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    Is it safe? Anything I need to know before signing up? I don't really know how it works. Opinion and advice appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JollyJuicer
    I finally was notified via email that my e-gold had been funded, was fixing to place order for "something". Anyways, the exchanger (cambist.net) funded the wrong account, not mine and when I contacted the guy I had been dealing with at cambist, he told me there was nothing he could do and had an attitude during our conversation.

    Of course he says he didnt make a mistake, that it was I that did. I dont believe so but it's a possibility I suppose?

    So has anyone ever been through something similar with e-gold and how was it resolved if you did? I need a quick fix because this guy may just notice he has $xxxx extra in his account and decide to go shopping!

    any help would be appreciated - yeah it sucks to be me right now


    btw, nobody is available to speak with at e-gold
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    What's e-gold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mags
    What's e-gold?
    it's an electronic payment system, sort of like Western Union, but with accounts.

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    Not for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateFromHell
    Not for me.
    Im not exactly sure how it works, all I know is that it's a form of payment.

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    Yo Mudge, whats your posting name over there? Or do you just lurk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudge
    On Steroidology my name is the same.
    oh, my bad. I saw that same post on anabolicboard by that guy and thought you were over there too.

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    Yes!!

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    After being raided, perhaps.
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    Egold Raided By SS & FBI
    Here is a recent story from the online edition of Business Week, a major
    U.S. weekly business publicatication. The article is posted to their
    online subscribers prior to magazine publication, so it is dated January
    9, 2006

    JANUARY 9, 2006

    INVESTIGATIVE REPORT

    Gold Rush

    Online payment systems like e-gold Ltd. are becoming the currency of
    choice for cybercrooks
    Crime courses through the internet in ever-expanding variety. Hackers
    brazenly hawk stolen bank and credit-card information. Pornographers
    peddle pictures of little boys and girls. Money launderers make illicit
    cash disappear in a maze of online accounts. Diverse as they are, many of
    these cybercriminals have something important in common: e-gold Ltd.
    E-gold is a "digital currency." Opening an account at www.e-gold.com takes
    only a few clicks of a mouse. Customers can use a false name if they like
    because no one checks. With a credit card or wire transfer, a user buys
    units of e-gold. Those units can then be transferred with a few more
    clicks to anyone else with an e-gold account. For the recipient, cashing
    out -- changing e-gold back to regular money -- is just as convenient and
    often just as anonymous.
    E-gold appeals to "gold bugs": people who invest in the precious metal and
    believe money ought to be anchored to it. E-gold boasts that its digital
    currency is backed by a stash of gold bars stored in London and Dubai. But
    e-gold also appeals to savvy online crooks who want to move money quickly
    and without detection. American banks and conventional cash transmitters
    like Western Union are legally required to monitor customers and report
    su****ious transactions to the government. E-gold seems to go out of its
    way to avoid such obligations. Its operations are in Florida, but in 2000,
    its principals registered the company in the lightly regulated Caribbean
    haven of Nevis.

    Law enforcement officials worry that the little-known digital currency
    industry is becoming the money laundering machine of choice for
    cybercriminals. On the evening of Dec. 19, agents with the Federal Bureau
    of Investigation and Secret Service raided the Melbourne (Fla.) office of
    e-gold's parent company, Gold & Silver Reserve Inc., and the nearby home
    of its founder, Douglas L. Jackson. Agents copied documents and computer
    files, but so far no charges have been brought. The Secret Service and the
    FBI declined to comment on the raid. Jackson has denied any wrongdoing,
    though the raid isn't the first indication that federal investigators view
    e-gold as a magnet for online misdeeds. The FBI separately is pursuing
    about a dozen probes in which e-gold appears as a "common denominator," a
    senior agent says.
    The potential danger goes beyond e-gold. Investigators say other digital
    currencies are similarly used for corrupt purposes. All told, there are at
    least a dozen such services worldwide, based in places like Russia and
    Panama. Eight of them, including e-gold, claim to be backed by actual
    bullion. As a group, these firms do billions of dollars a year in
    transactions, according to Jim Davidson, a spokesman for the Global
    Digital Currency Assn. in New York. E-gold and its rivals make money by
    charging small percentage fees on those transactions.
    Most of the law enforcement interest in e-gold involves alleged fraud and
    money laundering by its users. A tour of some outlaw corners of the
    Internet illustrates why. One Web site called CC-cards -- where
    cyberthieves sell pilfered bank account and credit-card information --
    often asks for payment via e-gold. Some sites pushing child pornography
    have dropped Visa and MasterCard recently in favor of e-gold, according to
    the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, which tracks
    underage porn.

    SUBPOENA CENTRAL
    The man behinD e-gold, Doug Jackson, is a tall, powerfully built former
    oncologist. A fan of the gold standard, Jackson, 49, became a pioneer in
    digital currency when he set out a decade ago to create what he describes
    as a private gold-based monetary system. He envisioned e-gold as a
    currency that would be accepted at Wal-Mart () while also permitting
    peasants from China to Peru to offer products at stable prices. "I thought
    there would be this flock of e-gold users, and I would be their messiah,"
    he says. "It just didn't happen."

    What did happen, according to law enforcement officials, was that a pack
    of felons flocked to Jackson's brainchild. Sitting in an undecorated
    conference room in the Melbourne office three months before the federal
    raid, he acknowledged that he had a "six-inch pile" of subpoenas from such
    agencies as the FBI, the Securities & Exchange Commission, and the U.S.
    Postal Inspection Service -- all seeking information about some of his
    more suspect customers. Investigators say Jackson may have begun his
    quirky business with innocent intentions. But in recent years he has
    turned a blind eye, the officials say, to mounting evidence that e-gold
    has attracted a seamy clientele. The federal raid suggests that agents are
    intensifying their focus on e-gold and its potential criminal liability.
    Jackson didn't respond to messages after the raid. But earlier, he denied
    vehemently that he has looked away from crime. He said he responds as
    quickly as possible to official inquiries. He acknowledged, though, that
    his staff of 15 includes only one in-house investigator who struggles to
    keep up with all those subpoenas. E-gold has about 1.2 million funded
    accounts through which transactions worth $1.5 billion were conducted in
    2005, he says. As for the idea that he should systematically monitor
    customer identities and money flows, he argues that's not his job: "We
    don't validate because we're unlike any other system."

    Federal officials reluctantly confirm this loophole: E-gold and other
    digital currencies don't neatly fit the definition of financial
    institutions covered by existing self-monitoring rules established under
    the Bank Secrecy Act and USA Patriot Act. "It's not like it's regulated by
    someone else; it's not regulated," says Mark Rasch, senior vice-president
    of the Internet security firm Solutionary Inc. and former head of the
    Justice Dept.'s computer crime unit. The Treasury Dept.'s Financial Crimes
    Enforcement Network (FinCEN) is studying ways to close the regulatory gap.
    Meanwhile, U.S. officials say e-gold and similar companies should
    voluntarily do more to deter crime.
    Started in 1996, e-gold was part of an early wave of Internet payment
    systems that converted conventional money into a Web currency. Most of
    those pioneers soon flopped, because consumers resisted paying fees to get
    Web cash. Others, such as PayPal, now a unit of online auction giant eBay
    Inc. (), evolved into credit-card processing services.
    E-gold and a handful of rivals, including one called GoldMoney, were
    different. Their founders believed that tying monetary exchange to a
    strict gold standard would achieve greater economic stability. The
    Internet provided a ready venue for gold bugs the same way that it offered
    a soapbox to adherents of every other strain of thought. Jackson, an Army
    veteran and a graduate of Pennsylvania State University's medical school,
    was practicing oncology in Melbourne in the mid-1990s when he began
    reading about libertarianism and monetary theory. The married father of
    two adopted boys began to change his thinking. He scoured the works of
    libertarian novelist and philosopher Ayn Rand and was impressed by
    economist Friedrich A. Hayek's The Road to Serfdom, an influential 1944
    condemnation of government control of the economy. "It looked like a lot
    of the suffering of recent centuries -- some of the scale of wars, some of
    the economic dislocations -- could be traced back to credit cycles. And
    credit cycles could be traced back to monetary manipulation" by
    governments, Jackson says. "I was very moved by it."

    INTELLECTUAL CONVERSION
    Gold, he concluded, was the cure. The U.S. stopped tying the dollar to a
    fixed amount of gold in 1971. But Jackson and a friend, attorney Barry K.
    Downey, decided to start what amounted to their own gold-backed currency.
    Jackson liquidated retirement accounts and sold his medical practice to
    help raise an initial $900,000. A former colleague noticed him working on
    computer code around the clock at his stand-up doctor's desk. He often
    forgot to eat and lost weight. Along the way, he stopped attending church.
    Jackson confirms all this but stresses that he continued to provide
    excellent care for his patients until he bowed out of medicine completely
    in 1998.
    In a series of interviews with Jackson, his statements about e-gold swing
    from grandiose to resigned. "We want e-gold to be recognized as a
    privately issued currency and to be treated as a foreign currency" by the
    U.S. and other governments, he says at one point. But e-gold's offices
    don't conjure up images of a grand central bank. Jackson, who during one
    interview wore neatly pressed slacks and a yellow-striped shirt, runs his
    currency from a Spartan suite on the third floor of a Bank of America ()
    building.
    Online currencies are patronized by software companies and other small
    businesses. Jackson says that the fees he charges customers -- for
    converting real money to e-gold, administering accounts, and doing
    transfers -- generated about $2 million in revenue in 2005 for e-gold's
    parent company, Gold & Silver Reserve, which he also controls. The
    operation turns a profit, he adds, but he won't say how much ().
    Mark Jeftovic considers himself a big fan of digital currencies -- but one
    now skeptical about e-gold. The founder of easyDNS Technologies Inc., an
    Internet domain name registrar in Toronto, he started accepting e-gold as
    payment in 2003. Jeftovic believes that digital currencies will minimize
    the harm of government-induced inflation. But in early 2005, investigators
    from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police visited easyDNS seeking information
    about cybercriminals allegedly using the registrar's services. It turned
    out that some of the suspects had paid Jeftovic's company via e-gold, he
    says. Angered by the police scrutiny, Jeftovic now plans to offer rival
    digital currency GoldMoney in addition to e-gold. "I like the digital
    currency and e-gold economy, and I want to support it," he says. "But you
    have to run a cleaner shop than this."
    The RCMP didn't respond to requests for comment. Jackson says he wasn't
    aware of Jeftovic's concerns or the RCMP investigation. He says that
    e-gold responds as quickly as possible to inquiries from law enforcement
    agencies and readily provides them with user names, account numbers, and
    transaction histories.
    A number of gold buffs and some law enforcement officials see GoldMoney as
    a reputable alternative in the digital currency field. Based in the
    British Channel island of Jersey, GoldMoney is run by James Turk, a
    precious metals trader and former Chase Manhattan banker. He says that his
    company requires new customers to mail in copies of identity documents and
    then checks the data against lists of suspected terrorists and money
    launderers. The accounting giant Deloitte & Touche annually audits its
    gold holdings and security measures.
    E-gold's Jackson says those steps are expensive and unnecessary. OmniPay,
    an affiliate of e-gold, is one of more than a dozen "digital currency
    exchange agents" that handle the conversion of conventional currency into
    e-gold. Jackson says that to authenticate users' identities, OmniPay sends
    them a special code via e-mail and conventional mail. But users aren't
    required to prove their identity, so it isn't clear what this
    accomplishes. Jackson says that his lone in-house investigator looks for
    obvious fraud, such as a customer using "China" as his only address.

    Jackson has made no secret of his desire to avoid U.S. government
    scrutiny. In 2000, he and his partner Downey registered e-gold Ltd. in
    Nevis, hoping the maneuver would add another layer of insulation from U.S.
    regulation. Jackson concedes that e-gold has existed in Nevis only as "a
    piece of paper." Its parent administers e-gold services from the Melbourne
    office; the operation's computer servers are in Orlando. Jackson says he
    chose the tiny island because registration there is inexpensive, and the
    government follows well-established British commercial law. Nevis is also
    known for lax financial regulation. Referring to his desire to create
    legal distance from U.S. officials, Jackson says: "There's an element of
    good fences make good neighbors."

    On Dec. 5, two weeks before the federal raid in Melbourne, the Nevis
    Financial Services Regulation & Supervision Dept. posted a notice on its
    Web site that e-gold had disseminated "misleading information" about its
    legal status. Nevis officials say that the company was removed from the
    island's corporate registry in July, 2003, for failure to pay the annual
    registration fee of $220. Jackson didn't respond to questions about this.

    Back in the U.S., e-gold has tried to shield itself semantically, avoiding
    basic banking terms such as "deposit" and "withdrawal" that could increase
    its risk of being categorized as a regulated financial institution. E-gold
    calls such transactions "in-exchange" and "out-exchange." Jackson says:
    "It's not a desire to be tricky. It's a desire to be accurate. It's
    important not to be misconstrued as a bank."

    Whatever its legal status, e-gold's usefulness to scam artists was
    colorfully illustrated by E-Biz Ventures, which allegedly portrayed itself
    as a Christian-influenced organization that offered investors returns as
    high as 100%. E-Biz' proprietor, Donald A. English of Midwest City, Okla.,
    allegedly highlighted his reliance on e-gold to appeal to victims' fear of
    the federal government and their desire for anonymity. E-Biz investors
    opened e-gold accounts and transferred funds to accounts controlled by
    English. He shifted e-gold among more than 25,000 accounts, using new
    investors' money to pay off some older ones. The scam took in $50 million
    before the SEC shut it down in 2001. Investors lost $8.8 million. Later
    prosecuted in federal court in Oklahoma City, English pled guilty to wire
    fraud and last May was sentenced to five years in prison.

    Evidence of e-gold's suspect following is found on numerous Web sites. A
    contributor to Cannabis Edge, a site for marijuana growers, has provided
    advice on how to employ e-gold and two other digital currencies --
    WebMoney and NetPay -- to hide illicit proceeds "beyond the reach of U.S.
    pigs." E-gold in particular "has strong security," is "easy to use, and is
    anonymous," said the writer, who used the name Bill Shakespeare.
    (Moscow-based WebMoney and NetPay, which is based in Panama City, Panama,
    both deny any wrongdoing.)
    In addition to its abundant offerings of stolen financial data -- with
    payment frequently sought via e-gold -- the site CC-cards carried a
    message in November from a hacker using the name HellStorm. He advertised
    that for a 5% fee, he would set up and fund e-gold accounts for those who
    are in a hurry to do business and want to shield their identity. Users of
    CC-cards can make donations for the upkeep of the site by clicking on a
    link that connects to an e-gold account. (E-mails seeking comment from
    CC-cards and Cannabis Edge weren't answered.)

    The danger of Web sites like CC-cards that are fueled in part by e-gold
    became very apparent to Kimberly S. Troyer. Her identity went up for sale
    there last September. Among the 22 items CC-cards put on the block: her
    checking account number at Bank One (), driver's license number, Social
    Security number, birth date, and mother's maiden name. The price for all
    that: $30 of e-gold. Informed of the offer by BusinessWeek in December,
    Troyer, a 33-year-old accounting student at Davenport College in South
    Bend, Ind., is changing all of her identity documents. She believes she
    escaped without losing any money. But someone hijacked her e-Bay account
    and changed the address to one in China so that it could receive payments
    from the sale of iPods Troyer didn't own. "It makes me sick to my
    stomach," she says. Jackson says e-gold can't do much about such cases
    until he's formally alerted by the government.


    There is one crime, however, to which Jackson has reacted more
    aggressively: child pornography. In August, he attended a conference in
    Alexandria, Va., organized by the National Center for Missing & Exploited
    Children. The center is trying to enlist banks and credit-card companies
    in a crackdown on payment schemes used by child porn Web sites. "There are
    fewer and fewer sites with Visa -- and more and more with e-gold," says
    the center's chief executive, Ernest E. Allen. The center has a policy of
    not publicly identifying child porn sites it tracks. Jackson says he was
    appalled to find e-gold on the list of institutions used by the porn
    sites. He provided the center with instructions on how to seek e-gold
    records, and the group says it is pleased with e-gold's cooperation.

    TERROR TOOL?

    Before the recent raid, Jackson said that responding to subpoenas and
    other government inquiries has been distracting and expensive. Although he
    emphasized that e-gold isn't obliged to monitor its clientele, he said
    that he could have paid more attention to vetting account holders were it
    not for the outside interruptions. He added that he plans to switch from
    an account-based log-in system to a user-based one to monitor customers
    more closely.

    The worst-case scenario, so far undetected by officials, would be the use
    of e-gold by financiers of terrorism. Experts on terrorism funding note
    that digital currencies resemble the money-changing system known as
    hawala, which Middle Eastern terrorists have used. A customer gives money
    to a hawala service, which then telephones a similar service in another
    city or country that doles out money to a designated recipient. Many
    hawala outfits have been shut down since September 11, making digital
    currencies a logical next step, says Phil Williams, a professor of
    international affairs at the University of Pittsburgh and consultant to
    the United Nations on terrorism financing. "At some point, this is going
    to be used" by terrorists, Williams says.


    Jackson scoffs at this notion. "We are not bad guys, and the e-gold system
    simply does not pose an undue risk for usage for terrorist purposes," he
    wrote in an e-mail on Jan. 20, 2005, to AUSTRAC, Australia's
    anti-money-laundering regulator, which was looking generally into
    potential terrorist use of digital currency.

    But e-gold attorney Fuerst said in early December that the company quickly
    complied with requests in 2005 from Russian law enforcement and the FBI
    for records connected to a would-be terrorist in Russia. This person
    allegedly threatened to "blow something up," Fuerst said, unless a ransom
    was paid into his e-gold account. The FBI and the Russian Interior
    Ministry declined to comment.

    This month's raid could signal serious trouble for e-gold. But cybercrime
    experts predict that if the company falters, nefarious business will
    simply transfer to other digital currencies, especially ones based in
    countries that have lax law enforcement. Amir Orad, executive
    vice-president of cybersecurity firm Cyota, says that putting e-gold out
    of business "would not stop anything."
    ( this story has been editied to fit the forum)

    By Brian Grow, with John Cady, Susann Rutledge, and David Polek in New York
    Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

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