28-2005, 11:27 AM

Shrinkage comes from suppression. Some people get hit hard by M1T, I couldn't really comment as I only ran it two weeks, then gave the shit away - TO A WOMAN.

LW83 · 02-28-2005, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

Shrinkage comes from suppression. Some people get hit hard by M1T, I couldn't really comment as I only ran it two weeks, then gave the shit away - TO A WOMAN.

funniest response you've ever posted.

musclepump · 02-28-2005, 11:33 AM

Why would women want to use Test? Shouldn't they hit something mild like primo?

LW83 · 02-28-2005, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musclepump

Why would women want to use Test? Shouldn't they hit something mild like primo?

I know a couple women who have had good luck with 1-t products.

Tha Don · 02-28-2005, 12:58 PM

women taking test? now that is just wrong!

**Mudge** · 02-28-2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musclepump

Why would women want to use Test? Shouldn't they hit something mild like primo?

M1T is not test. Mild? She has done tren and loved it.

Primarily you dont want to take a long ester as a female.

Tha Don · 02-28-2005, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

M1T is not test. Mild? She has done tren and loved it.

Primarily you dont want to take a long ester as a female.

you don't want to take any steroids if your female

women with muscles

**Mudge** · 02-28-2005, 02:24 PM

Some women dont like guys with muscles, that is their opinion and it wont change my lifting or not lifting. Women have every right to lift just as we do.

musclepump · 02-28-2005, 03:10 PM

If they want to buff up, more power to them!

Tha Don · 05-10-2005, 03:01 PM

i started this cycle today

6 weeks/45 days of the following...
25mg dbol ED
200mg 1 Test ED
300mg 4ad ED

should be interesting, main reason i'm running it now is beacuse apparently the dbol i have expires 2006, and i wouldn't want to waste all those dbol tabs would i, same with the S1+ i have... they are just laying around and eventually get chucked if i don't run them, plus it acts as a nice way to test the water before i jump in on my longer cycle later this year

also i'm reading flex's book right now 'flex ability' and it has really encouraged me to start juicing! lol, how bad is that! but no.. its a good book and don't worry i won't by cycling dbol and deca continously for 2 decades!

i'll keep you guys updated on how this goes

02-27-2005, 11:17 AM	#1
Tha Don Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nottingham, England Posts: 3,826 Photos: 33	stacking dbol with 1test and 4ad BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com firstly will this work?... like is it okay to stack these 3 together? (i know stacking 4ad and md is a no no, so just want to make sure the same dosen't apply to 4ad and dbol) secondly what would be the best way to run the cycle? i was thinking about this... dbol 1-4 s1+ 1-6/1-8 or dbol 3-6 s1+ 1-6 pct will be nolva, will i need any hcg?

02-27-2005, 11:53 AM	#2
Stu cooking up a storm Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,859 Photos: 1	i dont really know if you need the 4ad on dbol you shouldnt really suffer any lethargy from it. It raises dopamine levels so you shold feel pretty good off it. I guess it depends on how much 1-t your taking. what sort of doses are you looking at?
	Uk bodybuilding

02-27-2005, 03:07 PM	#12
Mags We ate the toys eddie! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: East London, UK Posts: 882 Photos: 8	Is it worth running Dbol on it's own, (I mean just the single AS) will you get that much gain from just four weeks? I'm guessing the 1-test is also to help keep any gains made yeah? This sounds interesting though pal, keep us posted.
	BUILD IT, AND THEY WILL COME. THE ONLY TIME SUCCESS COMES BEFORE WORK IS IN THE DICTIONARY. DO OR DO NOT - THERE IS NO TRY.

02-27-2005, 04:40 PM	#14
musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,664 Photos: 128	Using anything outside of 1-AD, 4-AD and M1T I'd use HCG.
	Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

02-27-2005, 04:54 PM	#16
musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,664 Photos: 128	HCG is run during cycle, and I haven't heard of anyone needing it during M1T; I know I didn't.
	Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

02-27-2005, 12:04 PM	#4
Luke8395 Rock da beat Move yerfeet Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 386 Photos: 1	Dbol will cause lethargy Stu. It will make you sleep more too.

02-28-2005, 09:28 AM	#18
Mags We ate the toys eddie! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: East London, UK Posts: 882 Photos: 8	M1T seems to be abit more of a harder oral than I previously thought. I was thinking about running it for a while, but how bad does it shut you down? I know it's classed as an anabolic steroid, but is it that bad that it needs HCG as I thought only harder anabolics (test based injecting cycles etc)used required that, won't 6-OXO or even to further extent Nolva etc be enough. How long do you run M1T for then as most of the bottles say two weeks only- is that really worth it, are you gonna see much gain in that short span? Sorry if this should be in the supplement forum.
	BUILD IT, AND THEY WILL COME. THE ONLY TIME SUCCESS COMES BEFORE WORK IS IN THE DICTIONARY. DO OR DO NOT - THERE IS NO TRY.

02-28-2005, 10:39 AM	#19
musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,664 Photos: 128	I'd go three weeks at 10-15mg. M1T is hard and it shuts you down fast and hard. It's external test which shuts your sack down hard, but I've never heard of shrinkage from it and gyno is very rare.
	Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

02-28-2005, 11:27 AM	#20
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,966 Photos: 1	Shrinkage comes from suppression. Some people get hit hard by M1T, I couldn't really comment as I only ran it two weeks, then gave the shit away - TO A WOMAN.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

02-28-2005, 11:33 AM	#22
musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,664 Photos: 128	Why would women want to use Test? Shouldn't they hit something mild like primo?
	Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

02-28-2005, 12:58 PM	#24
Tha Don Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nottingham, England Posts: 3,826 Photos: 33	women taking test? now that is just wrong!

02-28-2005, 02:24 PM	#27
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,966 Photos: 1	Some women dont like guys with muscles, that is their opinion and it wont change my lifting or not lifting. Women have every right to lift just as we do.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

02-28-2005, 03:10 PM	#28
musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,664 Photos: 128	If they want to buff up, more power to them!
	Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

05-10-2005, 03:01 PM	#29
Tha Don Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nottingham, England Posts: 3,826 Photos: 33	i started this cycle today 6 weeks/45 days of the following... 25mg dbol ED 200mg 1 Test ED 300mg 4ad ED should be interesting, main reason i'm running it now is beacuse apparently the dbol i have expires 2006, and i wouldn't want to waste all those dbol tabs would i, same with the S1+ i have... they are just laying around and eventually get chucked if i don't run them, plus it acts as a nice way to test the water before i jump in on my longer cycle later this year also i'm reading flex's book right now 'flex ability' and it has really encouraged me to start juicing! lol, how bad is that! but no.. its a good book and don't worry i won't by cycling dbol and deca continously for 2 decades! i'll keep you guys updated on how this goes