ashwagandha

19-chief · 05-13-2005, 03:19 PM

i've be trying to find info on this herb. i'm gearing up for pct in about 4-5 weeks (don't know how long i'll actually stay "ON") and planned on running tribulis and nolva. would this herb be of any help to the adrenal system during pct?

19-chief · 05-13-2005, 04:13 PM

anyone?

Cardinal · 05-13-2005, 04:36 PM

I thought you had just hit a bunch of letters on the keyboard. I am sorry. Never heard of it. Will let you know what I find out.

Cardinal · 05-13-2005, 04:43 PM

Here is what the brain trust had to say about it in brief. You can run a search over there and find out more. Looks interesting. But so do a lot of supplements.

One Thread
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19-chief · 05-13-2005, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Looks interesting. But so do a lot of supplements.

ain't that the truth.

19-chief · 05-13-2005, 05:00 PM

thanks, cardinal. but that seems like all the same crap i've been finding... always vague in what it truly does and how. oh well, just thought it might be of some use during pct b/c after 8 weeks of test e/ eq and hard training, i'm starting feel a bit worn down... i wasn't like this 2-3 weeks ago. just a little concerned... wouldn't want post cycle to be any more difficult than it has to be. (ie- continuing with proper training and nourishment)

**dg806** · 05-13-2005, 07:46 PM

LMAO................asblathambloma to you too!
Never heard of it, sorry. Google it.

19-chief · 05-15-2005, 09:47 AM

what? just asking questions and thinking aloud, dude. i saw it a while back in a book called anabolic primer and wanted to know some more about it... that's all.

Tough Old Man · 05-15-2005, 01:07 PM

Wow chief that ? needs to be put up on who wants to be a milliionaire. I think it would end someones streak going for the big bucks...Shit a got a DEA buddy and maybe I'll ask him if its something you smoke or shoot....LOL.....Hope you find the answere as I'm curious as the kiddy running on my neighbors roof. Oh shit i forgot i live in Mexico and don't have a neighbor.

19-chief · 05-15-2005, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Wow chief that ? needs to be put up on who wants to be a milliionaire. I think it would end someones streak going for the big bucks...Shit a got a DEA buddy and maybe I'll ask him if its something you smoke or shoot....LOL.....Hope you find the answere as I'm curious as the kiddy running on my neighbors roof. Oh shit i forgot i live in Mexico and don't have a neighbor.

it an herb from africa that is supposedly used to treat adrenal fatigue... just figured that with all these knowlegdable people at IM that someone might have an answer... boy was my assumption wrong!

19-chief · 08-07-2006, 12:40 PM

ah, bumping for Trouble!

Tough Old Man · 08-07-2006, 05:09 PM

Chief are you experiencing adrenal fatigue. Are you sure it's not a Low Thyroid Function. Here's some info for you are the signs of the two.

http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp

Trouble · 08-07-2006, 05:51 PM

TOM, Chief's complaint may be a combination of both thyroid hormone and adrenal steroidogensis activity depression, a direct result of steroid analogs that bind to TR and PXR/SXR and LXR nuclear receptors.

I found this interesting write-up on the herb.

I'm sorta perplexed where the thread should reside: here, over in Health or in Supplements.

I'll leave it here, unless one of the other mods chooses to relocate it.

See also: http://www.raysahelian.com/ashwagandha.html From Ray's site, a 2004 monograph: "Ashwagandha on chronic administration markedly augmented antioxidants (GSH, GS hydroperoxidase, superoxide dismutase, and blood catalase) while Vit E did not stimulate the synthesis of endogenous antioxidants compared to (controls")."

Oi-vey! The investigators should have checked thiols and NADPH, I bet those were augmented as well. This reducing agent boost, coupled with anti-inflammatory action is quite interesting. Note Ray's dosing: a few times a week! I tried it at two caps per day; no wonder it caused excessive androgen activity (I was wired at night).

Pretty interesting herb; thanks for bringing it to our attention, Chief. Note it being compounded with Bacopa and Rhodiola (Rays site again), forming a trio of very potent stress adaptogens. Note also its gabanergic activity. Good stuff and a good candidate to pct / CNS recovery from intense training.

05-13-2005, 03:19 PM	#1
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05-13-2005, 04:13 PM	#2
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05-13-2005, 05:00 PM	#6
19-chief Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: south eastern us Posts: 854 Photos: 4	thanks, cardinal. but that seems like all the same crap i've been finding... always vague in what it truly does and how. oh well, just thought it might be of some use during pct b/c after 8 weeks of test e/ eq and hard training, i'm starting feel a bit worn down... i wasn't like this 2-3 weeks ago. just a little concerned... wouldn't want post cycle to be any more difficult than it has to be. (ie- continuing with proper training and nourishment)
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05-13-2005, 07:46 PM	#7
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,510	LMAO................asblathambloma to you too! Never heard of it, sorry. Google it.
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05-15-2005, 09:47 AM	#8
19-chief Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: south eastern us Posts: 854 Photos: 4	what? just asking questions and thinking aloud, dude. i saw it a while back in a book called anabolic primer and wanted to know some more about it... that's all.
	Information that the character 19-chief presents is totally fictitious in nature and is presented for role playing purposes only. The opinions presented do not encourage the use of illegal substances nor take the place of professional medical advice.

05-13-2005, 04:36 PM	#3
Cardinal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,009	I thought you had just hit a bunch of letters on the keyboard. I am sorry. Never heard of it. Will let you know what I find out.

05-13-2005, 04:43 PM	#4
Cardinal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,009	Here is what the brain trust had to say about it in brief. You can run a search over there and find out more. Looks interesting. But so do a lot of supplements. One Thread Another

05-15-2005, 01:07 PM	#9
Tough Old Man Canine club CEO Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: baja calif, Mexico Posts: 6,933 Photos: 1	Wow chief that ? needs to be put up on who wants to be a milliionaire. I think it would end someones streak going for the big bucks...Shit a got a DEA buddy and maybe I'll ask him if its something you smoke or shoot....LOL.....Hope you find the answere as I'm curious as the kiddy running on my neighbors roof. *Oh shit i forgot i live in Mexico and don't have a neighbor.*

08-07-2006, 12:40 PM	#11
19-chief Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: south eastern us Posts: 854 Photos: 4	ah, bumping for Trouble!
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08-07-2006, 05:09 PM	#12
Tough Old Man Canine club CEO Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: baja calif, Mexico Posts: 6,933 Photos: 1	Chief are you experiencing adrenal fatigue. Are you sure it's not a Low Thyroid Function. Here's some info for you are the signs of the two. http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp

08-07-2006, 05:51 PM	#13
Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,076 Photos: 2	TOM, Chief's complaint may be a combination of both thyroid hormone and adrenal steroidogensis activity depression, a direct result of steroid analogs that bind to TR and PXR/SXR and LXR nuclear receptors. I found this interesting write-up on the herb. I'm sorta perplexed where the thread should reside: here, over in Health or in Supplements. I'll leave it here, unless one of the other mods chooses to relocate it. See also: http://www.raysahelian.com/ashwagandha.html From Ray's site, a 2004 monograph: "Ashwagandha on chronic administration markedly augmented antioxidants (GSH, GS hydroperoxidase, superoxide dismutase, and blood catalase) while Vit E did not stimulate the synthesis of endogenous antioxidants compared to (controls")." Oi-vey! The investigators should have checked thiols and NADPH, I bet those were augmented as well. This reducing agent boost, coupled with anti-inflammatory action is quite interesting. Note Ray's dosing: a few times a week! I tried it at two caps per day; no wonder it caused excessive androgen activity (I was wired at night). Pretty interesting herb; thanks for bringing it to our attention, Chief. Note it being compounded with Bacopa and Rhodiola (Rays site again), forming a trio of very potent stress adaptogens. Note also its gabanergic activity. Good stuff and a good candidate to pct / CNS recovery from intense training. Last edited by Trouble : 08-07-2006 at 06:09 PM.

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