JoeyH

Hi all,

Im planning on hitting my first cycle of test cyp (200 mg/wk) over 10 weeks. First question, beacuse my gear is 100mg/ml (Testo LA), should i take it 1ml monday and 1ml thursday or just take the 2ml every monday?
Second question, for PCT, can i use indolplex (Diindolylmethane (DIM)) as i cant get a hold of clomid on nolva? if so how much should i use?

Any of your opinions wopuld be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Pirate!

Double your test dose and get nolva.

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

dg806

Spread your dosage into two shots. And yes I think you can grow @200mg a week.
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gococksDJS

IMO, make your test dose 500mg's a week in 2 doses.

JoeyH

ok well it looks like i better go "shopping" and get some more test cyp. what about the indolplex though? i live in Aus so shipping in any "medicines/drugs" is pertty hard?

JoeyH

anyone have any comments/opinions on indolpex as a substitute fo clomid/nolva?

thanks in advance

Stu

if this is the indolpex you're reffering to then its not even close to a substitue for cloimd or nolva.

can't you get nolva or clomid from the same place you got the test cyp?

TJ Cline

200mg test every 4 days is pleanty for a beginner, you should make great gains from that dose. One of my first cycles I only did around 300mg teast once a week and I made great gains ( the guys here are right that its better to do it 2x a week). I did a very short cycle so didnt need any clomid or nolvadex, but if you are going to do a 10 week cycle you will need a PCT program.

gococksDJS

I don't agree with this at all. If you run an exogenous hormone, you need to run PCT. If you actually ran a long ester, like test cyp, long enough to actually see gains from it, then how can you think it didn't shut down your natural testosterone production? If you run a cycle, you need to run PCT.

TJ Cline

Really even on a two week cycle?

dg806

If you just run a 2 wk cycle of cyp or enan, it won't even have time to kick in beofre you go off. I think all you do in this case is screw up your htpa.

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TJ Cline

You might be right about screwing up you're htpa ( I have no idea what that is?), but I gained 10 lbs and lost fat ( waist shrunk by 3/4 inch) and put 25lbs on my bench press. From what I read at the time 2 weeks wasn't enough time to screw anything up....But who knows maybe it is, I would love to read some research on that.

dg806

From drjmw, elitefitness........
As athletes, we are most concerned with the "PT" part of the HPTA. "P" being the pituitary and "T" being the Testes. To review, our hormonal responses are based mainly on negative feedback. For example, supragenetic levels of Testosterone or any AAS will signal the pituitary to stop secreting LH and will signal the hypothalamus to stop secreting gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GRH). So, during an AAS cycle, we experience low, natural Testos levels, a reduction in testuclar mass, low LH, and low GRH. The goal of PCT (recovery) is to get the HPTA back to normal.

The most important aspect of recovery is getting testicular mass back to normal as quickly as possible. There is only one drug that will do this and do it quickly--HCG. HCG imitates LH (which is suppressed). HCG acts independently of the HPTA suppression and independent of the meds from the AAS cycle. In this situation, the only side effect we need to worry about is the return of estrogen to normal levels (estrogen rebound). Since estrogen is already at very low levels (the athlete used an aromatase inhibitor during his AAS cycle), Nolvadex is sufficient to block the onrush. By the time the athlete is using nolvadex-only, his testes are up to their normal size. And the pituitary begins to release its own LH.

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gococksDJS

what were you running? M1T?

TJ Cline

I did a cycle of test E and Dbol ( 1-10 test, 1-6 Dbol) in 1986, I gained 30 lbs. The next cycle I did was in 1998, 300mg test C for only two weeks I gained 10Ls and lost fat, so maybe 12-14 total muscle gain.

LAM

a single inj of nandrolone at 100 mg/ml will cause full suppression for almost a week and you won’t return to a normal HPTA for at least two weeks.

I can't see why test would be any different in terms of suppression. I have the full abstract in pdf if anybody wants it. just PM me

Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Nandrolone Esters in Oil Vehicle: Effects of Ester, Injection Site and Injection Volume1
The Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics Vol. 281, Issue 1, 93-102, 1997

Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov

TBD

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What you talking about Willis ?

Mudge

How big is the file? I could host it.

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I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

LAM

not even 400 KB

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What you talking about Willis ?

Mudge

I have space in my cyber-rights inbox, then I can host it for anyone who wants to read it.

Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench
Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin
When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu
I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

LAM

it's in the mail Mudge..

Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov

TBD

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What you talking about Willis ?

redspy

I'd be very interested to see that.

gococksDJS

I would also like to see it...