Genetical Steroids

XcelKrush · 03-02-2005, 01:45 PM

Can the effects of steroids be passed on to your children?

thatguy · 03-02-2005, 02:04 PM

First of all, "genetical" is not a word.

Second of all, no, steroids (or any other product for that matter) does not change your genetic makeup in any way, and therefore cannot be passed on genetically to your offspring.

However, if your wife is pregnant and taking steroids, obviously that would create some serious developmental problems. Also, if your wife is pregnant, stay far away from transdermals as she could inadvertantly be affected by those through bedsheets, rubbing up against you, etc.

thatguy · 03-02-2005, 02:05 PM

BTW, I know you're 15 and don't have a wife - when I said "your wife" I meant it hypothetically.

XcelKrush · 03-02-2005, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thatguy

BTW, I know you're 15 and don't have a wife - when I said "your wife" I meant it hypothetically.

16

I was just hoping because my dad took some "special supplements" while he was on the Seal Teams.

BTW Genetical is a word.

thatguy · 03-02-2005, 02:41 PM

Well, I've never heard it if it is, and I've been studying that kind of stuff for a while. "Genetic" is usually used.

XcelKrush · 03-02-2005, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thatguy

Well, I've never heard it if it is, and I've been studying that kind of stuff for a while. "Genetic" is usually used.

Yeah, but that wasn't cool enough for me so I had to use "Genetical"

largepkg · 03-02-2005, 02:59 PM

genetical

adj : of or relating to the science of genetics; "genetic research" [syn: genetic]

**Mudge** · 03-02-2005, 03:34 PM

Steroids don't modify genes.

DOMS · 03-02-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by XcelKrush

16

I was just hoping because my dad took some "special supplements" while he was on the Seal Teams.

BTW Genetical is a word.

It sure is a real word. See, I'll use it in a sentence: "I frequently scratch my geneticals".

On topic, I do remember reading an article that indicated that steroids did have an effect on children. Then again, it might have propaganda.

XcelKrush · 03-02-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Steroids don't modify genes.

Yeah but alot of substances can damage them.

SlimShady · 03-02-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cfs3

It sure is a real word. See, I'll use it in a sentence: "I frequently scratch my geneticals".

Steroid use has been known to cause users to have children who have tiny geneticals.

topolo · 03-02-2005, 04:31 PM

I once spilled bleach on my genes.

DDan16 · 03-02-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by thatguy

Second of all, no, steroids (or any other product for that matter) does not change your genetic makeup in any way, and therefore cannot be passed on genetically to your offspring.

they may not change your genetic make up, but many drugs can be passed through sperm (effecting the child)

LAM · 03-02-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DDan16

they may not change your genetic make up, but many drugs can be passed through sperm (effecting the child)

the only thing steroids can do is effect sperm production and that returns to normal once HPTA function has been restored

DDan16 · 03-02-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LAM

the only thing steroids can do is effect sperm production and that returns to normal once HPTA function has been restored

that guy said nothing could effect your child because it doesnt change your genetic make up, but i was taught in health class that some drugs could.. i wasnt talking about steroids tho my bad.

**Mudge** · 03-02-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by XcelKrush

Yeah but alot of substances can damage them.

Damage is modification.

STEROIDS DO NOT MODIFY YOUR GENES.

There we go.

brodus · 03-03-2005, 12:40 AM

There are some things bodybuilders take that may effect your genes, but steroids will not 99.9% of them time, and never on their own.

Uncouplers might, IGF-1 derivatives might, as well as designer peptides and protoglandins.

BTW, living near power lines/power plants can alter your genes, too.

Tha Don · 03-03-2005, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Damage is modification.

STEROIDS DO NOT MODIFY YOUR GENES.

There we go.

amen!

brodus · 03-03-2005, 09:24 AM

I find it hard to believe that doing a lot of anything for a long time wouldn't effect you on a gene transcription/replication level at some point.

I honestly think that exposure to massive doses of steroids for a decade would alter your genetics. You have to realize that studies you may reference aren't involving long-term, mega-dose application of steroids that most bodybuilders use, and they frequently involve diseased patients of some sort.

I base this on known factors-->namely that your genes aren't totally static, and they most certainly can change based on environmental influence. It's what the whole theory of evolution is based upon. Part of the reason evolution works the way it does is because survival traits and expressions become embedded in the genetic code.

Now...if were talking judicious use over periodic intervals, I don't see this as a concern.

thatguy · 03-03-2005, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by brodus

I base this on known factors-->namely that your genes aren't totally static, and they most certainly can change based on environmental influence. It's what the whole theory of evolution is based upon. Part of the reason evolution works the way it does is because survival traits and expressions become embedded in the genetic code.

Evolution is more based off of natural selection, which is one trait survives through a certain hardship and thus is expressed more often because the other genotype is in a dead body that never got to reproduce.

Genetic mutation is also a source of variety, but it certainly is not what "evolution is based upon." It is a very small percentage of the changes made in the evolution of a species. Genetic mutation is that one in millions upon millions chance that a gene will mutate forming a different trait. What you are referring to is a mutation brought on by your environment, such as by extreme radiation or something like that. Since steroids has never been shown to alter genes, this type of mutation is not a factor here.

gococksDJS · 03-03-2005, 10:08 AM

Brodus, Evolution occurs on a very large scale, not just one or two mutations, and takes a very long time. A point mutation in one person is not going to cause natural selection. Survival of the fittest is not a correct way to describe natural selection. It's based solely on the ability to reproduce. Whatever organism reproduces, passes its genes on. The mutation also has to occur on a sex cell and not on a somatic cell, and certain chemicals like alpha, beta and gamma and ultraviolet rays have been shown to cause mutations, as well as hydrocarbons, strong acids and bases, but anabolic steroids have never been directly linked to causing inheritable genetic mutations.

brodus · 03-03-2005, 11:49 AM

Can you post some studies?

DOMS · 03-03-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Damage is modification.

STEROIDS DO NOT MODIFY YOUR GENES.

There we go.

Does alcohol modify your genes? If not, then why does alcohol cause birth defects?

brodus · 03-03-2005, 01:45 PM

Perhaps we are talking about two different things now, as GC points out. There is a difference between a mutation within yourself (cancer, etc.) and your sex genes being damaged and effecting your offspring.

For instance, we knopw that steroids are not a good idea if you have a history of prostate cancer, based on what we know about receptor sites in the prostate gland. We also know that gynecomastia can occur with steroid use. Both of these conditions can occur as the result of mutations. I have studies showing this.

But whether or not anything happens to your sex genes...that's the question. And how can you study this?

LAM · 03-03-2005, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cfs3

Does alcohol modify your genes? If not, then why does alcohol cause birth defects?

alcohol consumption from the mother exposes the baby to aloohol. this in turn effects the CNS causing problems with behavior, learning, memory, attention, etc. I belive the average IQ of infants born with fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS) is 70, which is mentally retarded. FAS also causes physical birth defects.

none of the above is caused by any genetic mutation due to alcohol consumption of the mother

LAM · 03-03-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by brodus

Perhaps we are talking about two different things now, as GC points out. There is a difference between a mutation within yourself (cancer, etc.) and your sex genes being damaged and effecting your offspring.

For instance, we knopw that steroids are not a good idea if you have a history of prostate cancer, based on what we know about receptor sites in the prostate gland. We also know that gynecomastia can occur with steroid use. Both of these conditions can occur as the result of mutations. I have studies showing this.

But whether or not anything happens to your sex genes...that's the question. And how can you study this?

scientists do not even know which genes are expressed when certain steroids are adminsitered, only that different genes are expressed by different steroids. so no one can say either way that the long term effects of supraphysiologic doses of sterods effect sex genes.

but looking at what we know about present day and bodybuilders of the past we have yet to hear of one having any type of mutated offspring.

Tha Don · 03-03-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brodus

I honestly think that exposure to massive doses of steroids for a decade would alter your genetics

i disagree

massive doses of roids would just mean severe shut-down and low (or even zero) sperm-count

your bodys' genetics will NOT change! why the hell would they change??? as soon as your body eventually starts reproducing sperm it will be of the same genetic make up as before you juiced

i know its hard to get your head around but th

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brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	There are some things bodybuilders take that may effect your genes, but steroids will not 99.9% of them time, and never on their own. Uncouplers might, IGF-1 derivatives might, as well as designer peptides and protoglandins. BTW, living near power lines/power plants can alter your genes, too.
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03-03-2005, 09:24 AM	#19
brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	I find it hard to believe that doing a lot of anything for a long time wouldn't effect you on a gene transcription/replication level at some point. I honestly think that exposure to massive doses of steroids for a decade would alter your genetics. You have to realize that studies you may reference aren't involving long-term, mega-dose application of steroids that most bodybuilders use, and they frequently involve diseased patients of some sort. I base this on known factors-->namely that your genes aren't totally static, and they most certainly can change based on environmental influence. It's what the whole theory of evolution is based upon. Part of the reason evolution works the way it does is because survival traits and expressions become embedded in the genetic code. Now...if were talking judicious use over periodic intervals, I don't see this as a concern.
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03-03-2005, 10:08 AM	#21
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002	Brodus, Evolution occurs on a very large scale, not just one or two mutations, and takes a very long time. A point mutation in one person is not going to cause natural selection. Survival of the fittest is not a correct way to describe natural selection. It's based solely on the ability to reproduce. Whatever organism reproduces, passes its genes on. The mutation also has to occur on a sex cell and not on a somatic cell, and certain chemicals like alpha, beta and gamma and ultraviolet rays have been shown to cause mutations, as well as hydrocarbons, strong acids and bases, but anabolic steroids have never been directly linked to causing inheritable genetic mutations.
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03-02-2005, 02:04 PM	#2
thatguy Training again...finally Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 904	First of all, "genetical" is not a word. Second of all, no, steroids (or any other product for that matter) does not change your genetic makeup in any way, and therefore cannot be passed on genetically to your offspring. However, if your wife is pregnant and taking steroids, obviously that would create some serious developmental problems. Also, if your wife is pregnant, stay far away from transdermals as she could inadvertantly be affected by those through bedsheets, rubbing up against you, etc.

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thatguy Training again...finally Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 904	BTW, I know you're 15 and don't have a wife - when I said "your wife" I meant it hypothetically.

03-02-2005, 02:41 PM	#5
thatguy Training again...finally Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 904	Well, I've never heard it if it is, and I've been studying that kind of stuff for a while. "Genetic" is usually used.

03-02-2005, 02:59 PM	#7
largepkg Senior Fucknut Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: S FLA Posts: 2,953 Photos: 2	genetical adj : of or relating to the science of genetics; "genetic research" [syn: genetic]

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brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	Can you post some studies?
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03-03-2005, 01:45 PM	#24
brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	Perhaps we are talking about two different things now, as GC points out. There is a difference between a mutation within yourself (cancer, etc.) and your sex genes being damaged and effecting your offspring. For instance, we knopw that steroids are not a good idea if you have a history of prostate cancer, based on what we know about receptor sites in the prostate gland. We also know that gynecomastia can occur with steroid use. Both of these conditions can occur as the result of mutations. I have studies showing this. But whether or not anything happens to your sex genes...that's the question. And how can you study this?
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