musclepump

Once I can afford it, I'll buy it and try it. I'll keep a log. If anyone wants to pitch in to the fund so I can start this guinea pig research sooner, let me know

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LAM

it's only been out for a couple of months. I would give it more time. I have some Long R3 IGF-1 that I haven't used yet. I will/would try that before I try an oral delivery system.

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What you talking about Willis ?

musclepump

Doesn't IBE's come pre-diluted?

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redspy

I'd try the traditional Long R3 IGF-1, but not the oral version as I'd like to see more data. From the sources I've seen 1mg is about $200 and depending on dose it will last about 20 days. The good thing about IGF-1 is that it doesn't supress the HPTA and can be used during PCT, on cycle or as a standalone. Having said that you probably get a better bang for your buck using AAS.

Mudge

Yes, and actually at least one person is using acetic acid (the fancy term for pure vinegar) pre-diluted right before ship time, on an ice pack. BA is still used by some, and I've even heard of hydrochloric acid being used. Some people used bacteriostatic water early on which is not recommended at all, it will break down too quickly. For those that use BA however, they will preload the syringe with bac water, then draw up the BA/IGF-1 mix, the bac water helps with pain and also clears out the pin of IGF-1.

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Tha Don

true, i'm gonna stick with AAS right now, HGH dosen't really interest me (1 for the money, 2 for the gut, 3 for ze juice)

musclepump

Yeah, I wanted to try the IGF-1 and avoid the gut. I like it for its muscle repairing and cell properties, though, assuming it works.

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redspy

With low doses you're unlikely to see major gut gut growth. When taken at 20-30 IUs every day like some pros are alledged to it's a different story.

Tough Old Man

Each kit contains 15 pre packaged syringes with 40mcg pre measured in gel form. You just squirt it in the back of your throat.

Mudge for your info it doesn't give me cottonmouth at all. It may be inconvienent to go around a hr without water but now after 8 days it doesn't bother me one bit. I take it 1 hr after eating my first of 6 meals and and by the time the next hour rolls along it time to start preparing the next meal and here comes bread and water.

milwood

I'd really try to find someone who can show results from Oratropin before I'd invest. It seems to be fading already. If it were working, everyone in the world of BB'ing would be on this stuff! No pinning, oral applications, legal, simple. Don't get me wrong, I WANT LIKE HELL for it to work. I want to be wrong. I did 2 kits for 1 month, and all I can say is I have nothing to show for it, except I'm $260 lighter!

Stu

where you using any AS with it

milwood

yeah, I used it weeks 3-4 of a cycle (SD week 3, LMG week 4) and 2 weeks during PCT. My only concern was that for the $, I just didn't notice anything regarding gain, keep or sides. No hypo, no cotton mouth, nothing. At first I really thought maybe there was some benefit, and I still do. I just think that for the $, unless it becomes very clearly (and scientifically) effective, I'd go with non-oral, and I want to do that to compare. I just need to find some and then study all the complexities of how to do it. Hell of a lot more complex than oral, which is why Oratropin is so appealing. And regarding IBE--they are great. I get lots of stuff from them. No probs whatsoever. Again, I want to be wrong. If people really start seeing results, I'll try it again. Maybe they'll discover that you need much more for oral to work. I mean, oral admin is never gonna be like sub-Q or IM, because nothing is wasted with those. Maybe you need 4X as much for oral absorbtion. I really don't know. I am very open minded, though!

musclepump

I wouldn't mind knocking back more solution to take an oral as compared to pinning, but if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Plain and simple. I'm interested in actual results, too.

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Mudge

Well I'm glad to see a little more feedback on it. I'm still going injectable. I dont see how a 29g 1/2" slin pin into my muscle is anything to cry about, other than of course its not legal like an oral delivery system. I'd be pissed off though if the oral worked like they said it did, who wants to have cotton mouth for an hour??? And you can't eat or drink anything for best results??? Screw that, I'm not getting up at 4am to deal with that.

Injectable IGF-1 suspended in acetic acid for me, probably shooting in the triceps.

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Tough Old Man

Well i get up every morning at 4 am anyways. Now as to that being said, this is how I do it right now. Cardio at 5am. First meal at 7am. 8:30am IGF. 10am 2nd meal. I have no problem getting down 1 1/2 gal's of water a day and have no cotton mouth. I don't know for sure if the IGF is working though as it's only been 11 days. Think I'll order some injectable IGF and see if I feel any different.

musclepump

got bank don'tcha Tough?

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Tough Old Man

Not really that's why i live in mexico. My first wife gets half my pension for the resr of one of our lives. i live down here on $1500 a month. I have built my own house and owe nothing to anyone. so believe it or not, $1500 goes a long ways down her. just ask the poor mexicans that work for me once in a while for $10 a day. Lucky my wife hit part of the supper lotto for 29k which help me build this 2100 sq ft house. I do have on of the nices kitchens down here at a whopping 632 sq ft with 2 center islands. built this fucker by myself. had help with the misses. funny never built antthing myself before.
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musclepump

Baja, California is in Mexico? Who would have thought?

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