musclepump

What are some of the best steroid myths you've heard?

My favorite is, "Steroids will make your testictles shrivel away"

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TJ Cline

The best one is they make you're dick shrink
usually skinny non athletic duds promote that myth

Mudge

Funniest I've heard:

Your dick will shrink
Causes bad breath

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GSXR750

I love all the roid rage conversations.

TJ Cline

I think this one can be true

GSXR750

If you're angry when you're off, you're angry when you're on. No truth to it.

TJ Cline

Not true I have seen it many times and have done it once myself...Thank God it was in a situation defending my family.

Mudge

I question what tren does to me, but generally speaking for me it is a fallacy.

At least one study, which was posted by one of our resident doctors, had shown that those who rage while on cycle had pre-existing mental issues.

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musclepump

If it comes down to protecting my family, I don't care if I'm on gear or not I'll go into a rage.

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TJ Cline

Where you take the rage depends on you're mental state, but the added aggression is there.

GSXR750

If the aggression is there it was there the whole time. Maybe you had a mood swing because your injection site hurt or even because you using steroids. This mood swing dosen't justify you ripping someones head off. Maybe it gave you an ego boost thinking "Hey I'm using, I curled 20lbs more than I usually do. I'll kick this guys ass." However, you couldn't have harnessed your "roid rage" to protect your family. You probably would have done the same thing if you weren't using.

Mudge

I have never done cheque drops or halo, but I still say tren is the only thing I would question from drugs I HAVE used. It seems to affect some people and not others, for me, its still somewhat of a question mark because I am not a violent person and have not been in a physical altercation in longer than I can remember.

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TJ Cline

Medical doctors would disagree with you. Aggression is a documented medical fact with use of testosterone.

Mudge

We've already had that study posted, and the only people subject to aggression where those who already had issues mentally. That was posted by a doctor here on this very board.

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musclepump

In doing my research I've heard from seven different physicians that roid rage is a myth, and I've been told by four others that it does, and it's documented. So, it depends on who you believe, I suppose.

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GSXR750

I edited my post. If the aggression was there when you got in that fight, it was with you the whole time. You just chose to act upon it. Do you think the same result would have occured if you werent using anabolics?

TJ Cline

One study does not make a scientific fact, if that were so Arthur Jones would have proved all that he had hoped to.
The PDR states added aggression as a side effect to testosterone use. I will take the PDR over opinion any day when it comes to prescription drugs. Plus life experience has taught me that this side effect is valid as well.

LAM

by definition aggression and rage are not even remotely similar...roid rage is a myth

Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov

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What you talking about Willis ?

TJ Cline

Well you must be more educated that the medical community...good for you

Mudge

I said it was a study, not an opinion. Testosterone, deca, equipoise, dianabol and anadrol have never given me any detectable aggression. I dont even flip people off in traffic.

I have highlighted certain sections below, for those who may have short attention spans from the rage that they are blaming on steroids

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/408595_5

Several reports of mental status changes associated with AASs have been published. These include acute paranoia,[32] delirium,[33] mania or hypomania,[34,35] and homicidal rage.[36,37] Studies comparing AAS users to nonusing weight lifter controls have found significantly more episodes of depression, anxiety, hostility, paranoia, and aggression in users of AAS.[38, 39] One study comparing AAS users on vs off AASs reported a higher rate of aggressive feelings, verbal aggression, and aggression toward objects, but not physical aggression toward people, while on the agents. AAS users have also been observed to have a significantly greater rate of personality psychopathology compared with community controls.[40,41] As none of these studies are randomized, causality is difficult to establish in the association of AASs and psychiatric changes, including aggression and hypomania.
At least 5 studies have administered supraphysiologic doses of testosterone in a placebo-controlled design to psychiatrically "normal" subjects.[42-46] Overall, these studies indicate that the majority of normal individuals will not experience psychiatric changes with testosterone doses up to 500-600 mg/week. However, this response is not uniform and individual patients will experience marked affective changes, particularly as the dose increases beyond 500 mg/week. Furthermore, the majority of real-world AAS abusers will use doses greater than the equivalent of 500 mg of testosterone. Patients with underlying psychopathology (eg, antisocial personality disorder) or a general predisposition toward anger are probably more likely to experience an increase in angry or aggressive behavior. This relationship is important because these individuals are probably more likely to use anabolic steroids illicitly, compared with "healthy, psychologically normal men."

The potential for addiction to the AASs has been investigated. In interviews with 49 AAS users, at least 1 DSM-III-R symptom of dependence was reported by 94% of the sample, while 3 or more symptoms were reported by 57% of the sample.[47] The authors concluded that AASs were addictive and suggested that dissatisfaction with body size and increases in size and strength obtained with AASs may lead to patterns of dependent use.

So maybe your daddy didn't love you, or you didn't have a puppy when you were a boy DONT BLAME IT ON STEROIDS. Of course if you are busy doing all those deca and dbol cycles without testosterone, then common sense tells you a man with zero testosterone is not going to feel normal.

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Mudge

I dunno dude. I think looking at your signature already tells us you have issues. War is peace? Ignorance is strength?

Yeah, it must be the steroids clouding your mind with those ridiculous thoughts. You are just too easy. Ignorance is strength, thats just royal. I hope you dont teach any children that. I know I wont be teaching my kids to beat peoples asses on the playground because that is peace, I dont remember Ghandi or Martin Luther King Jr. preaching beatdowns. Of course if I believed that ignorance is strength I probably would invent the idea that they did preach those things.

Maybe you are really just a frustrated and confused poet, trying to find your outlet. Sure nobody understands what you preach, and it doesn't make sense - but somehow that is your calling.

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gr81

here you are AGAIN, running your mouth like you are right and everyone else is wrong, jesus christ son. Actually in regards to AAS use, yes LAM is more educated than your average medical proffessional, Hee's proven that time and time again. The medical community knows very little about AAS use, thats not even debatable that the real steroid experts are not Drs. When are you going to learn that just b/c you observe something to be true, does not make it necessarily true. Observational science, and simple cause and effect is no way to form scientific opinions. Shit is not that black and white, we are much more complicated than that, and actually if you want to break it down, testosterone has much more of a positive effect on a person's psyche including increased feeling of confidence.. read up

Testosterone Site/Elite Fitness-Dave Tate/West Side Barbell/Berardi Nutrition & Sports Performance/Steroid Laws- Rick Collins/John Defendis Intensity or Insanity articles/Save the Supersonics

TJ Cline

Mudge I am sorry but I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and I was wrong. We had a disagreement in my first post and I said you were a good guy and I was wrong and had judged you too quickly, that was my mistake you were wrong as you are now. If you read any classic literature you would be ashamed for you're ignorance of Orwell ( his book 1984 is a classic and the words posted in my signature are the opposite of what you think). And you're total lack of respect for the medical community is a sad. It is amazing to me that a man can believe rumor, pseudoscience and nonsense and have a total disregard for prov-en medical science. I hope some day you grow up and learn to respect science, and grasp some of the classic literature out there.

The bottom line is if you warp the minds of the new bodybuilders with you're opinion, and totally disregard science, then you are only hurting those who seek true knowledge. I hope some day you give respect to documented medical fact, and if you want to argue with it you come up with research to support you're opinion. Calling names is no way to refute medical fact.....I thought you were better than that.
It is easy to hate and make fun of scientific fact, it is very hard to prove it wrong.....I know you are better than this Mudge

TJ Cline

Please you are too often wrong, give us some facts to support you're disregard from medical fact. You have no support for your anger at scientific law. In the future come up with some real scientific facts to prove you're opinions. I encourage you to rise above you're gym mentality and become the student of science you were meant to be ( I wish I actually believed this).

Todd_

haha you just won the award for biggest tool of may 22nd

Todd_

bro gr81 has The Rock and t-mag.com in his sig give him some slack