Genetical Steroids

Mags · 03-04-2005, 08:20 AM

there's alot of talk about cells and stuff, whoa, i'm back in biology class. Interesting stuff. Gocock, are you some kinda med student or summin? Your rolling out allsorts of technical terms

Mags · 03-04-2005, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SlimShady

Steroid use has been known to cause users to have children who have tiny geneticals.

Damn, my old man must've taken loads of gear for years!

brodus · 03-04-2005, 11:32 AM

I'm not against steroids, per se, but if steroids don't have any propensity to cause mutations and growths, why do we take anti-breast cancer drugs and anti-prostate cancer drugs as ancillaries?

If the answer is "to combat unbalanced hormone levels, not cancer," and we have studies that prove that elevation of certain hormones causes (or triggers) cancers, then again, we've proven my point.

All of which is not a platform for banning steroids or saying that they's make mutant babies.

I just think we need to be honest about both sides of the coin.

It's like hunter's saying they only hunt to commune with nature. Give me a break. Who comes back to the hunting cabin with a story about watching butterflies in the fading sunlight...

thatguy · 03-04-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by brodus

I'm not against steroids, per se, but if steroids don't have any propensity to cause mutations and growths, why do we take anti-breast cancer drugs and anti-prostate cancer drugs as ancillaries?

If the answer is "to combat unbalanced hormone levels, not cancer," and we have studies that prove that elevation of certain hormones causes (or triggers) cancers, then again, we've proven my point.

All of which is not a platform for banning steroids or saying that they's make mutant babies.

I just think we need to be honest about both sides of the coin.

It's like hunter's saying they only hunt to commune with nature. Give me a break. Who comes back to the hunting cabin with a story about watching butterflies in the fading sunlight...

You're trying to change the entire subject of the thread. The question is not "does steroids cause cancer," i.e. genetic mutations. We all already know the answer to that question. The question was "can the effects of steroids be transferred to offspring through genetics" and the answer is no. I don't know if you lost focus of the point of this entire thread, or if you are retreating to a well-known fact of steroids (it causes cancer & genetic mutations) so you don't look as wrong about your previous comments.

gococksDJS · 03-04-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mags

there's alot of talk about cells and stuff, whoa, i'm back in biology class. Interesting stuff. Gocock, are you some kinda med student or summin? Your rolling out allsorts of technical terms

Im not going to medschool, but I take the same classes as a premed because im a chemistry major, so ive also had to take a lot of anatomy, physiology, and biology classes.

APG · 03-04-2005, 01:40 PM

gococksDJS why havent you got any pics up? You seem to have good knowledge on a range of questions on the board would be nice to see your results

gococksDJS · 03-04-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by APG

gococksDJS why havent you got any pics up? You seem to have good knowledge on a range of questions on the board would be nice to see your results

I will have my pre-cycle and 16 days in photos up this week. If you look at my journal, you'll see ive been way to busy with school to learn how to work my digital camera

APG · 03-04-2005, 01:47 PM

Will have a look at your journal

brodus · 03-04-2005, 02:43 PM

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You're trying to change the entire subject of the thread.

Sorry if it appears this way. I'm as interested as anyone. I looked through 250+ research articles, and can't find anything one way or the other. As I said in my first post:

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There are some things bodybuilders take that may effect your genes, but steroids will not 99.9% of them time, and never on their own.

Uncouplers might, IGF-1 derivatives might, as well as designer peptides and protoglandins.

BTW, living near power lines/power plants can alter your genes, too.

I later stated:

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I find it hard to believe that doing a lot of anything for a long time wouldn't effect you on a gene transcription/replication level at some point.

As more of a rhetorical question than anything. I'm serious about that. There are no studies of genetic changes in long-time, high-dose steroid users (and people who have ONLY used anabolics, and not also insulin, GH, IGF, uncouplers, anti-estrogens, stimulants, dieuretics and anti-coagulants, etc...).

Theoretically, to my mind, long-term, high-dose use of something that requires anti-cancer drugs to be used safely might, might have some deleterious effect on your genes, and until I can find a study proving otherwise, I'm entitled to this doubt.

**Pirate!** · 03-04-2005, 06:04 PM

This is one of the most interesting discussions I've read in this forum in some time. Having watched The Incredible Hulk while growing up, I'm inclined to believe that steroids make you huge, mean, and green. Imagine your wife having to give birth to such a mutant. Maybe you would luck-out and your kid would be more like one of the X-Men.

gococksDJS · 03-04-2005, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

This is one of the most interesting discussions I've read in this forum in some time. Having watched The Incredible Hulk while growing up, I'm inclined to believe that steroids make you huge, mean, and green. Imagine your wife having to give birth to such a mutant. Maybe you would luck-out and your kid would be more like one of the X-Men.

You ever seen Mall Rats when Brody says "I bet superman blows a load like a shotgun right through her back......and the kid would kick right through her stomach"

**Pirate!** · 03-04-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

You ever seen Mall Rats when Brody says "I bet superman blows a load like a shotgun right through her back......and the kid would kick right through her stomach"

I'm not familiar with Mall Rats, but I'd like to be. Is that a cartoon?

gococksDJS · 03-04-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I'm not familiar with Mall Rats, but I'd like to be. Is that a cartoon?

It's one of those movies from the 90's with Jay and Silent Bob. I think they are funny as shit.

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