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    Is this good stuff????

    I'm almost ready to do my next cycle and I'm looking at my alternatives, one of the products I'm buying is Winni. I have browsed a bit and I don't know if these products are good brands!!

    Denkal stanasolic
    quality vet stan 50
    power animal stan 50


    Which of these you think is best~

    thank you...
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    new? alternatives? What have you done? What are your goals? Age? Size?
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    ok

    QV and Denkal are decent brands. I havent tried anything from power animal. I've only had test from the other two, but I've heard the stan is acceptable.

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    thank you guys; I appreciate your quick response...

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    I did a cycle of sustanon 250 for 8 weeks at 500mg/w

    I didn't gain much with this cycle, I was very new to this and I didn't know much about steroids, I read and I was led by a friend that apparentely didn't know more than me now.

    I'm 24 years old I did my recovery for 3 months, I followed the instructions on your thread at the top of the main page.

    20 mg of novaldex (8 weeks)
    5000i Hgh for 3 weeks (1st inject on the 3rd week after my last test injec)

    I don't want to get extra big, I gained 12 pounds with the sustanon cycle and I have been able to keep them so far, I'm very happy with these gains, my goals are to look cut and solid muscle, not to grow much, my current weight is 202 pounds, my skin is very thin and it brakes very easy (I hate stretch marks)

    your advice is appreciated...

    thank you..

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    Why winstrol? What interests you about it?
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    I just thought it was my best choice to get what I want to... I'd like to mix it with another one, I thought of primobolan.

    What do you think...

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    for cost vs effect primo is a complete rip-off. you need to run primo at 600 mg/wk or higher. it is a very mild anabolic
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuyi
    I followed the instructions on your thread at the top of the main page.

    20 mg of novaldex (8 weeks)
    5000i Hgh for 3 weeks (1st inject on the 3rd week after my last test inject
    That is a thread compiled of other peoples theories, your particular route I wouldn't have taken but that doesn't matter at this point.

    Winstrol is hard on the cholestrol if you were not aware, I myself wont touch it. You may not have normal HDL again for months afterwards.
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    which cycle would you guys think is good based on what I want?

    thank you...

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    I really appreciate your advice; you guys have been in this for many years and I will definately listen to your suggestions.

    thanks again.... you are awesome.

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    If you dont want a lot of size control your calories, its that easy. Believe me I dont have any grossly uncontrollable growth spurts here, I'm not trying desperately to hold back 300 pounds. Its food not drugs.
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    I still don't look the shape I want and I want to get to them quick, maybe a milder steroid could be a possibility.

    What do you recomend as far as drugs is concerned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuyi
    which cycle would you guys think is good based on what I want?

    thank you...
    none. sounds like you need to work on your diet and do some cardio. if all you want to do is gain a couple of lbs of muscle you don't need gear for that
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    no, I want to gain at least another 15 pounds of muscle, but I don't want to look fat and
    I dont want to do one cycle that drives to water retention, I want to grow solid, that is the type of gear I'm looking for, since I'm very new on this thing; I don't know which would be the best to do.....but must likely I will run another cycle, I just want to go smart.



    thank you

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    what are your stats ? and how long have you been training ?
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    I have been training for 2 years now....

    thanks..

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    and your stats...?

    how much muscle have you put on in those 2 years?

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    I have put like 17 pounds in muscle....

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    How much do you weigh, your height, age, your approximate body fat etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deeno
    How much do you weigh, your height, age, your approximate body fat etc. etc.
    exactly. these are the things that we need to know. body composition has a large effect on the results from AAS use and for determining what compounds a person should or shouldn't use. for instance a person with 24% bf who uses dbol is at a much greater risk for gyno than another person at 12% bf, etc.
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    I'm 5.10
    202 pounds
    24 years old
    I'll need to check my body fat now, last time I checked it was 15%, this was like 3 months ago.

    gyno could be a problem for me, I have trouble increasing sizes on my chest, I guess that this could be a potential problem, after 2 years of working out, my chest does not look very different, I work it a lot, but still doesn't look hard like I want it to look.

    2 years ago when I started I was 175 pounds, there have made significant changes in my body shape, I think I still have a lot to go and this is the reason I'd like to run another cycle, I gain body fat very easely, that's why I'm looking for a compound that will make my gains consise and solid.

    Guys, thanks a million for your time, I really appreciate this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM
    exactly. these are the things that we need to know. body composition has a large effect on the results from AAS use and for determining what compounds a person should or shouldn't use. for instance a person with 24% bf who uses dbol is at a much greater risk for gyno than another person at 12% bf, etc.
    yep, LAM says i can't use dbol because my BF is too high

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    ?????, I'm still waiting for my answer.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuyi
    I gain body fat very easely, that's why I'm looking for a compound that will make my gains consise and solid.
    AAS decreases glucose tolerance and since you say you gain body fat easy this means that you need to eat especially clean sources of carbs. lots of high fiber, low GI carbs like oats, lentils, beans, etc.

    I would use test enanthate over sust 250. sust is so overrated and is not the best choice for testosterone supplementation.

    I think a 10 week cycle of test enanthate at 500 mg/wk is all you need.
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    thank you, I will follow your advice......

    millions thanks bro.....

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    Lam, have you heard of this before, would be something to consider?
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    i just want to make sure that this is good stuff

    thanks!

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