Schwarzenegger Urges Steroid Crackdown

Flex · 03-08-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

And to return something to your assumption that EVERYONE wants to see a Ronnie over a Dexter, I don't. I'd rather see a hundred guys the size of Dexter, Kris and Gustavo before guys that are as "Monstrous" as Coleman.

I agree with you.

But great size will beat good aesthetiques nowadays, again, cuz the fans want great size.

Little Wing · 03-08-2005, 08:48 PM

i think any body builder competing should do it with pure hard work not drugs. it looks better and is something truly to be proud of. sorry just a girls opinion.

Flex · 03-08-2005, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rockgazer69

i think any body builder competing should do it with pure hard work not drugs. it looks better and is something truly to be proud of. sorry just a girls opinion.

your boy Arnold took (lots and lots of) drugs, young lady

gococksDJS · 03-08-2005, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rockgazer69

i think any body builder competing should do it with pure hard work not drugs. it looks better and is something truly to be proud of. sorry just a girls opinion.

I think Coleman's pride comes from his 7 Sandow statues....

musclepump · 03-08-2005, 10:06 PM

Then the IFBB should move the Olympia to a different country. If you compete in THIS country, as in the United States of America, steroids are ILLEGAL.

thatguy · 03-08-2005, 10:17 PM

On a lighter note...

Does anyone else think it's funny that the author of the article's last name is Weiner?

Flex · 03-09-2005, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

Then the IFBB should move the Olympia to a different country. If you compete in THIS country, as in the United States of America, steroids are ILLEGAL.

Stop crying.
If you don't like pro BB, DON'T watch it, it's as simple as that.

musclepump · 03-09-2005, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Flex

Stop crying.
If you don't like pro BB, DON'T watch it, it's as simple as that.

That's not my point. I don't like how much gear these guys are using, not that they use. Like I said, guys the size of Dex, Gustavo, the guys without the GH guts, that's what I watch for. You then make the comment that it should be ok because it's the "INTERNATIONAL" Fed., so I make a comment that the Olympia then should simply be held elsewhere. I don't think all things illegal are wrong, hence my stance on steroids. They don't bother me, I just think the sport would be more appropriate and worthwhile if guys like Ronnie actually had a visible six-pack.

Flex · 03-09-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

That's not my point. I don't like how much gear these guys are using, not that they use. Like I said, guys the size of Dex, Gustavo, the guys without the GH guts, that's what I watch for. You then make the comment that it should be ok because it's the "INTERNATIONAL" Fed., so I make a comment that the Olympia then should simply be held elsewhere. I don't think all things illegal are wrong, hence my stance on steroids. They don't bother me, I just think the sport would be more appropriate and worthwhile if guys like Ronnie actually had a visible six-pack.

So which one is it then?

First you said:
"steroids are illegal in the US, therefore the IFBB should ban them"

and now you say:
"I don't like how much gear these guys are using, not that they use. Like I said, guys the size of Dex, Gustavo, the guys without the GH guts, that's what I watch for"

well, you already know how i feel about your first statement. and about your 2nd statement, read this:

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Originally Posted by gr81

what makes you thikn Dexter jackson has any different of a drug regime than Coleman? they are ALL guilty, Coleman just is better at it ans has superior genetics. This is ridiculous.

Like the man said, they ALL use a ton of gear. You're argueing that aesthetiques should be equally valued as size.

Flex · 03-09-2005, 11:40 AM

oh ya:

musclepump · 03-09-2005, 11:49 AM

You're right, I contradicted myself by not clearly defining my different thoughts on either subject. Maybe, then, I should have said I don't like them using HGH because it ruins the sport, IMO, when guys have guts the size of Ronnie's.

Flex · 03-09-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by musclepump

You're right, I contradicted myself by not clearly defining my different thoughts on either subject. Maybe, then, I should have said I don't like them using HGH because it ruins the sport, IMO, when guys have guts the size of Ronnie's.

well guess what, most pros use GH, too.

musclepump · 03-09-2005, 12:34 PM

Yeah, and I'm wishing they'd ban that. There. A firm stance!

Flex · 03-09-2005, 01:08 PM

I find it quite ironic that you're anti-GH and pretty anti-steroids, yet you're a "weider pupil"

musclepump · 03-09-2005, 01:23 PM

I'm not anti-steroids; I'm just to the point where I want something to be done so guys the size of Gustavo and Dex win compared to guys like Ronnie.

musclepump · 03-09-2005, 01:30 PM

And with that, because as you mentioned they ALL take a ton of gear, Ronnie and Jay might still win everything because if they all take a certain amount less, Dexter and Dareem will get even smaller--and that's fine, I'd just rather see a stage without GH guts. I'm not anti-Ronnie or Jay, at all, I'd just like to see them be able to win with a smaller package.

Jay once made an interesting comment to a friend of mine, "The top pro's take less than any of the guys who aren't winning. Trust me on that."

DOMS · 03-09-2005, 02:23 PM

If HGH is what makes Ronnie's gut stick out past his pecs, then that needs to be dropped from pro bodybuilding.

Flex · 03-09-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cfs3

If HGH is what makes Ronnie's gut stick out past his pecs, then that needs to be dropped from pro bodybuilding.

His gut isn't even that bad, a big part of it is that he doesnt have great control over his abdomen while breathing like many other pros do.

Besides, the rest of his physique MORE than makes up for it.

gr81 · 03-09-2005, 07:41 PM

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That's not my point. I don't like how much gear these guys are using, not that they use. Like I said, guys the size of Dex, Gustavo, the guys without the GH guts, that's what I watch for. You then make the comment that it should be ok because it's the "INTERNATIONAL" Fed., so I make a comment that the Olympia then should simply be held elsewhere. I don't think all things illegal are wrong, hence my stance on steroids. They don't bother me, I just think the sport would be more appropriate and worthwhile if guys like Ronnie actually had a visible six-pack.

what the fucc does it matter, you have stated your opnion, we get it, but if that was the general concenscious then things would be different, but they are not, so they don't change. Deal with it. These guys do it b/c they benefit from it, and I don't see who the hell you think you are to draw the line in the sand when every generation has looked at Pros and said they are too big and freakish. Its all relative. Like my man says, if you don't like it, don't watch it son. we get it. And blaming it all on the GH is not the answer, growth is a great drug. its not an automatic ticket to a larger belly by any means.

PreMier · 03-09-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flex

His gut isn't even that bad, a big part of it is that he doesnt have great control over his abdomen while breathing like many other pros do.

Besides, the rest of his physique MORE than makes up for it.

Your crazy!

Here, look at this.

soxmuscle · 03-09-2005, 07:55 PM

Holy shit, I never knew his gut was that bad.

Maynard Keenan · 03-09-2005, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

Your crazy!

Here, look at this.

I think the way the bodybuilders looked in the 70's was the better look. (columbo, ferrigno, platz and Arnold of course) Ronnie Coleman is just to much. I know many dissagree with me but its over the line now adays.

Flex · 03-09-2005, 08:29 PM

It's not all from GH. That's what happens when you compete at 290.

Do i think Dex should get more credit? Absolutely. Enough to win? Sure. I also think Arnold has the best physique ever.

But all you haters still make me laugh.

PreMier · 03-09-2005, 08:33 PM

To clarify, I'm not hating.. IMO RC has a near flawless physique, with the only weakness being his distended gut. I just thought it was funny when you said his gut wasn't that bad

TrojanMan60563 · 03-09-2005, 10:52 PM

I think people should be less concerned with what all these guys take...cause guys like Ronnie and Jay wouldn't be on top if its not what we the people wanted to see. I personally think Jay Cutler has the total package with the size and not having a huge gut and so forth. Bottom line is none of these guys would be where they are if it wasn't for the drugs....Flex even admitted he "abused" steroids since the age of 18....he was a huge guy with a ton of muscle on his small frame....IMO he wouldn't be shit without the drugs and neither would Dexter Jackson. Arnold started taking steroids in his early teen years....he had 20 inch arms by the age of 18.....that isn't natural and that is not genetics either. I agree BBers are taking more shit now then before and its obvious because they are way larger. It sure as hell isn't evolution of man that makes BBers bigger today then before. Don't be fooled and think guys like Arnold didn't take a shit load of steroids...they just didn't take the same amounts and the same huge stacks for the same length of time....I see steroid use of the past as a precontest type thing where as now its an all the time thing.

03-08-2005, 10:06 PM	#65
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musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,664 Photos: 128	You're right, I contradicted myself by not clearly defining my different thoughts on either subject. Maybe, then, I should have said I don't like them using HGH because it ruins the sport, IMO, when guys have guts the size of Ronnie's.
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Flex FLEXecutioner Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pomping Iyuhn Posts: 6,278 Photos: 2	I find it quite ironic that you're anti-GH and pretty anti-steroids, yet you're a "weider pupil"
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Little Wing SEMPER~FIDELIS Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: United States Posts: 21,052 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 191	i think any body builder competing should do it with pure hard work not drugs. it looks better and is something truly to be proud of. sorry just a girls opinion.

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musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,664 Photos: 128	I'm not anti-steroids; I'm just to the point where I want something to be done so guys the size of Gustavo and Dex win compared to guys like Ronnie.
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musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,664 Photos: 128	And with that, because as you mentioned they ALL take a ton of gear, Ronnie and Jay might still win everything because if they all take a certain amount less, Dexter and Dareem will get even smaller--and that's fine, I'd just rather see a stage without GH guts. I'm not anti-Ronnie or Jay, at all, I'd just like to see them be able to win with a smaller package. Jay once made an interesting comment to a friend of mine, "The top pro's take less than any of the guys who aren't winning. Trust me on that."
	Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

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03-09-2005, 08:29 PM	#83
Flex FLEXecutioner Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pomping Iyuhn Posts: 6,278 Photos: 2	It's not all from GH. That's what happens when you compete at 290. Do i think Dex should get more credit? Absolutely. Enough to win? Sure. I also think Arnold has the best physique ever. But all you haters still make me laugh.
	You're a funny guy, Sully, I like you. Dat's why I'm going to kill you lahst. * Got juice?Need Motivation?How to Train* Arnold vs. Ronnie vs. Haney vs. Sergio YEAH BUDDY...LIGHT WEIGHT!Ahhnold*

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PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,055 Photos: 2	To clarify, I'm not hating.. IMO RC has a near flawless physique, with the only weakness being his distended gut. I just thought it was funny when you said his gut wasn't that bad
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TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,927 Photos: 1	I think people should be less concerned with what all these guys take...cause guys like Ronnie and Jay wouldn't be on top if its not what we the people wanted to see. I personally think Jay Cutler has the total package with the size and not having a huge gut and so forth. Bottom line is none of these guys would be where they are if it wasn't for the drugs....Flex even admitted he "abused" steroids since the age of 18....he was a huge guy with a ton of muscle on his small frame....IMO he wouldn't be shit without the drugs and neither would Dexter Jackson. Arnold started taking steroids in his early teen years....he had 20 inch arms by the age of 18.....that isn't natural and that is not genetics either. I agree BBers are taking more shit now then before and its obvious because they are way larger. It sure as hell isn't evolution of man that makes BBers bigger today then before. Don't be fooled and think guys like Arnold didn't take a shit load of steroids...they just didn't take the same amounts and the same huge stacks for the same length of time....I see steroid use of the past as a precontest type thing where as now its an all the time thing.